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I assume Bovington just wants to leave that to the cheiftan's into the hatch videos when he visits.
Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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You want to try and convince David Fletcher to crawl inside a tank, be my guest. I'd rather not be mauled by a fat and grumpy manul disguised as a human.
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Not this hangar, apparently.
Uranus Pink
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Fletcher is a grumpy manul with a smaller manul on his face to use as a flavor saver.
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Huh?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Pacific
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraguayan_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chincha_Islands_War
Shit was lighting off like crazy in the late 1800's down there since everyone had finally stabilized enough to point their guns at everyone else instead of their own people.
Fire suppression systems can be sabotaged... or just sold on the black market for vodka money.
And now, news updates:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/07/u-s-military-air-to-air-missiles-ukrainian-migs-00085877
https://archive.md/GfISH
Time to see just how good the AMRAAM really is. I don't think its had any serious real-world testing aside from Desert Storm.
https://www.reuters.com/world/seoul...orean-parts-ukraine-official-says-2023-03-08/
https://archive.md/1F8Re
The ever growing list of people who see no problem with Russia's face getting pushed in continues to impress me.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=49913db65cbf4f82cd2e9e646478d62a&ei=105
https://archive.md/kSvKc
Makes sense, IMO. The bomblets are explicitly designed to be airdropped, and the usual concerns about cluster munitions scattering UXO everywhere are obviously negated given the intended deployment.
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1634202147083395075
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1633884553294270464
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1633861822884511744
If uploaded screengrabs don't count as archives, let me know and I'll edit in full archive links.
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About that Orban piece of news...
I think he knows quite well what he's doing and why.
Over the last year there has been a steep intensifying of Szekely demands for autonomy, including repeated protests and letters written to the president and other politicians, internal and external, one of them this week... with speeches from Basque and Catalonian politicians too. All that was missing was somebody from Kosovo.
All that newly found care for the fate of minorities (i.e. Hungarians) in Ukraine, all the tacit support for Donbass separatism, they're for a rather transparent reason.
Even the methods are similar - football team in Romanian championship, Fidesz sponsored. Ethnic Hungarians in Romania, given right to vote in Hungary and passports. Multiple projects and financing from Fidesz. Local ethnic party without any political platform other than "representing Magyars in Romania" - leadership bound to Fidesz, won't criticize Orban even when he goes full Great Hungary.
A Russian win would legitimize a desire to redraw borders where they are imperfectly matching ethnicity, i.e. the periphery of Hungary which was stripped from it after its bad wartime choices last century.
TL;DR Orban plays the exact same game in Romania as Putin played in Ukraine, but he simply lacks the military might to do anything, not to mention NATO and EU existing. However... if Russia wins and NATO and EU are humiliated, Putin won't forget who sided with him...
I think he knows quite well what he's doing and why.
Over the last year there has been a steep intensifying of Szekely demands for autonomy, including repeated protests and letters written to the president and other politicians, internal and external, one of them this week... with speeches from Basque and Catalonian politicians too. All that was missing was somebody from Kosovo.
All that newly found care for the fate of minorities (i.e. Hungarians) in Ukraine, all the tacit support for Donbass separatism, they're for a rather transparent reason.
Even the methods are similar - football team in Romanian championship, Fidesz sponsored. Ethnic Hungarians in Romania, given right to vote in Hungary and passports. Multiple projects and financing from Fidesz. Local ethnic party without any political platform other than "representing Magyars in Romania" - leadership bound to Fidesz, won't criticize Orban even when he goes full Great Hungary.
A Russian win would legitimize a desire to redraw borders where they are imperfectly matching ethnicity, i.e. the periphery of Hungary which was stripped from it after its bad wartime choices last century.
TL;DR Orban plays the exact same game in Romania as Putin played in Ukraine, but he simply lacks the military might to do anything, not to mention NATO and EU existing. However... if Russia wins and NATO and EU are humiliated, Putin won't forget who sided with him...
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No one ever cared about Russia's face getting pushed in. I believe you mean "The number of counties who don't give a shit about Putin's bluster given the daily demonstrations that he's got the 3rd best army in Ukraine" is growing.
Imagine shitting your pants on the world stage so bad, a country 1/3 your size and nearly boarding you doesn't give a fuck about your saber rattling. When Afghanistan was shown to be the failure everyone knew it was, all it did was made Taiwan a bit nervous.
hmmm. Afghan pullout causes Putin to think he can get away with Adventurism in Ukraine, gets clowned on by nation 1/4, Russia military and arms now considered global joke; was Biden playing 12D chess this whole time?
The numbers are bush league though, and no governments actually got toppled, the most that happened was Bufferzones getting created.
From 1850* to 1950 it was statistically safer to live in Latin American than Europe
*Stats from before ~1850 are incomplete
I just pegged it as "Orban senses weakness, wants to squeeze Russia's balls for more concessions"
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Putin and just about everybody else in the world was banking on Biden being Obama's third term and. Since the mike slip of Obama telling Medvedev: "After the Election, I'll Have More Flexibility" in 2012 which was the go ahead for the 2014 invasion.
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The Paraguayan War nearly wiped out the nation's population (69% of Paraguay's population was killed, with 90% of the casualties being adult males; the male population crashed so bad, the Church briefly okayed polygamy to help it recover). The government was toppled and replaced with a Brazil friendly one, and Paraguay lost a good chunk of its territory. Its probably the most destructive war in modern times, in terms of the shear amount of damage it did to a nation state.
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I'm a firm believer that Viktor orban is playing both sides with this conflict. I've noticed Hungarians have been rather quiet recently. If Putin wins in Ukraine Hungary gets nearly free natural gas. Not to mention the map becomes free for those who want to draw borders.
If Russia loses in Ukraine and orbans isolated he can at least argue I wanted to remain neutral like the Swiss. Which would upset some in Europe but less likely to face a coup d'etat or a regime change via suspicious election results/mass protest.
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Giving them cluster munitions to keep their drones working is probably one of the most cost-effective things we can do, and in the end would be responsible for a fuckton more dead Russians than Javelin or HIMARS. Although I'd wager ATGMs & RPGs probably account for the most Russians killed, up until the drones & artillery got up to speed & the lines became fairly static.
They've been cannibalizing their old stockpiles Russian air-dropped cluster munitions for that reason from the very start; most of it was meant to be dispensed from Ukrainian rotary-wing aircraft... which is ideally done prior to an attack anyways, but would probably be a near-suicidal mission during the initial invasion. Evidently it took Ukraine roughly a year to burn up those stockpiles with drones, which is a fucking lot of bomblets dropped on Russians; except individually, instead by the dozens (or hundreds) per bombing run.
Giving them cluster munitions to keep their drones working is probably one of the most cost-effective things we can do, and in the end would be responsible for a fuckton more dead Russians than Javelin or HIMARS. Although I'd wager ATGMs & RPGs probably account for the most Russians killed, up until the drones & artillery got up to speed & the lines became fairly static.
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I saw some interesting videos from the Russia Ukraine war.
In this one a BMP-1 gets hit by an ATGM. It's an older IFV. I the think the Soviets started using them in the 60's. It's the IFV that made the US develop the M2 Bradley.
Someone or some people snuck onto a Russian air base near Vladivostok and set fire to an SU-27. Supposedly it was done by Russian's that are partisans and pro Ukraine.
I watched this video about the war in Ukraine earlier. It brings up a lot of good points. Especially the one about the soldiers around Putin not being allowed to have guns. If it's true that's pretty big news. Putin is afraid he might get fragged. But I also started thinking about it myself. Vatniggers usually like to bring up Vietnam Afghanistan and Iraq as examples of US military losses. But there seems to be one thing they seem to leave out. The war in Ukraine is a conventional conflict. The Russians are fighting a conventional war against a conventional enemy. The Ukrainians are wearing uniforms. This is not an unconventional guerilla war fought by insurgents. Vietnam Afghanistan and Iraq were guerilla wars with an insurgency. Russia should be winning this war or at least doing better than they are. I know, Ukraine is using a hybrid style of warfare that mixes an unconventional insurgent style with conventional warfare. But Russia failing like this in a war they should be capable of fighting is just really bad.
In this one a BMP-1 gets hit by an ATGM. It's an older IFV. I the think the Soviets started using them in the 60's. It's the IFV that made the US develop the M2 Bradley.
Someone or some people snuck onto a Russian air base near Vladivostok and set fire to an SU-27. Supposedly it was done by Russian's that are partisans and pro Ukraine.
I watched this video about the war in Ukraine earlier. It brings up a lot of good points. Especially the one about the soldiers around Putin not being allowed to have guns. If it's true that's pretty big news. Putin is afraid he might get fragged. But I also started thinking about it myself. Vatniggers usually like to bring up Vietnam Afghanistan and Iraq as examples of US military losses. But there seems to be one thing they seem to leave out. The war in Ukraine is a conventional conflict. The Russians are fighting a conventional war against a conventional enemy. The Ukrainians are wearing uniforms. This is not an unconventional guerilla war fought by insurgents. Vietnam Afghanistan and Iraq were guerilla wars with an insurgency. Russia should be winning this war or at least doing better than they are. I know, Ukraine is using a hybrid style of warfare that mixes an unconventional insurgent style with conventional warfare. But Russia failing like this in a war they should be capable of fighting is just really bad.
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Vietnam was actually a mix of guerilla - and conventional war.
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I'm sorry to drag the thread off topic but you can kind of see the difference in outlook between the Austrailian and British Tank Museum.
The guy in the Australian video is Jason Belgrave, who did 25 years in the Australian Army and as tank crew and then in maintenance. He simply would never get a senior position in any British Museum no matter what his experience.
All the senior staff at Bovington are published authors and describe themselves as 'Curators', and move inside that rarified group of 'curators' that exist in the UK.
If you want to know how bad it is, visit any of the British Imperial war museums, all of which are managed by 'bright young' graduates who have a 'vision' for what their particular exhibits are going to 'say'. Even the Royal Armories, is basically aimed at the lowest common denominator, and I'm really curious as to their thinking being the 'American gun culture' exhibit, and why for example they didn't do one on say guns in Nigeria or Bangladesh.
All those weapons you see on Forgotten weapons that Ian got access to through Jonathan Ferguson, don't turn up there thinking you're going to be able to see them. Half the museum is taken up with huge/shit dioramas, as well as a large open space for the Larpers to role play for kids.
Also the UK is not like the US. British Museums have point blank refused to digitize their archives, and unless you've got an intro from a good university, you can forget about getting access. Likewise if you try to get access to an image or photograph, unless you have the right contacts they'll charge you up to £40 for an image they don't even own the copyright to, while at the same time selling (images that are out of copyright) en masse to Getty images and other stock photo companies for pennies.
Regards the Chieftain, well World of Tanks gave the Tank Museum a shit load of money, and they fucking love money. It also helps that Moran is a Lt Col, in the US reserves.
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Damn, Laserpig fell off hard.
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In the War of the Triple Alliance? Are fucking kidding me bro?
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Zelensky consider now to troll Russia....
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If we bringing back Muscovy we need to arm the Tartars to the teeth so I can RP that we live in Golden Compass world
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AIM-120 has been successful used and has an operational Pk of .59 (though I've seen numbers as high as .77). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM
Biden's policy on China and Russia has been surprisingly tough (at least from the bit I've seen). I also doubt he could be as much of an idiot on foreign policy as Obama.
All three wars were very complex situations and if what you take out of it is that the US military sucks you really don't know jack shit about them. There's much, much more to criticize with the presidents decision making, their disconnect from those in the field, and the general political situation of the United States than there is with actual military and equipment performance.
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The real use of the AIM-120 is going to be in the NASAMS SAM system, which fires regular AIM-120s with minimal modifications. I can't find the tweet, but someone stated that the western countries can ship all the AIM-120's that are reaching their shelf life to Ukraine, it'll cost them nothing as replacement rounds are already in the pipeline, and there's no training value from live firing them.