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You left out a really popular item-purchasing website's head dev was caught grooming. The site still works but it fell off in popularity so much that development on it stopped & rivals found a niche to compete.
Eh, are you sure that scrap.tf has much rivals? Like, them and backpack.tf and marketplace.tf are owned by the same guy, and that's probably where most of the trading happens nowadays. Outpost closed long ago, Bazaar is basically dead, and there's a few other sites like stntrading, but they're fairly niche. Though I agree that scrap stopped adding new features a long time ago, but I suppose it doesn't really need new ones.
 
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I could write an entire forum post on this question so I decided to just do that. I'm putting it here because it might be useful to people who don't click on my profile & are autistic enough to buy virtual hats. Bear in mind the trading scene has shifted in the past so don't hold these recommendations as solid advice forever. @Ed Special

The answer to this question depends on what you want.
Big sprawling chink sites (gamerall, g2g, etc.) that you find on Google are always overpriced so don't bother.

The same is true of sites that focus more on CS:GO (Skinport, Bitskins, anything ending in fucking .gg) because they don't have a clue about TF2 nor care to. If you buy here & end up paying $8 for a description tag don't say you weren't warned.


Marketplace.tf requires more invasive verification than immigrating to a new country. Geel has repeated that he sees nothing wrong with hoarding scans of your legal ID & sending a verification post card to your literal home address (don't even try to use a PO box or post office, they will ban you forever) before allowing you to spend money on his overpriced website developed by a kiddie rapist. I can't verify but I've been told they make you take a selfie with your driver's license now & demand a utility bill. Selling anything is even more stringent but that's not what the question was. For obvious reasons you should not give your real world name/address to a Reddit leftist. Ignore this website & kill people who recommend it.

Backpack.tf isn't useful for anything except price-manipulatingchecking (extremely subjective so even that's debatable) or using their kikepass backpack crawler to shark users out of freshly unboxed unusuals around update time. Traders do use this website to advertise but if they are on Backpack at all they're probably giga-autists who will cling to the site's price recommendations as though it were the Holy Bible. Some faggot will claim their hat is worth 90 keys (probably based off nothing) & by god that hat will not move for months or years until that exact amount is offered. Non- Less-autistic traders will throw their shit onto a third-party site for a specific USD price & forget about it or hang out in actual trade servers.

(Before you ask trade servers are generally just autists chatting & showing off. I won't say it's impossible to find good trades on them but don't bet on it.)


The backpack.tf forums on the other hand can be useful despite overlap with the above userbase & it obviously being ran by the same people. This is largely due to the fact that it's barely moderated. You can find people actually willing to negotiate here & find oddities like merchandise codes or tricks to gain "retired" promo items. Team Fortress 2 Trades is the only part of the forum worth using. Actually using this forum doesn't give any money to Geel nor Jessie & the user base got pissed off when they heard Jessie is a pedophile so I can almost recommend using it.

DMarket will often have items that appear cheaper than anywhere else & in many cases actually are but this isn't entirely honest as their purchase fees are pretty high for most options. Selling fees are generally lower (some are even 0%) than anywhere else & they have enough inventory to make people actually use their site. Unfortunately they don't offer 1 cent weapons. I wouldn't recommend buying here but it's not the worst & it's not a bad place to cash out. Also their method of "verification" was messaging me on Steam so they could ask me over voice if I'm Chinese. Lmfao

Mannco.store (this is not the in-game store) has proven to be a good option for a few years. The prices are competitive & the selection has grown as more people have started to trust it as a valid alternative. It's generally easy to buy things here. I've been able to use a "privacy" debit card without issue but there's also support for Paypal & effectively anonymous gift cards. The fee for payouts on items bought/sold hovers at about 2% (less than the 4% Geel's shithole took) unless you use Payoneer which demands much more. If you're a new player it's possible to get every weapon in the game here for $1.60. Meanwhile marketplace.tf charges 2 cents per weapon. Holy fuck I hate Geel. Anyway this is probably the single easiest option for buying & selling altogether.

Steam's own marketplace can be good if you understand how to use it. Example: you will notice Mann Co. Supply Crate Keys sell for $2.30 which is laughably more than you will pay anywhere else. However if there is an item you actually want on the Steam marketplace & that item's for-sale price is competitive with other websites listed here you can buy those cheaper keys, sell them on Steam (Russian money launderers totally legitimate users are always buying these overpriced keys to launder their sharked items), buy your item & end up with excess Steambux to spend on other items (which you may then trade/sell later to make a profit.) People don't like sitting & negotiating trades, they are impatient. This is why Steam's market can be a good place to buy your hats & do general trading. Steam in general is also the place where most people do their PC gaming so you can use your excess hat profits to buy real video games.
 
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The obvious solution to this problem would be to ban Linux users from joining TF2 servers. Anyone who games on Linux is a fucking retard, anyway. Linux is not for gaming, Windows is
As much as I'm not crazy 'bout Linux, Valve will never ban it because they're now selling hardware that uses a custom distro of Linux.
 
I swear Jerma is the ONLY normal person in all of TF2 content creation, who rightfully moved the fuck on to greener pastures as the game died.
Uncle Dane maybe somewhat normal too, haven't heard much about him being a degen.
STAR_ of course, flamed out years ago, which is fine imho.
That just reminds me of the spat ster tried throwing against Dane because the latter made a joke towards the former (not subtle at all) about how the Gunslinger is only called OP by people who don't understand class balancing and don't know how to fight it immediately. That, and the many times ster tried to gas light his own fanbase to believe the former fans were the ones who made him like this and unironically said that "hovering over the upload button on youtube gave me PTSD" right before saying "I don't mean to make fun of people who actually have this, but-"

I don't think ster should be given credit, even towards having a wife who he left out in freezing boston rain because he didn't want to stop playing Overwatch.
 
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As much as I'm not crazy 'bout Linux, Valve will never ban it because they're now selling hardware that uses a custom distro of Linux.
Not only do I have a Tux, I actually got it legitimately, too.
Remember when they were supposed to be the new Earbuds, and then somebody found out how to spoof steam into giving you one without using Linux because Valve was lazy and then they made them untradeable?

Yeah, I member (I have 6 alts with tuxs, lul).
 
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Uncle Dane maybe somewhat normal too, haven't heard much about him being a degen.
I've heard rumours that Uncle Dane was cucked by another Youtuber, but I don't have any screenshots to hand. Maybe someone else here has heard about it?
 
I swear Jerma is the ONLY normal person in all of TF2 content creation, who rightfully moved the fuck on to greener pastures as the game died.
Jerma's fanbase is almost entirely trannies who spent over a year getting him to do a "catboy jerma" stream with him in a skirt, and he did it.
He also played that horrible Arkham game with Hasan.

He moved on from TF2 but it's not a good direction.
 
Vorobey after like 4 months uploaded a new giving a autistic in depth breakdown on Venusian Rapper
Link Vorobey provided for a mirror if it goes down but you guys should be download videos like this anyway
Youtube drama videos are like the ugly retarded child of modern day yellow journalism and those ads featuring celebrity endorsement of products. Even when the person they're criticizing actually deserves you can bet the uploader scrupped them clean of anything negative about "their side" and chose to dramatize everything for views.

What concrete documentation is there of either party doing lolcow things?
 
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Youtube drama videos are like the ugly retarded child of modern day yellow journalism and those ads featuring celebrity endorsement of products. Even when the person they're criticizing actually deserves you can bet the uploader scrupped them clean of anything negative about "their side" and chose to dramatize everything for views.

What concrete documentation is there of either party doing lolcow things?
Most of these drama baits are just bitching and moaning about a YouTuber saying tranny or nigger on a discord server.
To them this is the biggest crime anyone can ever do even if there's no grooming accusations.
 
Youtube drama videos are like the ugly retarded child of modern day yellow journalism and those ads featuring celebrity endorsement of products. Even when the person they're criticizing actually deserves you can bet the uploader scrupped them clean of anything negative about "their side" and chose to dramatize everything for views.

What concrete documentation is there of either party doing lolcow things?
Pretty Much, VenusianRapper seems to be a generic TF2 edgelord. The funniest things about him are the rap videos and him raging at other TF2 players.
 
2. ThatGuyTagg, a high-level player and gay, black furry, had a public meltdown on stream and ragequit the scene because his friends jokingly called him the N word.
Niggers being absolute fun ruiners as usual. "Look, this guy said this word. This one made a joke. That one over there laughed. While I'm BLACK. I am BLACK and I EXIST. I'm BLACK and people LAUGH." Just cease to exist, please.
8. Valve's foray into working with the community on an official update predictably turned into a shitshow.
There will be one this summer however.
 
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I've heard rumours that Uncle Dane was cucked by another Youtuber, but I don't have any screenshots to hand. Maybe someone else here has heard about it?
Mumkey made an entire documentary on it years ago. Actually a pretty good vid. Timestamped to where it starts talking about Dane.

In college he used to be a part of a group called "The Stupid Mario Brothers" who did these 2007 era skits. Rich Alvarez the overweight spic leader of the group stole his girlfriend and then everyone in that group stopped talking to him. Dane ended up finding success pretending that engineer was a deep and interesting class whereas Rich Alvarez has tried to keep the 2007 era skits alive with diminishing results every single time.
 
Vorobey after like 4 months uploaded a new giving a autistic in depth breakdown on Venusian Rapper
Link Vorobey provided for a mirror if it goes down but you guys should be download videos like this anyway
Honestly, I'm not surprised how much autism like this surrounds TF2. I forgot who covered it but I remembered some TF2 youtuber interviewed one of the people who programmed one of many of the infamous bot armies that were REALLY out of control a year or two ago (I play the game a lot less often now but from playing very recently they're virtually gone/rare) and the people responsible for creating these bot armies or even paying to have these bots invade servers are some of the most autistic, childish, petty, and retarded reasons I've ever seen. In fact, a lot of deep dives into tf2 hackers, bot invaders, etc. give off the same copium le epic troll energy as Venusian Rapper.

I don't know what Vorobey was smoking saying TF2 was becoming less of an accepting game because my first experience with the game back in '09 or '10 was being called a retarded faggot for playing like shit which in turn made the game my favorite because that hostility was perfect with the chaotic energy of the game.
 
Most of these drama baits are just bitching and moaning about a YouTuber saying tranny or nigger on a discord server.
To them this is the biggest crime anyone can ever do even if there's no grooming accusations.

Pretty Much, VenusianRapper seems to be a generic TF2 edgelord. The funniest things about him are the rap videos and him raging at other TF2 players.

So what DO we have? The og post about the video had a lot of "so and so did so and so" bullet points without much backup.

As an on and off lurker for years I fucking miss people actually archiving shit.
 
So what DO we have? The og post about the video had a lot of "so and so did so and so" bullet points without much backup.

As an on and off lurker for years I fucking miss people actually archiving shit.
I mean Vorobey, the video creator, not the Troll he accuses of wrongdoing, archived, in his video, messages from his discord server which feature a underaged user talking about his his penis showing through the pants he was wearing under his skirt during school (Tranny?).
https://youtu.be/1LSVuLX-c74?t=490
(Time stamp for when Vorobey shows the discord messages I mention)

Doesn't mean that his accusations against the Troll are wrong thou.
 
So what DO we have? The og post about the video had a lot of "so and so did so and so" bullet points without much backup.

As an on and off lurker for years I fucking miss people actually archiving shit.
The video's right there with images and everything? There's even a local archive. The bullet points list was a TL;DW.
 
Vorobey after like 4 months uploaded a new giving a autistic in depth breakdown on Venusian Rapper
Link Vorobey provided for a mirror if it goes down but you guys should be download videos like this anyway
I think the fact that he felt that Vorobey's fatmagic video was going to be about him instead of FM, shows how much of a nut he is and the ego he has. I don't even know why he would be afraid considering he has lapdog followers that'll defend him to hell and back.
 
Steam's own marketplace can be good if you understand how to use it
Just to add a little to this, the community market usually favors the seller, as most people who list items just add VALvE's 3% commission to the total price making the buyer eat the fee. However if the item you want to sell is cheap (which also usually means common), the price will be destroyed by people constantly undercutting until the item is worth 3 cents (2 of those being VALvE's after transaction).

The market can be a bit of a scam sometimes but I also basically got my steam deck for free dumping all my australiums on there so it's pretty cool imo. Thanks GabeN.
 
I've heard rumours that Uncle Dane was cucked by another Youtuber, but I don't have any screenshots to hand. Maybe someone else here has heard about it?
if I recall correctly, Dane was involved with Stupid Mario Bros., and Mumkey Jones did an interview and documentary on the series since it was one of the oldest series on YouTube, and Dane played Ash/Red in the series, and he left because of a girl (i forget what it was but apparently it was someone he was close with but not in a relationshipt, just really good friends) slowly latching onto one of the other guys and being the yes man for him over Dane. The other party's response was simply "creative differences" which isn't a lie but it's honestly funny how Dane would rather spill all the beans about how a friendship nearly ended over him slowly being pushed away.
 
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