Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

How the fuck did they manage to scare off Damon Lindelof and can more studios start doing whatever it was, please? His name shows up on the credits of pretty much every shitty big-budget movie and TV show for the last decade, he's like Hollywood cancer.
He's buttbuddies with JarJar Abrams, and aside from having identical wikipedia +early life+ entries, they are also part of the same circle of assholes from around the 2000s who have now completely dominated Hollywood and have connections to Spielberg in one way or another. If that's not suspicious enough, Damon's even been named one of the 100 most influential people on the planet and whose influence seems to drag down everything he and his JJ friend circle touches.

Its pure nepotism at its worst, but the fact that Disney could drive away someone like this says quite a lot.

What would be needed first is instead of the next trilogy you need to do another miniseries or book series that covers the next 5-10 years in the Star Wars galaxy, focus on the rebuilding of things, how things get back to normal, no giant galaxy-ending threats. Hutts, space pirates, very small remnants of First Order, that kind of thing at most. Show the galaxy actually growing and healing. Show things actually getting back to when they were bright and happy in the Old Republic before the Empire or ostensibly the brief moment in time between the New Republic and First Order.

After that you can do a new trilogy where something big happens.
That would involve keeping around the disastrous disquels, their pisspoor treatment of the characters and setting, and the god awful Fail Order, and nobody wants that. Not even disquel fans want that since they did not get what they wanted most, the corny Twilight-like marriage and lovechild between Rey and Emo Ren or have their gay Snoke theories validated.

Regardless, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney decides to another gay canon reboot in 12 years once they run out of space between the OT and PT to milk. The were hoping the High Republic could offer them more material, but look how that turned out.
 
not surprised. i mean, how someone could possibly make a sequel to 7-9 without ignoring the whole story? this trilogy ruined any potential story going foward.

Do what they should have done the first fucking time: a time skip to clear the board a bit so you can start to build something new.
Star Wars: Episode X: Apology Ascendant

It has been 25 years since the final death of Emperor Palpatine, and the galaxy still bears the scars of the First Order Wars. The Republic and the Empire are no more, as the galaxy has shattered into dozens of states that make war, peace, or trade according to their own agendas.

REY, hero of the Resistance, has begun to rebuild the Jedi Order in accordance with the dream of LUKE SKYWALKER, hoping to restore peace and justice to a broken galaxy. However, she has disappeared just as her order was beginning to find it's feet.

KYLE, the son of REY and fellow Resistance hero FINN, has come to the edge of the galaxy, pursuing rumors the rumors his mother was following. Whispers abound of a strange new enemy, neither flesh nor machine but greater than both, and even now KYLE approaches the heart of this new darkness....
 
Do what they should have done the first fucking time: a time skip to clear the board a bit so you can start to build something new.
Star Wars: Episode X: Apology Ascendant

It has been 25 years since the final death of Emperor Palpatine, and the galaxy still bears the scars of the First Order Wars. The Republic and the Empire are no more, as the galaxy has shattered into dozens of states that make war, peace, or trade according to their own agendas.

REY, hero of the Resistance, has begun to rebuild the Jedi Order in accordance with the dream of LUKE SKYWALKER, hoping to restore peace and justice to a broken galaxy. However, she has disappeared just as her order was beginning to find it's feet.

KYLE, the son of REY and fellow Resistance hero FINN, has come to the edge of the galaxy, pursuing rumors the rumors his mother was following. Whispers abound of a strange new enemy, neither flesh nor machine but greater than both, and even now KYLE approaches the heart of this new darkness....
Or just ignore the lame characters from the sequels and said films and start anew 300 years after the OT. More freedom to do what you want with completely new characters and ignore the events and bastardizations of the characters from the OT and properly treat them as if they never happened. Last thing anyone needs more of is Rey Sue and her extended Palpatine family.
 
I could see Disney greenlighting more season just to pretend things are A-OK, for example Batwoman lasted for 5 seasons despite the fact that season 1 broke a Guiness record for low ratings, the show kept going and CW kept pretending it was a massive hit, and was only canceled after the fact that the CW hasn't been profitable since 2006 came to light, I can see Disney doing the same with The Mandalorian
Batwoman only lasted for three seasons.
 
not surprised. i mean, how someone could possibly make a sequel to 7-9 without ignoring the whole story? this trilogy ruined any potential story going foward.

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really puts things in perspective
The guys who produced the absolute worst Star Wars content we ever had actually got to finish their runs, meanwhile anyone trying to make something creative or even remotely watchable got ran off. This has to be about control, the people in the bottom lists clearly weren't "playing ball" the way that the Disney suits wanted them too.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but...did you swipe that from a Reylo fanfic?

Because that unironically sounds like something one of them would write.
My reading tastes aren't that refined. I was trying to homage Kyle Katarn (obligatory "look how they massacred my boy") in an attempt to recapture some of the flavor of the old EU.
 
Or just ignore the lame characters from the sequels and said films and start anew 300 years after the OT. More freedom to do what you want with completely new characters and ignore the events and bastardizations of the characters from the OT and properly treat them as if they never happened. Last thing anyone needs more of is Rey Sue and her extended Palpatine family.
Or go backwards into the Old Republic era and tell a story from there. Regardless of whether parts of the EU were canonized or not, there's still a whole bunch of stories to tell in that era.

To have things just continue and continue past the Skywalker, still in my mind cheapens what the Skywalkers did.
 
Or just ignore the lame characters from the sequels and said films and start anew 300 years after the OT. More freedom to do what you want with completely new characters and ignore the events and bastardizations of the characters from the OT and properly treat them as if they never happened. Last thing anyone needs more of is Rey Sue and her extended Palpatine family.
Imagine if they had never done The Force Awakens and had come out of the gate doing something like the Star Wars Legacy comics instead.

New era, new characters, new starships, new conflict, new aliens...and maybe a Skywalker descendent to tie us to the past.
 
Imagine if they had never done The Force Awakens and had come out of the gate doing something like the Star Wars Legacy comics instead.

New era, new characters, new starships, new conflict, new aliens...and maybe a Skywalker descendent to tie us to the past.
Again, you people don't understand how modern media and politics work.

If they had kept the EU as canon, they wouldn't have just left it alone, as it was. They'd change it from inside out.

If they made a film about the Legacy Era, you'll have a female Skywalker instead of a male one, and she'll defeat Darth Krayt with little effort after converting Darth Talon to the Light Side by establishing a lesbian relationship with her and using that to convert her. If they made a Thrawn Trilogy show, they'll emphasize Leia and Mara's contribution more while downplaying Luke and making him a loser. If they adapt Dark Empire, it will be Leia, not Luke or Han, who defeats the revived Emperor. If they adapted the NJO novels, it will be Jaina, not Jacen, who defeats Onimi by becoming one with the Light, while the male patriarchy of heroes like Han, Luke, Wedge, and Pellaeon fail to fight the Vong, but the female leaders like Leia, Jaina, Daala, and Tenel Ka Djo succeed where they failed.

They're already gutting the KOTOR remake to fit their ideal version of Star Wars. Just as they added gay relationships to SWTOR after Disney bought Star Wars.

If anything, as an EU fan, having it be decanonized and tossed aside was the best thing that could've happened to it in these dark times. At least the usual suspects aren't trooning it out outside of adding some expansions to SWTOR, padding out the tired "Sith Empire vs. Republic" nonsense that should've ended with Valkorion's death. But at least most EU fans can write those off rather easily since the main SWTOR storyline ended years ago.
 
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Let me translate this into Normie for everyone:
"We signed a bunch of contracts that said this project is happening, and if it doesn't we have to pay out big penalties + look like bitches. However, if we start changing the terms on people and pissing them off enough they voluntarily quit, we don't have to pay out the penalties and in the investor conference we can go 'Aw geez... all the creatives just backed out. How can we possibly continue at this time? We'll come back to this later'.

We are doing this because our profit margins are shitting the bed and we can't afford to gamble on another Solo."

If its the Promethus & HBO Watchmen guy, that makes a ton of sense. You never want to shit the bed, but you definitely don't want to shit the bed now - people are starting to ignore ESG scores and look at returns.
Also there's the part where they fucked up previously and are in a suit at the moment because one lady they pump and dumped is seeking damages because they broke contract and only after she lost her other opportunity. This is them screaming in panic and fear over fucking up like that again.

Also doesn't help that Kathy never could control shit. Unless you mean scream at men for disagreeing with her and firing them in tard rage because she didn't like the movie direction or being pushed back on for vision.
 
You'd think they'd find someplace safer for the culvert where giant bird monsters can't attack them, but "this is the way" I suppose.
I suppose they're ripping off the idea from Dxun in KOTOR 2 where Mandalore the Preserver (Canderous Ordo) parked his camp in a place full of wild animals to test his men. But at least his camp had defenses and was well-hidden; it's not like some drexl is just going to swoop down and take a man or two from them.

So nothing happened in this shortest ever Mango episode. There was a flashback to the jedi temple thing but that;s it
The highlights are that Bo-Katan managed to earn the trust of the crazy helmet squad, and she confessed to her battle chaplain that she saw the Mythosaur back on Mandalore. That, and the kid from the season opening was Paz Vizsla's son.

Also there's the part where they fucked up previously and are in a suit at the moment because one lady they pump and dumped is seeking damages because they broke contract and only after she lost her other opportunity.
Hollywood politics is run by men who treat women like moist towelettes; good for a short while, then throw them away when they're no longer useful.

Also doesn't help that Kathy never could control shit. Unless you mean scream at men for disagreeing with her and firing them in tard rage because she didn't like the movie direction or being pushed back on for vision.
She was a diversity hire. Lucas never gave her any real role outside of helping out with meager tasks. That has been a modern trend with large organizations nowadays; promote some side woman and expect them to be the STRONG, INDEPENDENT WOMAN who can run something well, except they were never trained for anything big, so they shit the bed and fail. If Disney wasn't watching out for this woman's back, she'd be in the streets by now.
 
I'm a bit late on this announcement, but there's been some more sad news, and for the first time in weeks, it has nothing to do with any misguided decisions by Disney.

Prolific Expanded Universe author and longtime animated series writer Michael Reaves has passed away. He was 73 years old.

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Reaves is sadly one of many EU contributors to have passed away in recent years, along with Tom Veitch and Dave Wolverton. And just like those two late authors, Disney and LFL have either failed or neglected to publish any sort of eulogy on their site, or any form of social media...so it again falls to fans to mourn his loss, and celebrate his achievements.

Michael Reaves' tenure with the EU wasn't as extensive as someone like, say, Allston or Watson or Ostrander/Duursema, or whose contributions were early staples a la Zahn or Stackpole. But his work nevertheless shines as some of the most underrated SW literature that brought a sense of grit, texture, and sophistication to its universe and characters. Where Zahn excelled in military sci-fi, the X-Wing Author Duo specialized in dogfighting heroics, Stover excelled in character studies, and Golden in fantastical world-building...Reaves, by contrast, brought raw hard-boiled street level storytelling to the setting, filled with heated pursuits, games of intrigue, brutal deaths, and compelling characters, often cloaked in the shadowy criminal underworld of the Star Wars universe. Yes, that setting that shows like Mandalorian and Andor are both acclaimed for exploring? Reaves did it first, and better, almost twenty years ago.

Like Jude Watson, he would gain a cult following by using his own little corner of the EU to utilize recurring characters and plotlines even books set decades apart. And just like Watson, his books were largely rooted in the early 2000's novel boom of the Prequel era. One of his most notable books is the brooding and nail-bitingly tense Darth Maul solo book, called Shadow Hunter. This book dealt in an untold chase story set just prior to The Phantom Menace, wherein Palpatine is putting the finishing touches on executing his Naboo Blockade Plans, only for a traitorous Neimoidian to race to the Coruscant streets to sell his knowledge of the plan to the highest bidder in the undercity black market. What follows is Maul's brutal assassination mission to track him down, as more innocents and bystander characters get roped in, and find themselves in the crossfire of the Sith Warrior's deadly mission.

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This book would put Reaves on the map for many fans, who reveled in his seedy depiction of the Coruscant underworld, employing the mood and stylings of doom-laden and morbid noir films, as well as managing to capture the cold-blooded, calculated essence of Maul's character just as well as the Ron Marz comic published one year earlier.

Reaves would also gain plenty of fame, and even bring many of the characters and concepts from Shadow Hunter back, in his contribution to the beloved Clone Wars Multimedia Project, the Medstar Duology.

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Novel-wise, the Multimedia Project would vary greatly in quality and focus...but these two books were and still are seen as massive highlights of the era, spoken of in the same reverence as Shatterpoint and Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. As its name would suggest, these books dealt with a team of Jedi Medics, pitched by Reaves himself as the Star Wars equivalent of the TV show, M*A*S*H*. While other novels dealt with the blitz and heroics of major battles, Medstar was special for dealing with the consequences of the war...the frantic dilemmas and camaraderie of the battle surgeons, comprised of Reaves' own characters as well as filmic side-character, Bariss Offee. Bariss' characterization in particular would go on to become a fan favorite, with Reaves adding flesh, personality and struggle to throwaway character from the films who didn't even have any speaking lines. These books would also go onto illustrate a lot of EU fan's ongoing frustration with the TCW cartoon, as the needless butchering of Bariss to serve as a foil and empowering tool for Ahsoka's character in that series was not only seen as unnecessary, but irreconcilable to this day.

Reaves would finally get his chance to work outside of the parameters of character spin-offs and tie-in storylines to play in a sandbox almost entirely of his own making, and seized the chance to write the hard-boiled pulp fiction story he always wanted...the Coruscant Nights trilogy. Featuring an Order 66 survivor turned detective in the Dark Times Era, Reaves got to spend all the time he wanted in Coruscant's underbelly, unraveling mysteries and bringing out his inner Raymond Chandler to bring about a series that still stands alone as the only Star Wars series to deal with street-level crime fiction, rather than side-tracking into smuggling or bounty hunting. Reaves' efforts would be contradicted by TCW yet again, as notable Jedi Even Piell--whose death Reaves had written in this series--would be killed off during the war by TCW's writers, for the highly crucial and absolutely necessary narrative function of being a random casualty of some journey Anakin and Ahsoka were on. But unlike Karen Traviss, who refused to put up with retcons that broke the fabric of her novels, Reaves actually didn't let the shows continuity flubs affect his work...and in fact, rather bravely tried to accomodate the show by making overt references to the series in his final book tying up the storyline, The Last Jedi (yes, really), in an attempt to be a team player and keep synergy with the show.

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Reaves would eventually collaborate with Shadows of the Empire scribe Steve Perry on the serviceable but ultimately forgettable Death Star novel. Perry, who had incorporated a lot of criminal elements and seedy Godfather-esque dealings in his own work on Shadows evidently recognized a kindred spirit, and they would soon collaborate on the loose prequel novel to the 1996 multimedia project, Shadow Games, which followed a rags-to-riches galactic celebrity that would step in some hazardous entanglements, and enlist the aide of not only Dash Rendar, but Han Solo...who would both fight side-by-side in a team-up that fans had spent years wistfully begging for.

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Unfortunately, this would mark a sudden halt in Reaves' contributions. For you see, the reason that his tenure with Star Wars ended up being so criminally short--far shorter than many of his peers--is because he unfortunately developed Parkinson's disease relatively early into his career, hence why he had to collaborate with others on many of his novels, including his wife and daughter. As symptoms would worsen, he lost the ability to comfortably type, and the years would eventually diminish his ability to pen stories altogether. A tremendous shame that robbed us of numerous stories far too soon.

What made Reaves' stories special, so organic and vibrant, could be attributed quite easily to his past experience not on other novels, but other mediums. I've mentioned how a key aspect to why the Expanded Universe was curated so well was because many of the authors specialized in a niche form of fiction prior to jumping onboard to Star Wars---Stackpole having done Battletech novels, Luceno having done Robotech, Salvatore and Denning on Forgotten Realms, Golden on Warcraft, and so on. Reaves, however, was unique in that prior to Star Wars, he'd specialized in both novels and animation. In the included photo above, you may notice some Batman memorabilia adorning his shelf, and that's for a very good reason...Reaves had done work for that cartoon series.

That's right, Michael Reaves was part of the longtime, legendary alumnus who contributed to Batman: The Animated Series, walking amongst giants like Alan Burnett, Paul Dini, & Bruce Timm. Not only did he co-write several classic episodes like Vendetta, Feat of Clay, and my personal favorite, Perchance to Dream, he was part of the writing team for the tour-de-force, Mask of the Phantasm.

All of that alone would be impressive enough, but to animation enthusiasts like myself, Reaves' greatest contribution to the world of 90's cartoons was without a doubt his mountainous writing credits on the cult Disney hit, Gargoyles. Yes, Greg Wiseman can talk your ear off about how the series was his creative brainchild, how he came up with the concepts and stories for a bulk of the episodes, but the dialogue and characterization for many of the BEST episodes of the series came from the writing efforts of Michael Reaves and his wife, Brynn Chandler-Reaves. Characters like Goliath, Elisa, Xanatos and Demona shone in the jaw-dropping standouts he wrote, along with the series pilot, all episodes featuring the Pack, the battle with Oberon, episodes that dealt with death like the Egypt episode, and the universally-acclaimed all-time favorite of fans, the City of Stone four-part series climax.

Gargoyles would literally be nothing without Reaves and his wife, and if you want to know what the series would look like without them and if Greg Wisman was running about unchecked and unwrangled, take a gander at Young Justice sometime.

It would be no exaggeration to say that there's a very good chance that Michael Reaves had a hand in your childhood pastimes, and mine as well. Whether you grew up on his Star Wars novels, or the standout episodes of any show he worked on, you likely saw the rich character writing and engaging storytelling that he was capable of. And while his capacity to produce work of that quality was cut tragically short by physical hurdles he couldn't control, in that short time he still lent his craft to some of my favorite stories I remember immersing myself in as a kid...stories that will likely enrapture countless other kids and adults for years to come.

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The highlights are that Bo-Katan managed to earn the trust of the crazy helmet squad, and she confessed to her battle chaplain that she saw the Mythosaur back on Mandalore. That, and the kid from the season opening was Paz Vizsla's son.
The fuck is a mythosaur? And who is paz rizla?
 
@Mississippi Motorboater Weep not for EU authors who passed away. They died in peace and are in a better place now with the Lord. Weep for the modern SW fanbase which gets excited at the slightest whiff of nostalgia.

The fuck is a mythosaur? And who is paz rizla?
The mythosaur is that monster whose skull is emblazoned on so many Mandalorian symbols. Bo saw a live one on episode 2's ending. Paz is the big guy in blue armor who wields a minigun.
 
I'm a bit late on this announcement, but there's been some more sad news, and for the first time in weeks, it has nothing to do with any misguided decisions by Disney.

Prolific Expanded Universe author and longtime animated series writer Michael Reaves has passed away. He was 73 years old.

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Reaves is sadly one of many EU contributors to have passed away in recent years, along with Tom Veitch and Dave Wolverton. And just like those two late authors, Disney and LFL have either failed or neglected to publish any sort of eulogy on their site, or any form of social media...so it again falls to fans to mourn his loss, and celebrate his achievements.

Michael Reaves' tenure with the EU wasn't as extensive as someone like, say, Allston or Watson or Ostrander/Duursema, or whose contributions were early staples a la Zahn or Stackpole. But his work nevertheless shines as some of the most underrated SW literature that brought a sense of grit, texture, and sophistication to its universe and characters. Where Zahn excelled in military sci-fi, the X-Wing Author Duo specialized in dogfighting heroics, Stover excelled in character studies, and Golden in fantastical world-building...Reaves, by contrast, brought raw hard-boiled street level storytelling to the setting, filled with heated pursuits, games of intrigue, brutal deaths, and compelling characters, often cloaked in the shadowy criminal underworld of the Star Wars universe. Yes, that setting that shows like Mandalorian and Andor are both acclaimed for exploring? Reaves did it first, and better, almost twenty years ago.

Like Jude Watson, he would gain a cult following by using his own little corner of the EU to utilize recurring characters and plotlines even books set decades apart. And just like Watson, his books were largely rooted in the early 2000's novel boom of the Prequel era. One of his most notable book is the brooding and nail-bitingly tense Darth Maul solo book, called Shadow Hunter. This book dealt in an untold chase story set just prior to The Phantom Menace, wherein Palpatine is putting the finishing touches on executing his Naboo Blockade Plans, only for a traitorous Neimoidian to race to the Coruscant streets to sell his knowledge of the plan to the highest bidder in the undercity black market. What follows is Maul's brutal assassination mission to track him down, as more innocents and bystander characters get roped in, and find themselves in the crossfire of the Sith Warrior's deadly mission.

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This book would put Reaves on the map for many fans, who reveled in his seedy depiction of the Coruscant underworld, employing the mood and stylings of doom-laden and morbid noir films, as well as managing to capture the cold-blooded, calculated essence of Maul's character just as well as the Ron Marz comic published one year earlier.

Reaves would also gain plenty of fame, and even bring many of the characters and concepts from Shadow Hunter back, in his contribution to the beloved Clone Wars Multimedia Project, the Medstar Duology.
A great loss. Reaves was one of my favorite Star Wars authors and showed how you do a pet character and narrative insert right in the form I-5 (if only Filoni had taken notes), can't go wrong with a smart-alecky swiss army sidekick. And the Medstar Duology is one of my favorite spinoffs and gave some much needed love and exploration to Barris Offee's character and experiences which were sadly overshadowed by the orange coomers in the fanbase thanks to Furloni's invasive faggotry and insisting on using Barris as the sacrificial lamb to protect Ahsoka from George (heck it sometimes felt like Furloni was purposely trying to dismiss and dunk on all of Reaves works whenever possible out of any other author). Another great thing about his novels is that they're mostly character driven and don't put emphasis on combat feats and superweapons, and his novels are all directly connected with one another, especially Coruscant Nights as a lynchpin which is another great read.

RIP Reaves, you will be missed.

For anyone interested, you can read most of his works at Archive.org.

There are some novels missing like the first MedStar book, but I can post a pdf here (or in a DM) if anyone wants it.
 
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