Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ookoo Squad]

The creation of Nato was to counter Soviet Union influence. Not Russian invasion.

Yeah, and the Maginot Line was begun in 1929 to defend against the Weimar Republic, not the Third Reich. Technicalities schmechnicalities.

 

[namai337]

Russia literally shoots down an American aircraft on international waters (haha drunk vatnik doesn't know how to fly) rams an American aircraft, thus allowing for plausible deniability spin it however you want but the reality is Putin put down a US aircraft in international waters.
Nato response: stern words and condemnation

they had to do it twice due they are such fuckups of a pilots

 

[AgendaPoster]

Yeah, and the Maginot Line was begun in 1929 to defend against the Weimar Republic, not the Third Reich. Technicalities schmechnicalities.

I don't get where these leftoid/progressive assumptions about nationhood come from:
- a country is defined by its ideology! Russia cannot be the USSR because Russia is capitalist and no longer communist!
That's cool and everything, but Russia is not the only state that went neolib from socialism, and Romania and Poland are no less Romanian and Polish just because now it's no longer Romanian Socialist Republic but just Romania. Same shit, same people, different clothes, many other ideologies will come and go, but peoples and land will (hopefully) remain.
Additionally, let's give them the "not USSR" thing.
How about the Russian Empire then? Do you zigger afficionados reject all links to the Empire?
Lol who am I kidding, nobody rejects links to the USSR even, that's just putting a show for hohols and allies, in private they cry about Big Russia and its territorial losses, and find a lot of things they loved about the USSR.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

MQ-9/Sukhoi collision footage released.

Edit: I still don't get why they kept dumping fuel.
~ Damage the drone's engine by causing it to ingest whatever passes for jet fuel in Russia?
~ Reduce the risk of fire if they collided?
~ Soak the thing in kerosene and set it on fire with afterburners? (this is Russia we're talking about)

....because just trying to blind/force it down that way seems retarded.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

International attention is already dropping off from Ukrain

I heard that before. Yes, West is less concern about this war and this is the reason why they send jets and western tanks.

-China recaptures Hong Kong
Nato response: Stern words and condemnation.

How to tell you have no clue about world in two lines.

Firstly, NATO treaty isn't even valid in that part of world.
Secondly, Hong Kong is fuckin part of China. Like Chechenya is part of ruzzia. Just like South Dakota is part of USA.

-Russia literally shoots down an American aircraft on international waters (haha drunk vatnik doesn't know how to fly) spin it however you want but the reality is Putin put down a US aircraft in international waters.
Nato response: stern words and condemnation

Pick any of delivered to Ukraine from NATO tanks. This is the response. Given in advance.

Also, I almost forget:

- NATO blows up ruzzkies pipe: ruzzia shit their pants.
- 'unknown' perpetrators blow up reffinery in Tupse, crimean bridge, variety of important buildings with ruzzkies inside: ruzzia shit their pants.
- NATO is sending tanks, ammo, arties, small guns into Ukraine,: ruzzia shit their pants and make a full kamikaze into random old dron. Result: one drone less, one SU-27 less.

What's China do in all this?

Nothing - they didn't give to ruzzia a single truck to support their effort.

If ruzzia is truly beliving that China will not fuck their ass when it will be a opportunity that means ruzzians are fucking retarded. It will be another time when ruzzia was stupid enough to trust China and be fucked in ass.

 

[GatorAids]

Riddle for you. Vladimir is from an inhospitable shithole. Vladimir fucks little boys. Vladimir gets angry with his place in the wider world of politics. Vladimir starts a war. Vladimir uses prisoners as mercenaries. Vladimir underestimates his enemies. Vladimir wants to monopolize the market for a resource used in transportation.

Should his rival start doing lots of drugs?

Spoiler: Spoiler

I know comparing real life to fiction is dumb, I just find the parallels between Putin/Harkonnen funny

 

[Melmac_Knight]

Riddle for you. Vladimir is from an inhospitable shithole. Vladimir fucks little boys. Vladimir gets angry with his place in the wider world of politics. Vladimir starts a war. Vladimir uses prisoners as mercenaries. Vladimir underestimates his enemies. Vladimir wants to monopolize the market for a resource used in transportation.

Should his rival start doing lots of drugs?

Spoiler: Spoiler

I know comparing real life to fiction is dumb, I just find the parallels between Putin/Harkonnen funny

we should start putting meth back in to the chocolate and cocaine in coca-cola

 

[AgendaPoster]

There is some commotion and seething in the other thread about Moldova voting to replace the made up Russian "Moldovan" language with its actual name, Romanian. Also accusations (as usual) that Romania is about to steal Moldova, /yawn
How come their arguments are so retarded? Romania is NATO, taking Moldova would make it NATO, and Moldova cannot be NATO due to its open territorial disputes.
Recognizing the language for what it is is simply just telling the truth. Sure it might be a bit too nationalistic and spicy for Kremlin, but that's their problem. Romanians are one ethnic group with one language with multiple dialects. I never learned "Moldovan" but I could understand the parliament session from Moldova 100% with ease. Sure they have a bit of a weird accent (and they'd think I have a weird accent too, of course), but we're able to talk to each other without any additional learning.
Look at how respectable AP frames this lmao, divisive (for whom? literally only people that care about this are the vatniks):
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[draggs]

@AgendaPoster trying to cover up the globohomo imperialist Greater Roumania agenda

 

[Racist Trash]

The opposition Communists and Socialists bloc, which hold 31 seats, and 6 lawmakers from the Russia-friendly Shor Party, mostly boycotted the vote.

hmmmm

During the parliamentary session Thursday, some members of the Communists and Socialists bloc brandished a large banner that read: “The people are sovereign, PAS is a tyrant,”

>The people are sovereign we best submit to Russia

 

[AgendaPoster]

hmmmm

>The people are sovereign we best submit to Russia

The "communist and socialist bloc" is just a pro-Russian remnant. It's easier to hide behind ideology because Moldova is very poor and neoliberal shock therapy is now known very well in the area for its horrors.
The 2 sides are actually ethnic, not that much ideological. One is pro-Western, neoliberal, modern and largely Romanian, and another is pro-Russia, Soviet-nostalgic, and largely Russian/Tatar/Gagauz etc. - basically the minorities that did better under Soviet erasure of ethnicity and fear a return to a "default" ethnicity.
To be clear, I sympathize with the minorities, and think their concerns need to be accommodated to a reasonable degree, so Moldova does not descend into another Ukraine. But these minorities are also suffering from brainrot and sperginess, and with the interethnic relations being at such new lows, they'll likely keep doing gayops for Moscow. Very complex, pretty bleak outcome for Moldova, but that's diversity for you.
Now, Moldova must be always with its eyes open at the gayops that will be run against it, and its ruling pro-Western party must make sure to protect the population and not let the country descend into a financial crisis that would push it towards the "socialist and communist" bloc. If they get caught with corruption while people are starving, the Romanian language crap will be the very last thing the Moldovans, Romanian or minority, will care about.

 

[namai337]

Another t90m got captured today after a failed breakthrough in kremlina

(((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Russians tried a breakthrough at the Kreminna front with at least one of their most modern T-90M and it ended in a disaster. The T-90M was damaged and, more interestingly, captured by Ukrainian forces. #Kreminna #Luhansk #Ukraine

nitter.cz

Probably is the third captured or second

 

[Clownish]

Video of a failed Russian infantry attack in Bakhmut. The Ukrainian soldier that uploaded the video said that this is normal and that the Russian commander should be promoted.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Completely unrelated to the Special Military Operation, an FSB building blew up today.

Video:

Tass [archive]:

16 MAR, 05:14

FSB Border Service building on fire in Rostov-on-Don​

A source in the emergency services earlier told TASS about the fire in the territory of the Border Service’s administration in Rostov-on-Don

© Stringer/TASS
ROSTOV-ON-DON, March 16. /TASS/. A fire broke out on Thursday in the Federal Security Service's Border Service building in Rostov-on-Don, Emergencies Ministry units have already left for the site.
"Units left for Sivers Street, 20. The information is being clarified," the press service of the Emergencies Ministry’s regional department reported. This is the address of the regional FSB's Border Service.
A source in the emergency services earlier told TASS about the fire in the territory of the Border Service’s administration in Rostov-on-Don. According to him, the fire broke out in a separate one-story building. The area of the fire is being clarified.

It probably wasn't a Ukrainian operation. It's not like there are a bunch of Ukrainians nearby who have a grudge and might want to weaken Russia's Security Service, particularly the component responsible for border security, which would enable subsequent incursions:


But seriously, it was probably just Russians doing something dumb. Probably smoking around a bunch of oily rags and munitions. Упс! Вупсий!

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Just 2 more weeks Z-bros. The globohomo will fall and heckin based Putin will become Tsar of Europe! Just 2 more weeks, 3 more months, another year!

2030 the latest!

2 more weeks to flatten the hohols!

 

[Melmac_Knight]

Another t90m got captured today after a failed breakthrough in kremlina

(((Tendar))) (@Tendar)

Russians tried a breakthrough at the Kreminna front with at least one of their most modern T-90M and it ended in a disaster. The T-90M was damaged and, more interestingly, captured by Ukrainian forces. #Kreminna #Luhansk #Ukraine

nitter.cz

Probably is the third captured or second
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that one was set to "parade mode" next will be set to "battle mode" and won't be captured or destroyed

 

[Clownish]

I checked an Azov soldiers Instagram and he was eating candy and playing League of Legends while healing from an injury. I wonder what his reaction would be if he found out that he is being blamed for J6?

I swear the majority of Azov's notoriety comes from skitzos making stuff up about them.

 

[draggs]

So the most anti-Russian hohols around are also Trump simps and Trump is also such a simp for Putin

Makes total sense

 

[GoPro]

I'm curious as to how they'll rebuild after this. They had 20 years of relatively minor military pressure (with most conflicts they were getting into being shit they instigated) where they could have built up their conventional army for a military operation (that again, they controlled the timing of), and yet their conventional forces are still heavily reliant on hastily cold war equipment with a hasty upgrade package if lucky. When the smoke clears, and a good chunk of their cold war stockpiles are smoldering in some field in Ukraine, they'll realize they'll have to actually produce shit domestically that can compete with the shit actual NATO nations are developing, while having to deal with economic isolation and without access to western tech to shortcut production. That or become China's bitch.

Russia was spending money on reforming and modernizing its military since 2008. Due to Russian corruption, a lot of that money ended up in private pockets instead. The case of Anatoly Serdyukov from 2012 is a good example of how bad corruption in Russian military can get even at the highest levels. Serdyukov was Shoigu's predecessor. He was handpicked by Putin to modernize military and root out corruption. Serdyukov's efforts met a lot of resistance within military but eventually resulted in a some people ousted for corruption. After five years as the Russian Minister of Defense, Serdyukov's mistress (who also worked in dept of defense) was detained for fund embezzlement. He was investigated not long after her. It turned out that Serdyukov was involved in using government funds and soldiers to build a private road to a luxurious Zhitnoye vacation resort in Astrakhan Oblast. Of course, he got amnesty and a lucrative post at Rosetec afterwards.
Serdyukov's and his mistress' shenanigans resulted in a loss of about 100 million dollars (or over 3 billion rubles at the time). And that's only two people who got caught likely due to infighting between Russian elites. Looking at how poorly Russia's attack has been going, it's pretty obvious that corruption is still a problem.

I don't think that Russia will improve any time soon. Natural resources can be a blessing but they have drawbacks. Two common ones are patterns like Resource Curse and Dutch Disease. Countries rich in natural resources usually grow overly dependent on them for revenue. This wealth tends to encourage kleptocracy, and it in turn breeds oligarchy or authoritarian governments. Ruling elites want to keep resource profits for themselves, so they invest only into fields that will increase and secure natural resource revenues. Everything else is largely left to languish. The country falls behind technologically and other industries suffer. That further pushes elites to rely on resource exports, and they keep neglecting everything else. Rinse and repeat.
Changing Russia's course would require serious reforms and sacrifices from the current ruling class. I don't think that's likely any time soon.

I don't get where these leftoid/progressive assumptions about nationhood come from:
- a country is defined by its ideology! Russia cannot be the USSR because Russia is capitalist and no longer communist!
That's cool and everything, but Russia is not the only state that went neolib from socialism, and Romania and Poland are no less Romanian and Polish just because now it's no longer Romanian Socialist Republic but just Romania. Same shit, same people, different clothes, many other ideologies will come and go, but peoples and land will (hopefully) remain.
Additionally, let's give them the "not USSR" thing.
How about the Russian Empire then? Do you zigger afficionados reject all links to the Empire?
Lol who am I kidding, nobody rejects links to the USSR even, that's just putting a show for hohols and allies, in private they cry about Big Russia and its territorial losses, and find a lot of things they loved about the USSR.

These assumptions change when convenient too. When it comes to NATO keeping promises it supposedly made to the Soviet Union, then Russia is a successor to the USSR. That stops being the case the moment discussion goes to Soviet genocides, or to efforts at destabilizing west by aiding far-left academics, pro-Marxist movements, and extremists that led to leftist cultural takeover.

Edit: I still don't get why they kept dumping fuel.
~ Damage the drone's engine by causing it to ingest whatever passes for jet fuel in Russia?
~ Reduce the risk of fire if they collided?
~ Soak the thing in kerosene and set it on fire with afterburners? (this is Russia we're talking about)

....because just trying to blind/force it down that way seems retarded.

We are talking about Russian military here. Early in the conflict Russian forces entered Chernobyl and dug trenches there.

 

[The Demon Pimp of Razgriz]

Video from Good Times Bad Times:

Apparently, towards the end, he starts going over the findings of some analyst who traveled to Ukraine, and his conclusions are...spotty to say the least. For example, he says that Ukrainian losses in Bakhmut are 1:1 with Russian losses, or even worse, when we literally just had reports saying that Russian losses are 5:1. He also says that we've reached the "peak of western support", and but offers nothing to actually back up that assumption.

Another video here, showing a series of street interviews with Ukrainians about what their relatives and friends in Russia had to say about the war: