Diseased Sanctioned Suicide - "Kill yourself" but unironically with sodium nitrite. Higher death count than the Farms. Targeted by parents, legislators, and journalists looking to alter Section 230.

[iffywas]

Good job, Martin Keary.

Would that be the same Martin Keary of London, via Limerick, who has a massive internet footprint and is actually so painfully inept he uses his home address as his company address? Looks like he's worked incredibly hard to build up his reputation as a great all-round guy, it would be a terrible shame if it all came tumbling down due to his meddling with affairs he had no business tackling in the first place.

 

[palko]

I think the reason that nothing's being done about FuneralCry is that her persistency has driven away everyone who strongly disagreed with her views, and everyone who's left and active more or less agrees with her. It's mostly just shocked outsiders at this point who object to her to the point of wanting her gone.

Case in point, a recent thread that I'd consider trolling if it was posted by anyone else: FC complaining that there's too many pro-lifers on the forum and stating her thoughts on suicide as she does.

Too many pro lifers on here

It certainly feels like in this world there really is no escape from anything pro life, and I personally cannot stand anything like that as I see it as being harmful to invalidate all of the suffering that exists and dismiss other people’s perfectly valid feelings. If people want to exist in...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Only a few people gently disagreed with her or with being called a pro-lifer despite not sharing FC's views, everyone else agreed with the idea that the suicide forum is not a place for any talk of recovery or seeking help. Only a couple objected to FC saying that age is irrelevant, everyone has a right to suicide, etc., which even I don't agree with, but don't feel like banging my head against this particular brick wall.
I feel like by now FC is just saying what the great majority of people on the forum are thinking, only she does it so much that she's become representative of the whole forum. At this point that representation is pretty accurate.

 

[Blup]

I think the reason that nothing's being done about FuneralCry is that her persistency has driven away everyone who strongly disagreed with her views,

Pretty much. She is so unbearably stubbborn and immune to reason that trying to argue against all her BS would be about as foolish as engaging in a breeding war against cockroaches. And if you lose your temper just once you'll get permabanned or atleast slapped in the face with a big fat warning. No, thanks.

Case in point, a recent thread that I'd consider trolling if it was posted by anyone else: FC complaining that there's too many pro-lifers on the forum and stating her thoughts on suicide as she does.

About 3/4 of all the likes on this post are from newcomers who probably just want to fit in with the group and will agree with whatever is popular at a given time. Before the masive influx of new users from the Tantacrul video, the amount of likes she would get on her rants dropped down to like 10-15 becaude most people eventually figured out how much of a two-faced snake she really is.

IMO she should be banned not because of any specific rule violations but simply because many of the views she expresses on a daily basis fall under the category of being Pro-Suicide which goes against the founding principles of the site (Pro-Choice not Pro-Suicide).

Honestly, I think her autistoc brain is just stuck in a feedback loop. Being banned might do her some good.

 

[thegooddoctor]

I get that; I don't have a problem with that mentality, and the recovery sub-forum seems to be a good place for this sort of thing. People actually encouraging people to do better but not patronizing or talking down to them/trying to fix their problems.

Though from what I've seen of the other side of the site; they don't seem to hold to that mentality.



Ah I see; it doesn't come off like that; trying to follow the conversation just to see the same poster saying the same thing raises the noise floor. However I'm still not sure I find much value in the reminders. I'm not gonna be too mean though; since I understand, with that context it's more tolerable.

I'm neither here nor there; I don't care if a community is discussing suicide, however I find it dishonest that the founders/mods of the website fail to uphold their own statement of their mission statement. This idea that they are not a pro-suicide forum, but a choose-your-own path seems so fuckin' ridiculous when you find shit within the first few minutes that seem to contradict that statement, even the lack of a ban for that one suicide-baiter who's been negging ppl on the forum for years. A site like SS isn't sustainable and I give it 3-4 years before someone really shits the bed when they look into it, all it takes is a few "high profile" suicides, and the founder doesn't seem to be the type to value much that I can tell, so they will most likely crumble against any real effort to take the site down. As the suggested/recommended ways of unaliving are well researched, but the painful nature of those techniques as well as the probability of success does not seem to be properly reported. Giving young or old individuals a fictitious idea of the outcomes. Very irresponsible (I think the whole site could be boiled down to that).

Forgive me if this has been mentioned earlier, but didn't Null say somewhere that he would personally go out of his way to try and gain leverage of the site and take control if @afounder found themselves in a particularly hot PR Situation where they suffered real legal shit due to said "High Profile' suicides (imao even) Like you I have complex feelings towards a website discussing suicide in a hiverminded community.

I hear possibly even suicide experts have said something like discussing suicide with other people will have a negative effect on said person getting better, but that’s neither here nor there. Regardless of the moral or quasi moral stance people have towards this site has Null said that he’d take over simply because of his protection of Section 230 and lover of a free internet if things were really come to a brick wall, since the owner doesn't seem really anchored to his website in the way Null is to here will he go out of his way to save it due to what it symbolises more than anything?

 

[afounder]

I hear possibly even suicide experts have said something like discussing suicide with other people will have a negative effect on said person getting better, but that’s neither here nor there.

These self-appointed "experts" usually don't offer any real insights, but even I think discussing methods could have a negative effect on someone getting better, It just gets hard to take them at their word when they go out of their way and advocate for censorship instead of addressing the global mental health crisis post-pandemic.

Forgive me if this has been mentioned earlier, but didn't Null say somewhere that he would personally go out of his way to try and gain leverage of the site and take control if @afounder found themselves in a particularly hot PR Situation where they suffered real legal shit due to said "High Profile' suicides (imao even)

I do remember getting an email from Null about hosting the site, but I think at that point we found our own host and haven't really had problems on that front for a while. I don't recall seeing anything about Null wanting to take control over the site, unless I missed it.

 

[LeftTitGalore]

chinaski hasn't made a post in ages. alive he may be, but the bright crusader against funeral cry and his bullshit has been reduced to silence

 

[AnOminous]

I hear possibly even suicide experts have said something like discussing suicide with other people will have a negative effect on said person getting better, but that’s neither here nor there.

Well, they're talking about competition, but they can hardly complain that people will talk amongst themselves when if they talk to you, you'll have them immediately hauled off to a loony bin so they can lose a bunch of rights permanently.

 

[Ishtar]

I don't approve of suicide on religious grounds, though I am extremely sympathetic to people who are suffering. Suicide prevention hotlines, therapy, and psychiatric wards aren't going to magically transform a miserable and bitter life into a sunny paradise with rainbows and unicorns.

Maybe we could have an honest discussion about why people are in such deep despair to start with, but that won't happen so these things will just continue to exist, whether they shut down websites like this or not.

 

[thegooddoctor]

But it's not depressing, it's just funny. Everyone from there is a dramamongering retard getting mad at everyone else for no reason and coming here to fling shit on each other, it's great.

That part is, but the whole concept itself is still ghoulish but I know you don’t care since you see the bad in everything, I would go after all the crap you’ve probably seen.

 

[Ishtar]

Taking a brief peruse of the forum-I noticed most members are atheists.

I dislike segue waying into a religious commentary-but if you have no faith in the transcendent beyond the here and now, if you fully believe you are a sack of flesh and bone, that you lack a soul, and there is no promise of life eternal...

Then indeed! Why not, why should a miserable and bitter life be continued? This is the consequence of a godless society, where man is seen as nothing but a slightly more complex animal.

There is nothing in the modern world that can convince someone in despair to feel joy or even peace, there is no reason to get out of bed in the morning, to go on.

A reason to live, must be offered.

 

[AnOminous]

Taking a brief peruse of the forum-I noticed most members are atheists.

I dislike segue waying into a religious commentary-but if you have no faith in the transcendent beyond the here and now, if you fully believe you are a sack of flesh and bone, that you lack a soul, and there is no promise of life eternal...

Then indeed! Why not, why should a miserable and bitter life be continued? This is the consequence of a godless society, where man is seen as nothing but a slightly more complex animal.

There is nothing in the modern world that can convince someone in despair to feel joy or even peace, there is no reason to get out of bed in the morning, to go on.

A reason to live, must be offered.

Read some Kierkegaard, bitch.

There is plenty of cause for despair even in religion.

 

[suspended animation]

Taking a brief peruse of the forum-I noticed most members are atheists.

I dislike segue waying into a religious commentary-but if you have no faith in the transcendent beyond the here and now, if you fully believe you are a sack of flesh and bone, that you lack a soul, and there is no promise of life eternal...

Then indeed! Why not, why should a miserable and bitter life be continued? This is the consequence of a godless society, where man is seen as nothing but a slightly more complex animal.

There is nothing in the modern world that can convince someone in despair to feel joy or even peace, there is no reason to get out of bed in the morning, to go on.

A reason to live, must be offered.

I find as a nonreligious person that I actually hold life very precious; as much as I want to believe I'll reconnect with the souls of those I've loved in life, there is no guarantee and so I do my best to fully appreciate them while I can.

That also means that I'll fight to stick around here with them for as long as possible. You don't need a god to give you a reason to live if you've grown up with a loving, supporting family who've shown you how to fight and what you're fighting for.

 

[Maverick Vile]

Could care less.

It's "couldn't care less," you uncultured faggot.

 

[Chaos Theorist]

Would that be the same Martin Keary of London, via Limerick, who has a massive internet footprint and is actually so painfully inept he uses his home address as his company address? Looks like he's worked incredibly hard to build up his reputation as a great all-round guy, it would be a terrible shame if it all came tumbling down due to his meddling with affairs he had no business tackling in the first place.

Go on....

 

[thegooddoctor]

Taking a brief peruse of the forum-I noticed most members are atheists.

I dislike segue waying into a religious commentary-but if you have no faith in the transcendent beyond the here and now, if you fully believe you are a sack of flesh and bone, that you lack a soul, and there is no promise of life eternal...

Then indeed! Why not, why should a miserable and bitter life be continued? This is the consequence of a godless society, where man is seen as nothing but a slightly more complex animal.

There is nothing in the modern world that can convince someone in despair to feel joy or even peace, there is no reason to get out of bed in the morning, to go on.

A reason to live, must be offered.

Just because an easy answer to the meaning of life doesn’t exist doesn’t mean there isn’t one. And I myself an non religious but doesn’t mean I can’t find meaning in a joyless life, even if there isn’t anything on the great beyond that just makes me want to cherish the ones I love and care for even more. Because if you truly give up that you snuff out any chance at finding hope, you keep walking for yourself, if nothing else. That is the reason. Idiot.

 

[Bioniclelover]

Because if you truly give up that you snuff out any chance at finding hope, you keep walking for yourself, if nothing else. That is the reason. Idiot.

I don't want to sound as if I promote suicide but talking about hope for the future is not something that applies to everything. Some people live in misery for a long time and rarely they are able to get better on their own, especially for those who suffer from chronic illnesses, suffer from permament injuries, etc with noone close to them or live with abusive families.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't want to sound as if I promote suicide but talking about hope for the future is not something that applies to everything. Some people live in misery for a long time and rarely they are able to get better on their own, especially for those who suffer from chronic illnesses, suffer from permament injuries, etc with noone close to them or live with abusive families.

You sound kind of retarded, frankly.

 

[Bioniclelover]

You sound kind of retarded, frankly.

Thanks

 

[Weeby Catto]

Taking a brief peruse of the forum-I noticed most members are atheists.

I dislike segue waying into a religious commentary-but if you have no faith in the transcendent beyond the here and now, if you fully believe you are a sack of flesh and bone, that you lack a soul, and there is no promise of life eternal...

Then indeed! Why not, why should a miserable and bitter life be continued? This is the consequence of a godless society, where man is seen as nothing but a slightly more complex animal.

There is nothing in the modern world that can convince someone in despair to feel joy or even peace, there is no reason to get out of bed in the morning, to go on.

A reason to live, must be offered.

I don't think it's so much about a reason to live as much as redemption/salvation in the end.

If you are religious to a certain extent, you might be able to bear the burden knowing that everything will mean something in the end.

But if you are just an accidental flesh with 0 afterlife, then everything is meaningless. All your good deeds are meaningless, if you are handicap, that's it, there is no redemption. A serial rapist will go in the same grave in the end as the dude who saved a 100 lives, then why bother?

People who think that atheism makes life feel even more precious are only the ones living well, the ones in debilitating sickness are wailing in despair with 0 salvation. Thus suicide becomes an alluring prospect.

 

[BSC]

The point has been beaten to death by now, but I'd like to kick the dead horse one more time here. Tantacrul's sanctimonious video has demonstrably, inarguably driven more traffic to the site than if he'd just kept to making mediocre music related content.

A couple of relevant posts that I found in the same thread in which Rain and Sadness wrote out their very detailed response (which you should be able to find on the previous page ITT) to further illustrate the point:



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This one in particular stuck out to me:


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I think I can confidently say that at least one, if not multiple, suicides will occur either as a direct or indirect consequence of his video. Whether that's a good thing or not comes down to your personal philosophy, but it clearly wasn't the stated intent of his video.

Bravo Martin, truly magnificent work. I hope the ad revenue was worth it you fucking parasite.