Microsoft is fucking butthurt no one wants Windows 11 so they're stopping the sale of Windows 10 licenses this month

[Pissmaster]

Good lord. Is this really what your average normie expects of a computer nowadays with no effort whatsoever?

I pity them.

can you dial down your planetary-scale ego just one teeny tiny notch please

 

[The Ugly One]

Good lord. Is this really what your average normie expects of a computer nowadays with no effort whatsoever?

This is what every mainstream release of Windows and OSX has been for years.

No wonder they bitch about Mint being "too hard" fuckers want everything literally spoonfed to them. Point 1 confuses me because I can't really imagine people still buy random software on store shelves but fair enough that is a blindspot of mine probably.

Over the last few years, I have bought two GPUs, two keyboards, three mice, five different headsets (3 of them surround), an NVMe drive, a SATA drive, a USB DVD drive, two USB backup drives, and and a bluetooth speaker off the store shelf (or, equivalently, off Newegg based solely on price), and they just worked.

Except the Logitech headset. Don't buy Logitech. It's garbage.

The askings of points 2 and 3 are perfectly reasonable and I agree with. Normie focused distros should never have rolling releases, only stable ones.

Whether it's technically rolling or not, OSX and Windows are frequently updated, and doing this without breaking things requires a lot of testing.

But some of that other stuff... They really want to just surrender to the system. I wouldn't trust half of that info on accounts to be shared online that would autosync like that.

You don't have a smartphone?

 

[Matt Damon]

fuckers want everything literally spoonfed to them.

Do you grow all your own food? Did you assemble your computer monitor from discrete electronic components? Did you cut down the trees and process the timber and assemble the roof trusses in your home?

Why do you get to decide what is an acceptable level of consumer convenience for the rest of the world?

I can't really imagine people still buy random software on store shelves

lol wut

 

[General Emílio Médici]

This is what every mainstream release of Windows and OSX has been for years.



Over the last few years, I have bought two GPUs, two keyboards, three mice, five different headsets (3 of them surround), an NVMe drive, a SATA drive, a USB DVD drive, two USB backup drives, and and a bluetooth speaker off the store shelf (or, equivalently, off Newegg based solely on price), and they just worked.

Except the Logitech headset. Don't buy Logitech. It's garbage.



Windows and OSX are on rolling release models.



You don't have a smartphone?

Oh you meant hardware support mostly not software for point 1. Yeah that is perfectly fine then. Never had a issue with any of my peripherals not working but I also don't swap them much nor have some huge sample size so I yield the point.

A rolling release for MS and Apple are not really the same as a rolling release for Linux. They have much larger teams and the nature of their OSes means they are less likely to do things like, say, accidentally breaking the GUI of the Desktop Enviroment in a release. Also comes with the fact that they are dealing with almost everything on the OS at once unlike with Linux where a rolling release only really deals with the very rock of the OS and things like the file browser and desktop GUI are not being handled by the team. GPL fuckiness like you said.

I absolutely do not have anything more than bare minimum on my phone, and sure as hell don't use that data when having to do work stuff or have it constantly sync with the computer.

Do you grow all your own food? Did you assemble your computer monitor from discrete electronic components? Did you cut down the trees and process the timber and assemble the roof trusses in your home?

Why do you get to decide what is an acceptable level of consumer convenience for the rest of the world?


lol wut

I am getting some real "you claim to dislike the society yet partake in it haha I am very smart" vibes here.

 

[Matt Damon]

I am getting some real "you claim to dislike the society yet partake in it haha I am very smart" vibes here.

No shit. The principle behind your statement would seem to imply everyone ought to do everything for themselves or they're lazy and morally-lacking people who need to be "spoonfed".

So tell me, exactly what makes all those other domains fundamentally different from desktop computer operating systems, except that it's the one YOU personally have an enthusiast interest in?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Absurdly different time, effort and resources.

To compare the time needed to learn basic computer skills on a beginner friendly distro like Mint or Ubuntu to the farming your own food and assembling your own monitor is disingenuous at best and blatantly nonsensical at worst.

 

[The Ugly One]

Do you grow all your own food? Did you assemble your computer monitor from discrete electronic components? Did you cut down the trees and process the timber and assemble the roof trusses in your home?

Why do you get to decide what is an acceptable level of consumer convenience for the rest of the world?


lol wut

It really shows how detached Linux is from the rest of computing that they think "officially supported hardware just works" and "I can use a cloud drive without any fuss" is some outlandish demand, and not the standard for the entire rest of the computing world.

A rolling release for MS and Apple are not really the same as a rolling release for Linux. They have much larger teams and the nature of their OSes means they are less likely to do things like, say, accidentally breaking the GUI of the Desktop Enviroment in a release. Also comes with the fact that they are dealing with almost everything on the OS at once unlike with Linux where a rolling release only really deals with the very rock of the OS and things like the file browser and desktop GUI are not being handled by the team. GPL fuckiness like you said.

Depends on what you mean by "Linux." If you mean a fully GPL operating system (stallman_gnu_linux_rant.txt), then no, it will never work. The reason is that all the stuff you need to be high quality is deep in the hard, boring part of the 80/20 rule, and GPL projects are largely labors of love (i.e. the devs work on things that interest them, and quit if the project is too tedious) whose development organization chart resembles that of an island full of feral cats. This is why every GPL (or LGPL, whatever) Linux distro is a Rube Goldberg jumble of software. For anything based on Linux to directly compete with Apple and Microsoft, it needs to compete at that level of quality without constantly being years behind the tech curve (like RHEL), which is only happening if a large corporation, or consortium, owns the project and replaces rickety old pieces of trash with in-house components and integrates it all with a unified vision.

I absolutely do not have anything more than bare minimum on my phone, and sure as hell don't use that data when having to do work stuff or have it constantly sync with the computer.

Is it an Android phone? Do you have a Google account? Even while offline, if I have two Windows or two OSX computers, I can sync accounts across the WiFi or a Thunderbolt cable, and doing so requires zero IT knowledge. I just find the other computer on the network, tell it to migrate, go get some coffee, and it's done.

 

[Matt Damon]

It really shows how detached Linux is from the rest of computing that they think "officially supported hardware just works" and "I can use a cloud drive without any fuss" is some outlandish demand, and not the standard for the entire rest of the computing world.

"What, you just walk into a Best Buy, purchase some piece of random hardware off the shelf, and expect it to work?"

Linux users are literally beyond parody.

 

[The Ugly One]

"What, you just walk into a Best Buy, purchase some piece of random hardware off the shelf, and expect it to work?"

Linux users are literally beyond parody.

Linux people are like MG owners from back in the day. You know, the asshole who was constantly bragging that he had to spend every weekend fixing his car so he could drive it during the week, and looked down on anyone who expected their car to work as being too lazy and stupid to even deserve to drive a car.

 

[Matt Damon]

Linux people are like MG owners from back in the day. You know, the asshole who was constantly bragging that he had to spend every weekend fixing his car so he could drive it during the week, and looked down on anyone who expected their car to work as being too lazy and stupid to even deserve to drive a car.

"You just want to listen to music and don't play an instrument yourself? Good Lord, is this really what your average normie expects of music nowadays with no effort whatsoever? No wonder they bitch about sheet music being "too hard" fuckers want everything literally spoonfed to them."

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I would say we get upset because it is a case of a apathetic majority ruining computing for us out of laziness and ignorance, as they fuel the MS monopoly and the Windows system and refuse to allow the better solutions a chance to grow. Which is why it is especially infuriating when news like Windows 11 coming out being all sorts of new anti-consumer and anti-tinkering and locked down configurations we fly into absolute tard rage because despite explaining to the normies complaining they can just try and change all that happens is they complain about it for a few weeks ineffectually before giving up and accepting it. Drives a fella mad to see it happen over and over again.

Does that Powerpoint hack work? Is it any good or is it unholy? It kinda sounds fascinating to be honest. I can imagine how some boomer might have come up with such a unusual solution throwing shit together like that.

My friend amigo mon ami perhaps it's a good thing linux for desktop remains at its paltry <2% market share. Despite that there has been a ton of growth since the past decade where most users who don't need any special software to work with some propietary hardware can daily drive linux just fine.

 

[Puff]

>Damn, Linux is great for everything but specialty use cases. Only non-normies need to worried about having things that aren't for web browsing and word processing
>You're too stupid and lazy to make Linux work. You need to be willing to work harder to make it work
There. I've figured out the base contradiction. Linux is for COMPUTER enthusiasts only.
There is no benefit for normies who want only basic shit, but want it to just work.
There's no benefit for enthusiasts of other things that require software support but would be willing to put in the work to make it happen because the software just doesn't exist.
Linux is supported by people who enjoy tinkering with computers and, as such, is missing support for anything but tinkering with computers mostly because the profit motive is missing.

 

[Matt Damon]

There. I've figured out the base contradiction. Linux is for COMPUTER enthusiasts only.

Yeah, it ends up being this tautological/self-perpetuating loop where Linux is the ideal operating system as long as your only hobby in the world is writing code for Linux.

And because they're all actual, literal autists, they can't imagine anyone wanting to do anything besides what they do in exactly the way they do it.

 

[doodoocaca]

Linux is used by businesses all the time. If you put some shit on the internet, it's running on Linux or something adjacent. I'd bet you Null is ooperating Linux right now.

It's also damn near plug and play, at least every time I used it. The only issue I had was the ndiswrapper shit for some wireless cards but it was easy to find instructions to fix that, and that was ages ago.

The reason people don't use it more is games and specific productivity shit that MS or Apple have on lockdown.

 

[A Logging Company]

For people debating the usability of linux by normies, ChromeOS is linux-based, meaning a normie usable linux is not unfeasible. Let's not forget MacOS is a UNIX-like OS originally based on BSD. I will admit though most the "it just werks" linux distros are actually harder to use than something like Debian or Arch, assuming you install an easy to use desktop environment. So for example, I had Xubuntu for awhile because I wanted a "it just werks" on my personal laptop. It wouldn't plug and play with my printer, where as my work laptop I installed Debian on would. Also for some reason, they made it so there wasn't a GUI shutdown button, only a button to logout, when default xfce has it. I have no idea how you fuck up something as simple as reskinning xfce and using Ubuntu as the base. I've heard similar stories about current iterations Manjaro.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

If you care about them at all, just take them to Best Buy and get them a mac is what I'm trying to say here.

That's my general suggestion. People that absolutely destroy Windows machines do wonderfully with a Mac in front of them. This is generally because Macs don't trust their users and try to protect their users from themselves.

 

[Matt Damon]

That my general suggestion. People that absolutely destroy Windows machines do wonderfully with a Mac in front of them. This is generally because Macs don't trust their users and try to protect their users from themselves.

Now that would be interesting. I learned more from fixing all the incredible, impossible ways my grandpa managed to fuck up Windows than I would've in ten lifetimes as a regular user.

 

[Nottafed]

Linux literally puts out baby proofed distros and normies don't wanna even try. You can get Mint going in minutes. There are tutorials that explain it in literally five minutes and you can go back to doing your shit on fagbook and youtube like you did on windows. But that requires you spend a modicum of effort. And they don't want to. It's just too hard to try to read something.

You guys are honestly making Windows users sound like a bunch of niggers. This is straight up what you guys are sounding like when talking about Linux vs. Windows at this point just replace "computers" with Linux:

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15 years, even 10 years ago I would have not been as hard because there were still some issues on Linux, most notably how hard it was to run games which was a massive barrier to people trying to get into it. But today Proton means most games just run straight out of the box, especially if you are talking about older titles which is what someone who is not very good at computers would be running (since I assume that someone shilling the money for a gaming PC would at least try and understand how his expensive hobby works).

I am curious actually. What do you think Linux could even do to possibly entice people out of Windows? What else do you need the penguin to do? The battery issues on laptops was a good pointer, I can see that being a issue that normies would have a issue with so I will give props to that but I am pretty sure most distros have in-build battery regulation tools if they are meant for starter users. What else? Ubuntu and the like come with easy to install applications with nice, "app-store like" GUI guided installations. They have the fucking graphical fidelity. Drivers nowadays all install themselves unless you are running some niche shit (which, again, a normie wouldn't have). WHAT DO YOU WANT MORE YOU WINDOWS BOOTLICKER?

I have a 55inch 4k TV and a AMD 6700XT to power it. Looks like KDE Neon has the latest fixes for 4k. Lets give it a try!
Boot into x11 - cant read anything, its all super tiny, lets increase the scaling to 250%
Hey thats better... but wait, it only works on some apps and some stuff is still janky?
How about Wayland instead?
well, this scaling is working but a bit blurry .... I guess I can live with it.
Oh... now I can't play games without the Display Manager crashing.
I guess I will compromise by selecting a different resolution in X11.... why isnt 2k available?

To get my screen looking readable but also not like its coated in vasoline, I had to go into Xsetup down in the depths of my usr folder and add:
xrandr --newmode "2560x1440P" 312.25 2560 2752 3024 3488 1440 1443 1448 1493 -hsync +vsync
xrandr --addmode HDMI-A-0 "2560x1440P"
xrandr -s 2560x1440P

Well it looks good now
Oh, KDE needs an update and it wiped out the xrandr settings? So glad I saved them all into a text file (this time!)

That's just to get decent screen resolution on a now common type of TV/Monitor so using the computer isnt an annoying obnoxious headache.
And thats running the LATEST and GREATEST that KDE has to offer... I wont get into Gnome here, this is already long enough.

Linux is in no way ready for your standard user when you still have to do shit like this.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

Now that would be interesting. I learned more from fixing all the incredible, impossible ways my grandpa managed to fuck up Windows than I would've in ten lifetimes as a regular user.

Yep, my father decimated his Windows machine for the 90th time in just a few months, so I said "Fuck it" and turned it into a Hackintosh. I put one icon in the center of his desktop that said "Internet" (it was just an alias for Chrome) and hid everything else. He managed to use it for years without destroying it. It was a revelation. From that point forward whenever anyone asked me for a recommendation for a computer my first question was "On a scale or 1-10, how computer retarded are they?" any score above a 6 automatically got the response of "A Mac".

 

[seri0us]

@Matt Damon When's the last time someone in this thread actually acknowledged that you and many others aren't "Joe Normie" and have special yet not outlandish use-cases where until Linux is actually compatible with it, it doesn't matter if FOSS devs would be happy to have you running their stuff or not? Never?