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Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States
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PipTheAlchemist
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Sandshrew/Sandslash are based more off non-rodent mammals such as armadillos and pangolins
Cyndaquil is clearly based off a hedgehog, and eventuallyu evolves into a honey badger
Dedenne is based off the French tooth fairy, which is a tooth rat
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The electric mouse pikachu ripoffs shouldn't have been made either, but they are purposeful cash-ins, not careless unoriginalness.
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this is like saying Cacturne is just a scarecrow and can't be a cactus because its classification is "The Scarecrow Pokemon"
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It also takes the English dex as gospel over the Japanese one.
PipTheAlchemist
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Drayano hacks are pretty solid, if you're looking for something mostly vanilla but with better Pokemon variety and buffs to some of said weaker Pokemon
As for hacks featuring new and original regions, I'd recommend Vega Minus and Unbound
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These are monsters, man. Sure we know what they're based on by just looking at them (most of the time anyway), but that's not exactly what they are. Cacturne, for example, a fusion between a scarecrow and a cactus.
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Then why are you arguing that a pangolin-shrew and a hedgehog are a mouse based on their real-world-animal classifications?
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Okay, the arguement went off the rails for a bit there, but the point is: the number rodents (especially mice) pokemon far outweigh the number of pig and boar Pokemon in the game. Especically for the pika-clones, because despite the rodent family being diverse, the theme is still "electric-type rodent" or "normal-type baby's first pokemon".
Look at the pig and boar Pokemon: we got the fire/fighting Emboar, Ice/ground Pig/Mammoth hybrid Mammoswine, the psychic pig Grumpig and the normal type Oinkologne. The only thematic redundancy so far is Emboar seeing as Primape already existed, but at least he was fire-type Starter.
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Also, dexit isn't my only gripe, as mentioned before it's the laziness of the animations, and even more, it's the abandoning of gimmicks at random. I will fucking die mad that megas didn't make it past let's go pikachu and eevee, which proves they're retarded in saying it's too difficult to implement because they did it even in that game. Yeah, sure. Only the OG pokemon were in it but it still had the functionality at all.
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Tepig, Swinub and Lechonk look too similar to ne, they fill the same roll and are the same animal, a waste.
edit: Also I gate Lechonk's name not because of le epic maymay but because its going to make no sense after this generation (same as Greninja, who should have just kept its Japanese name.)
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mrs thickness
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oh man you just awoke some autism
It's more roguelite than conventional pokemon adventure, but Emerald Rogue is incredible as a tightly designed pick-up-and-play pokemon experience that doesn't get bogged down by things I've come to greatly resent in most other rom hacks. Using a pokeball and running from battle are just as simple as pressing a button, you aren't asked if you're really REALLY sure you want to heal your pokemon (unless you're being charged for it), the game's battle engine speeds up for all non-major encounters, there's hard level caps which the game lets you hit instantly so there's no hours upon hours of running back and forth in a patch of grass mashing the a button, and there's no stupid cringey fanfiction being shoved in your face and interrupting the gameplay. Abilities, natures, movesets, even IVs and EVs are all convenient to get the way you want them, and the game (at least the non-autistic challenges) isn't designed around minmaxing that shit. It just lets you easily switch your machop to +atk -satk instead of the opposite and lets paras actually have access decent bug move before, like, level 32. It rocks.
What's really amazing about it though is just how modular and customizable it is. Any pokemon you catch during a run permanently becomes an option for a starter, including legendaries and any shinies you catch, which are now 1/100. It has, if I'm remembering right, all the pokemon in it up to gen 8, as well as z-moves, mega evolution, all that shit, in a gba rom less than 33 MB. You know, things that are too much to expect from any developer, let alone Game Freak, which is why they have to make up lies for cutting pokemon like making new models for old pokemon only for them to be the exact same models as on 3DS. Gamefreak isn't lazy at all. Anyway, I said modular earlier and that's because if you're like me and would rather not use things like megas or think about gen 8 in general, you can just turn that shit off while making every battle a double battle like the Orre games, if you want. I wanted to hate it at first too, because the tranny that made it inserts a character to explain game mechanics, but then promptly fucks off to the config lab building for the rest of the game where they might be the only characters that doesn't change a setting when spoken to. It's probably the most tasteful self insert I've seen in a rom hack, which is fun and polished enough that I simply cannot pretend to be annoyed by it. Easily one of the best things I played last year.
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Japanese players have found a new bug, one that allows you to reach space by making ssandwiches:
www.nintendolife.com
lol
Random: Pokémon Scarlet & Violet Players Reach Outer Space By Making Sandwiches
Can we get some Space Raiders with that?
www.nintendolife.com
lol
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Ah, we're back to dexit, are we?
I'll just touch on the pig point, because that's a mildly interesting new one. The fact that as presented it can be very easily interpreted as a case for dexit rather than against it I'll let slide, because I disagree with that presentation. Each of the pigs has a different origin, to the point that none of the true pigs share a single type.
- Swinub is based on wild boar, with a bit of various other woolly creatures up to and including Mammoths.
- Spoink is just wildly different from all the rest, but it might take it's origins from the biblical phrase "to cast pearls before swine". I don't think I need to make a case that spoink is unique enough to be included, because just look at it. But it does have some references to a truffle pig.
- The starters of Unova are each based on different empires, and the sumo wrestler Emboar is based on China. He draws from the Zhu Baijie, a pig demon from Chinese mythology.
- Lechonk's line draws from spanish pig breeds, and the surprising fact that pigs are actually very clean creatures. It's the most straightforward of the pigs, but having a spanish pig line in spain is hardly unreasonable.
- You could include Munna and Musharna, but those are better described as Tapirs, and more specifically Baku, which aren't really pig-related at all. They're better seen as, like many Gen 5 Pokemon, an Unovan counterpart of a gen 1 Pokémon, in this case the Drowzee line.
Usually, when you get down to a well-populated genus level in Pokémon, you get at least some type overlap. That they are so different without type overlap is somewhat commendable in itself.
I feel like this is less pigs unfairly taking up a massive chunk of the dex, and more people underestimating the number of different ways that pigs are represented around the world. Sure, a lot of them look similar as piglets, but none of the pigs actually look that similar fully evolved, being a conventional if very fancy pig, a wild boar/mammoth hybrid, a small pearled biped, and a bulky sumo wrestler. they all have different origins. They also pale in scale to cats and dogs - and like those two, use the reasoning of different breeds and roles to differentiate them all.
As for dexit, I'm gonna make the same points as I have in the past. Which frustratingly Courgi has completely failed to mention. Even though I think the arguments originally given are a load of tripe, the actual results aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
- Game Freak doesn't have to be beholden to all literally a thousand Pokémon that came over the last twenty-seven years before when designing new items and mechanics. A classic example is Tera-Electric, Air Balloon Shedinja - They don't have to make seasonal mechanics like tera work around weirdoes that could exploit them too easily.
- In addition, the shifting roster allows more Pokémon time to shine in competitive. Pokémon that'd be bullied out of taking a spot have a better chance of finding a niche if there's less alts to compete with for the spots.
- The big fear of Pokémon getting trapped in Home forever isn't bearing out in practice. The rosters in Gen 8 and 9 have overlap, but enough unique ones on either side that most Pokémon have gotten at least some chance to shine in a mainline game on switch. According to @Nick Gars in this very thread, the only ones who haven't appeared yet are Spinda, Furfrou, and Gen 5 Pokemon who are likely to appear in the inevitable Gen 5 remake games.
- The rule is literally something only Pokémon did regularly. Mon and mon-related games with far smaller total rosters chickened out far faster than Pokémon did, if they ever tried to keep to that rule at all. And they certainly never allow you to keep and transfer your Pokémon across games.
- People complaining about animation quality and variety don't acknowledge that Pokémon does things in the animation department that literally no other series does - most of which could be argued as stupid, or at least inefficient. See a previous post for more details. They don't do recolours in the traditional sense - even regional variants and fakes have their own models and animations. And likewise, they avoid the Agi-Agilao-Agidyne rule of just making the exact same moves but stronger.
People say that to be a good mon game, they should animate all the punch moves as punches and all the kick moves as kicks, without acknowledging that the games they're comparing to don't have that problem because they don't have the move variety to separate that stuff from each other.
I'll just touch on the pig point, because that's a mildly interesting new one. The fact that as presented it can be very easily interpreted as a case for dexit rather than against it I'll let slide, because I disagree with that presentation. Each of the pigs has a different origin, to the point that none of the true pigs share a single type.
- Swinub is based on wild boar, with a bit of various other woolly creatures up to and including Mammoths.
- Spoink is just wildly different from all the rest, but it might take it's origins from the biblical phrase "to cast pearls before swine". I don't think I need to make a case that spoink is unique enough to be included, because just look at it. But it does have some references to a truffle pig.
- The starters of Unova are each based on different empires, and the sumo wrestler Emboar is based on China. He draws from the Zhu Baijie, a pig demon from Chinese mythology.
- Lechonk's line draws from spanish pig breeds, and the surprising fact that pigs are actually very clean creatures. It's the most straightforward of the pigs, but having a spanish pig line in spain is hardly unreasonable.
- You could include Munna and Musharna, but those are better described as Tapirs, and more specifically Baku, which aren't really pig-related at all. They're better seen as, like many Gen 5 Pokemon, an Unovan counterpart of a gen 1 Pokémon, in this case the Drowzee line.
Usually, when you get down to a well-populated genus level in Pokémon, you get at least some type overlap. That they are so different without type overlap is somewhat commendable in itself.
I feel like this is less pigs unfairly taking up a massive chunk of the dex, and more people underestimating the number of different ways that pigs are represented around the world. Sure, a lot of them look similar as piglets, but none of the pigs actually look that similar fully evolved, being a conventional if very fancy pig, a wild boar/mammoth hybrid, a small pearled biped, and a bulky sumo wrestler. they all have different origins. They also pale in scale to cats and dogs - and like those two, use the reasoning of different breeds and roles to differentiate them all.
As for dexit, I'm gonna make the same points as I have in the past. Which frustratingly Courgi has completely failed to mention. Even though I think the arguments originally given are a load of tripe, the actual results aren't as bad as people make them out to be.
- Game Freak doesn't have to be beholden to all literally a thousand Pokémon that came over the last twenty-seven years before when designing new items and mechanics. A classic example is Tera-Electric, Air Balloon Shedinja - They don't have to make seasonal mechanics like tera work around weirdoes that could exploit them too easily.
- In addition, the shifting roster allows more Pokémon time to shine in competitive. Pokémon that'd be bullied out of taking a spot have a better chance of finding a niche if there's less alts to compete with for the spots.
- The big fear of Pokémon getting trapped in Home forever isn't bearing out in practice. The rosters in Gen 8 and 9 have overlap, but enough unique ones on either side that most Pokémon have gotten at least some chance to shine in a mainline game on switch. According to @Nick Gars in this very thread, the only ones who haven't appeared yet are Spinda, Furfrou, and Gen 5 Pokemon who are likely to appear in the inevitable Gen 5 remake games.
- The rule is literally something only Pokémon did regularly. Mon and mon-related games with far smaller total rosters chickened out far faster than Pokémon did, if they ever tried to keep to that rule at all. And they certainly never allow you to keep and transfer your Pokémon across games.
- People complaining about animation quality and variety don't acknowledge that Pokémon does things in the animation department that literally no other series does - most of which could be argued as stupid, or at least inefficient. See a previous post for more details. They don't do recolours in the traditional sense - even regional variants and fakes have their own models and animations. And likewise, they avoid the Agi-Agilao-Agidyne rule of just making the exact same moves but stronger.
People say that to be a good mon game, they should animate all the punch moves as punches and all the kick moves as kicks, without acknowledging that the games they're comparing to don't have that problem because they don't have the move variety to separate that stuff from each other.
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There are actually some pretty decent fangames out there:
There's Pokemon Sage. It's a pretty solid fakemon game with some well design Fakemon, imo. Although, it's only playable through a demo and I'm almost certain this game is no longer being worked on considering the demo was released way back in 2017.
Pokemon Phoenix Rising. Quite possibly the prettiest Pokemon fangame I've ever seen and it's all done entirely within RPG Maker. I would definitely recommend trying it out. Although, much like Sage I'm not sure if is still being worked on as it has been a hot minutes since the demo was released (apparently it still is according to some people that are within the discord server).
Pokemon Infinite Fusion. While it's not nearly as pretty (or as polished) as the last two I mentioned, I'd say this fangame makes up for it by going the whole nine yards with the concept of fusing two Pokemon together. It has all of the pokemon from gens 1 and 2 along with a handful of mons from gens 3-7, so there's plenty of options when it comes to mix and matching your ultimate fighting machine.
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I already made a list here:
I also would like to add a few more that I saw, though not necessarily tried.
The following are finished:
- I myself had played Pokémon Red Star, which I consider the definitive way of playin Gen 1 games.
- I also enjoy Pokémon Throwback. Be forewarned: the Sevii sidequest is pushed to after you bea the Champion.
- Pokémon Black and White 3 is a demake and sequel of the Gen 5 games.
- I also read good things about Pokémon Emerald Rouge.
- One day, I wan to try Pokémon Redcurrant & Blueberry, which beef up all of the moves.
- I also wan to try Pokémon Red++.
- The Shin series is a vanilla improvement patch series.
- If you want something outside the mainline series, try the Pokémon Trading Card Game DX.
- A high-quality GBC hack is Pokémon Coral.
- Another hack that got good praise is the Pokémon Crown, which turns Pokémon into a RTS et in a medieval fantasy.
- On the same vein, Pokémon Odyssey turns Pokémon into a dungeon-hunting ame set in Made in Abyss.
- Pokémon ROWE seems to be an in-progress 3rd Gen version of ShockSlayer's Pokémon Crystal Clear.
- I do not wan to end this without mentioning Pokémon CosmicEmerald.
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unfinished and the dev team is a mess
unfinished and the dev team is a mess
crashes my computer and takes up way too much fucking space to be playable
your argument has been defeated via pure facts and logic
rom hacks > fangames
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Sounds like a skill issue to me. I did say it wasn't as polished as the other two, didn't I?
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mate "not as polished" doesn't equate to "1.4 gigs when fully compressed and unoptimized enough to crash a computer during regular gameplay"
It made my PC with hundreds of gigs free chug and crashed after I tried to make my first fusion right at the first (non-starting) town
That's not "not as polished", that's unplayable