Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

All this is proving to me is that I was right on Mando eventually sucking and so just feel happy I didn't waste hours watching stuff that would just turn to slop.

Still telling that ADD Dave seems to have a lot more control for no reason this season. The lack of a plot is very much his calling card. As well as ramming his shitty B-lister Mando Waifu down your throats too.
No reason? Dave's fanboys are a large part of the fandom these days. Of course they'd give him a wide berth.

Sure, he's filled both the Bad Batch and Mandalorian shows with filler episodes that depict both the Empire and the New Republic acting like self-destructive morons, but the normies eat it all up like it's their plate of steak and collared greens, so they roll with it. The voices criticizing Filoni are slowly increasing and becoming bolder in places like Youtube, but for every Filoni-hater, you have more people following him or being big Ahsoka/TCW fans.
 
You realize none of this shit matters,it'll be retconned or ignored the minute Furloni's waifu needs screen time or it runs counter to pro-tranny narratives. The people giving disney space in their brain, not mention dollars for streaming, is sad.

Fucking consoomers.
All this is proving to me is that I was right on Mando eventually sucking and so just feel happy I didn't waste hours watching stuff that would just turn to slop.

Still telling that ADD Dave seems to have a lot more control for no reason this season. The lack of a plot is very much his calling card. As well as ramming his shitty B-lister Mando Waifu down your throats too.

It's a fucking twenty minute cartoon, Jon Favreau was never going to put in the kindof effort long term needed.

Faggot Filoni was going to pull his Clone Warz bullshit.
 
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I cant reply to to imperator but it reminded me of a neat fanfic where general grievous prematurely killed Anakin and palatine. Which turned into a complete shit show as the war went off the rails and become even more violent. So much that some Jedi defected to grievous. (Admittedly have not read it, but the TV tropes description was interesting, I'll have to track it down)
 
I cant reply to to imperator but it reminded me of a neat fanfic where general grievous prematurely killed Anakin and palatine. Which turned into a complete shit show as the war went off the rails and become even more violent. So much that some Jedi defected to grievous. (Admittedly have not read it, but the TV tropes description was interesting, I'll have to track it down)
As evil as he was, Palpatine was the glue that held the galaxy together. He kept the Clone Wars stable and kept it on a winning streak for the Republic, preserving key assets like Anakin while getting as many Jedi and Separatist leaders killed as was humanly possible to lay the groundwork for the Empire, kind of like how Revan used the Mandalorian Wars to kill both the Mandalorians and the Jedi and Republic soldiers who weren't loyal to him to lay the groundwork for his own empire.

Take Palpatine away, and the Republic Senate would likely fall back into infighting between those who want a strong government and the Delegation of 2000 who want to return things to the way they were prior to Phantom Menace. Maybe one can argue that Padme could've taken his place, but that would have been a long shot. That, and the Confederacy will just go full-tilt and keep sending droids until the Republic collapses. With no Vader to assassinate the Sep leaders and shut down the droid army, the war will keep on going, until the Republic falls or galactic society collapses into a new dark age.

The only way for the Jedi to have won would have been to destroy Palpatine's political capital first, by leaking news of him being the Sith who manipulated both sides of the war, before moving to arrest or kill him, and once that's done, the Jedi should pursue efforts to negotiate a peace deal with the Separatists, perhaps even recognize them as an independent state and draw a border line where both sides get their half of the galaxy and work with the other side. But at most, it'll be like the Cold War between the Sith Empire and the Republic back in SWTOR, where you have two nations that look at the other with suspicious eyes while putting on a token effort to keep the peace.
 
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I cant reply to to imperator but it reminded me of a neat fanfic where general grievous prematurely killed Anakin and palatine. Which turned into a complete shit show as the war went off the rails and become even more violent. So much that some Jedi defected to grievous. (Admittedly have not read it, but the TV tropes description was interesting, I'll have to track it down)
Here’s the TV Tropes page for A Single Decision. Has the like to its fanfiction.net page. Looks interesting, apparently the author wrote it to be more in line with the description of the conflict in the Clone Wars Multimedia project than in Filoni Wars. Blends both EU and Disney, though I’m not aware of the extent as I haven’t read it yet.
 
Random tangent: Something I've found annoying about Filoni Wars is how much they nerfed Arc Troopers. In the lore, those guys are supercommandos and can take down whole seperatist operations with anywhere from 1-3 soldiers. Then you watch TCW and they're literally just fodder like the other clones, but with fancier armor. I was watching the old 2003 Clone Wars a little while back and I remembered that, in addition to introducing the concept of ARCs, they're also one of the absolute best things about that show. Almost feels intentional to make them ineffective in the new stuff.

You know who didn't get nerfed? Clone Commandos. They walk around with all the prestige and cool factor they had in the old stuff. Me thinks there was some bias in the writing.
 

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Random tangent: Something I've found annoying about Filoni Wars is how much they nerfed Arc Troopers. In the lore, those guys are supercommandos and can take down whole seperatist operations with anywhere from 1-3 soldiers. Then you watch TCW and they're literally just fodder like the other clones, but with fancier armor. I was watching the old 2003 Clone Wars a little while back and I remembered that, in addition to introducing the concept of ARCs, they're also one of the absolute best things about that show. Almost feels intentional to make them ineffective in the new stuff.

You know who didn't get nerfed? Clone Commandos. They walk around with all the prestige and cool factor they had in the old stuff. Me thinks there was some bias in the writing.

Not just nerfed. They neutered their personalities.

ARCs were batshit hardcases. Its fucking brainchips. Sand down nuance because bad guys are all bad guyz
 
Filoni's interpretation of the Clone Wars made everyone and everything worse, so him nerfing the ARC's where the 2003 version rightfully depicted their might and prowess as soldiers isn't much of a surprise.

Speaking of the superior 2003 cartoon, I finally get the topical segue to post these....
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Filoni's interpretation of the Clone Wars made everyone and everything worse, so him nerfing the ARC's where the 2003 version rightfully depicted their might and prowess as soldiers isn't much of a surprise.

Speaking of the superior 2003 cartoon, I finally get the topical segue to post these....
Enjoy some fanmade art of classic imagery from the films, rendered in the glorious Genndy Wars aesthetic for your viewing pleasure:
Do you have the name of the artist who made these?
 
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Random tangent: Something I've found annoying about Filoni Wars is how much they nerfed Arc Troopers. In the lore, those guys are supercommandos and can take down whole seperatist operations with anywhere from 1-3 soldiers. Then you watch TCW and they're literally just fodder like the other clones, but with fancier armor. I was watching the old 2003 Clone Wars a little while back and I remembered that, in addition to introducing the concept of ARCs, they're also one of the absolute best things about that show. Almost feels intentional to make them ineffective in the new stuff.

You know who didn't get nerfed? Clone Commandos. They walk around with all the prestige and cool factor they had in the old stuff. Me thinks there was some bias in the writing.
They recycled the sound fx too from the game and went so far as to buff the pea shooter DC-17 blaster attachment to be as effective as a DMR and take out Supers in 1-3 hits. In game it would take at least 2-4 mags all in the crit spots even after the armor was blown off. They were a genuine threat of mass produced walking tanks that even gave commandos a tough time 1 v 4. Compared to FIloniwars where they may as well be wind up toys walking in a straight line out in the open for every single battle.

There was also limited energy shielding built into the SBD's in the form of wrist shielding. Its shown off in some trailers but is so rare to proc in game that it may as well be cut content. anything can throw it out of the animation state of using them as a thermal det lands at their feet.
 
Random tangent: Something I've found annoying about Filoni Wars is how much they nerfed Arc Troopers. In the lore, those guys are supercommandos and can take down whole seperatist operations with anywhere from 1-3 soldiers. Then you watch TCW and they're literally just fodder like the other clones, but with fancier armor. I was watching the old 2003 Clone Wars a little while back and I remembered that, in addition to introducing the concept of ARCs, they're also one of the absolute best things about that show. Almost feels intentional to make them ineffective in the new stuff.

You know who didn't get nerfed? Clone Commandos. They walk around with all the prestige and cool factor they had in the old stuff. Me thinks there was some bias in the writing.
Then you haven't seen Bad Batch. The Clone Commandos are mere mauve-shirts, little better than the regular grunt; a far cry from the glory days of the Republic Commando game where they were the closest thing the Republic had to UNSC Spartan-3s.
 
They recycled the sound fx too from the game and went so far as to buff the pea shooter DC-17 blaster attachment to be as effective as a DMR and take out Supers in 1-3 hits. In game it would take at least 2-4 mags all in the crit spots even after the armor was blown off. They were a genuine threat of mass produced walking tanks that even gave commandos a tough time 1 v 4. Compared to FIloniwars where they may as well be wind up toys walking in a straight line out in the open for every single battle.

There was also limited energy shielding built into the SBD's in the form of wrist shielding. Its shown off in some trailers but is so rare to proc in game that it may as well be cut content. anything can throw it out of the animation state of using them as a thermal det lands at their feet.
To clarify, the wrist shields were like the ones durge used after obi wan disarmed him in tarakovsky’s series.
 
Filoni's interpretation of the Clone Wars made everyone and everything worse, so him nerfing the ARC's where the 2003 version rightfully depicted their might and prowess as soldiers isn't much of a surprise.

Speaking of the superior 2003 cartoon, I finally get the topical segue to post these....
Enjoy some fanmade art of classic imagery from the films, rendered in the glorious Genndy Wars aesthetic for your viewing pleasure:
It will never not be a wasted opportunity that they never remade at least ROTS in that art style or finally made a rebellion series where everyone doesn't get to play jump rope with sides of the war.

The rare case being force commander doing the whole turncoat thing right where the protagonist sits in a jail cell for a while after defecting from the empire and is rightly scrutinized and interrogated by the rebels who don't automatically trust him at all.
 
They recycled the sound fx too from the game and went so far as to buff the pea shooter DC-17 blaster attachment to be as effective as a DMR and take out Supers in 1-3 hits. In game it would take at least 2-4 mags all in the crit spots even after the armor was blown off. They were a genuine threat of mass produced walking tanks that even gave commandos a tough time 1 v 4. Compared to FIloniwars where they may as well be wind up toys walking in a straight line out in the open for every single battle.

There was also limited energy shielding built into the SBD's in the form of wrist shielding. Its shown off in some trailers but is so rare to proc in game that it may as well be cut content. anything can throw it out of the animation state of using them as a thermal det lands at their feet.
SBDs were heavy shock infantry. It's like Hunters from Halo, except with no weak points. And those energy shields of theirs are real. Toss a few thermal detonators their way and you'll see them.
 
SBDs were heavy shock infantry. It's like Hunters from Halo, except with no weak points. And those energy shields of theirs are real. Toss a few thermal detonators their way and you'll see them.
Republic commando was one of the rare games that does damage components well. Like halo's vehicles but applied to mechanical characters.
You could shoot off pieces of armor and for SBD's it would be like watching the hood of a car pop off and the oddly colored rusty B1's that are never explained had a few states where they would start shooting randomly like in the geonosis arena of episode 2. The droidekas just have shoulderpads that pop off sometimes and trando mercs have explosive backpacks for some reason.

The only weak spot on the B2 was the exposed circuitry underneath. Didn't help much and it could even play dead and fight as a torso if its legs were disabled. Something that seldom ever happened in filoniwars. Was also silly how you could walk up to droidekas and melee them to death without getting disintegrated by their shields or anything. Filoni wars did do them justice by showing anything slower than a fired projectile can pass through the outer shield unharmed.

(fun fact, if you noclip above the first level on Geonosis, you can see the entire trench area takes place in the geonosis arena, so it wasn't "missing" from the game files like the discordniggers on TCRF and elsewhere claim. It just doesn't take place at the same time as the jedi were rescued as was originally planned.)
 
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It will never not be a wasted opportunity that they never remade at least ROTS in that art style
I'm of the opinion that Revenge of the Sith doesn't need to get remade, in any animation style. Having an expanded version of the story would be neat, but honestly, that's what the novelization is for. It had the added benefit of including ideas Lucas deemed too philosophical, dark or mature for the movie-going audiences, as well as providing literary boons like inner character monologues, extra layers of world-building exposition, and other things that would make for a slow film, but an engaging read.

Despite what many consoomer clowns in the modern fandom will tell you, live-action and animated content are not the definitive mediums for good Star Wars storytelling. Plenty of things work better as a novel, as the nature of prose and the pacing of a printed work can allow narrative elements that would be impossible to convey in a more tangible medium.

A.C. Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy is a perfect example of how a character's life history can work better conveyed in print as a series of deliberately-paced books, instead of having it all mangled into an anemic runtime and through rushed, contrived scenarios...which is precisely what Solo: A Star Wars Story did.
 
I'm of the opinion that Revenge of the Sith doesn't need to get remade, in any animation style. Having an expanded version of the story would be neat, but honestly, that's what the novelization is for. It had the added benefit of including ideas Lucas deemed too philosophical, dark or mature for the movie-going audiences, as well as providing literary boons like inner character monologues, extra layers of world-building exposition, and other things that would make for a slow film, but an engaging read.

Despite what many consoomer clowns in the modern fandom will tell you, live-action and animated content are not the definitive mediums for good Star Wars storytelling. Plenty of things work better as a novel, as the nature of prose and the pacing of a printed work can allow narrative elements that would be impossible to convey in a more tangible medium.

A.C. Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy is a perfect example of how a character's life history can work better conveyed in print as a series of deliberately-paced books, instead of having it all mangled into an anemic runtime and through rushed, contrived scenarios...which is precisely what Solo: A Star Wars Story did.
There is no discussion in the modern fandom. Its just ban happy discordniggers in most places.

The EAW modding community is full of that shit and is why the modern state is 90% "sub-mods" which are just small edits to mods other actual modders made over a decade ago. Edits that are using community shared assets given from generous people that the lazy bastards are trying to take credit for. Its heresy to even suggest making your own stuff. Its a complete shitshow of doomers larping with demoralization propaganda while consooming the latest disney crap and trying to force it into older mods while burying the original versions.

Yeah the movies are more geared towards general audiences than any particular demographic. You certainly get a lot more time in written text to explain things and pace things out versus 1-3 hours in a movie to get to the point. Even moreso when it comes to the dialog heavy adventure games like Kotor. Its always the best when they follow through with elements they introduce early on and keep relevant throughout the story regardless of the medium. Like something as simple as armor mods and canderous saying to wait for his mods to kick in after an explosion on the harbinger bridge. Since health regen armor mods are a thing you can use in kotor 2. Or Kreia and her discussion of the council's hubris, and then seeing that firsthand later on.
 
I'm gonna call bullshit on this one. Simply because, just imagine what would've happened if Anakin didn't stop Windu.

Imagine if you will, a scenario where Anakin just bugged out after Mace told him to wait in the Jedi Council Chamber. He goes off, takes Padme and the droids, and he fucks off to Naboo or something, leaving the whole war and the Jedi Order behind to raise his kids. Windu goes over to Sidious with his strike team, Sidious puts up a good fight and kills the team, but Windu with his Vapaad mastery wins the day and Sidious dies. What happens after that?

The movie has established that the Senate LOVES Palpatine. So much so that they kept voting him in, FDR-style, despite the fact that his term limits are up. What exactly do you think will happen to the Jedi Order once the Senate hears that a Jedi High Councilor just killed their beloved Chancellor? They'll go nuts. Not only will they not believe the Jedi when the Jedi accuse Palpatine of being a Sith, they will issue Order 66 themselves, seeing Windu's assassination of Palpatine as a naked grab for power. And the clones, being the obedient little children that they are, (they're literally 10-year-olds in the bodies of adults) will wipe out the Jedi Order.

Windu and the other Jedi on Coruscant will get overwhelmed and slaughtered by the 501st and the Coruscant Guard, the former of whom were already planning to wipe out the Jedi, the latter were zealously loyal to Palpatine. You'll still get the same Order 66 montage of the Jedi getting wiped out from across the galaxy, and whatever few survivors are forced into hiding. Sure, Obi-Wan and Yoda can stage a counterattack to Coruscant, but what will they be going after? The Senate? What, will they hold whoever gets elected to replace Palpatine hostage and have them rescind Order 66? That would just add more fuel to the fire and prove to the Senate that the Jedi were trying to take over illegally. That will just fuel the people's hatred for the Jedi and make them hate the Jedi even more.

The only difference is that, with Palpatine dead and Anakin gone, no one is there to assassinate the Separatist leaders. They're still on Mustafar, awaiting orders. And when they realize Sidious is gone, they'll just do whatever they can to keep their power, but with the Republic being more focused on hunting the Jedi, the Seps will have some breathing room, especially with their quintillions of droids still active. But here's the kicker: the Seps HATE THE JEDI. For years, they've seen the Jedi as the toadies of the Coruscant elite. So there's no way the Jedi remnants can hide out with them, especially with the likes of Gunray and the other Jedi-hating Sep leaders still being alive.

At most, some of them might allow some Jedi to defect to the Separatists, IF they promise to be good little toadies and serve their needs; I can see someone like Wat Tambor allowing a few Jedi to seek refuge in Techno Union territory so long as they bend the knee and serve, but most Separatist citizens hated the Jedi even before the Clone Wars, so most of them won't accept Jedi refugees, and will more than likely shoot them on sight.

And the third and most worrying thing of all is that the Republic might die. Without Palpatine to hold them back, the Seps will just vote to keep the war going, and eventually, Kamino won't be able to keep up producing clones for the Senate whereas the droid foundries within Sep space can and will keep farting out droids. Which eventually will lead to the Republic slowly collapsing and falling to the Sep leaders. Get ready for a galaxy controlled by corporate kleptocrats who will rape and pillage worlds for resources and slaves. Basically the Empire, but imagine them having even more endless amounts of soldiers thanks to their droid armies. So basically, the Rebellion would be even more fucked because they're not dealing with a human army that gets tired or has people defect from it, but rather, they're dealing with an endless tide of droids that don't get tired, don't need a break, and will keep coming until the enemy is dead.

Either that, or the Separatists might reach a compromise with the Republic, but both sides will still be corrupt; you'll have Palpatine's supporters on the Republic side, and the corrupt corporate leaders on the Separatist side. Imagine them forming a new state together; neither side will be favorable to the Jedi or to people who don't want a strong, overbearing government. Tarkin and his mates will crush any dissent within Republic space, while the Trade Federation and other corporate bodies will ensure that any dissent in Confederate space gets squashed. Which means that again, any future rebel movement will be even more fucked than they would be under Palpatine.

Really, galactic liberty died when Mace Windu made that ill-fated assassination attempt. The right move would have been to investigate Anakin's claims so that you'd get proof, or at the very least, leak it to the Senate. Palpatine's top man, the Hero with No Fear, accuses him of being the Sith Lord who's been playing both sides against each other? That would destroy Palpatine's political capital, especially given how it's Anakin making the accusation; everyone knows that the two of them are close friends and Anakin is a strong supporter of the Chancellor. So it's damn near impossible to dismiss that charge as baloney.

Leaking Anakin's accusation to the Senate will cause chaos and sow distrust among Palpatine's loyal senators, and it will give Bail Organa, the Delegation of 2000, and other senators who have their doubts about the Chancellor some much-needed ammo. Padme would obviously back up her husband's claims, knowing him to be an honest man, and that would be another sore spot; Padme is Palpatine's former master when she was Queen of Naboo and he was just one of her advisors.

Eventually, the Senate will move to strip Palpatine of his powers and detain him so they can investigate the matter. If Palpatine tries to use the clone army against the Senate, that would also end badly, since as Bail Organa said in EPIII, too many systems are too well-armed, and the clones themselves are already getting stretched thin fighting the CIS. Once the Senate finds enough evidence (Labyrinth of Evil shows that it's possible to figure out the truth about Palpatine with some detailed investigations) they'll issue Order 65, and have the Chancellor executed. And sure, Palpatine might be able to put up a decent fight, but I'm sure a turbolaser blast from a Venator can atomize him and end the threat.

Mace Windu is more disciplined and wiser than Anakin, able to use the Dark Side without falling to it. But at the end of the day, he shared more than a few negative traits with Anakin, that being his hot-headed eagerness to end the threat, without looking at the consequences. At the end of the day, Mace Windu is just as much a loose canon as Anakin Skywalker is, and his actions, along with Anakin's, doomed the Republic and the Jedi Order.

My issue with your "investigation" hypothesis is that, like we see with real life, you could have a ship worth's of evidence and it kind of didnt matter anymore. The senate loved the shit out of Palpatine (and those that didnt were held by the balls since he owns the most of the political, military and banking sectors now).

Sure, you could say the evidence and plus Anakin's word would have at least made a very few turn to the Delegation of 2000 but it still wouldnt have made any difference. Palpatine held all the cards. The Senate would just choose not to believe it and claim its all separatist conspiracy theories against their democracy (sounding familiar?)

I agree that Mace shouldnt have done a B-line towards Palpatine tho, that was an ill advised impulsive move that Yoda probably would have talked him out of if he was there. But I understand Mace's logic at least, deal with the snake's head and the rest would theorically fall apart, right? I think part of him realised that the order was now in a no win situation after this, the status quo would be changed forever, but he at least prefered the version of events of which Palpatine wasnt around anymore to possibly make things even worse for the Jedi.

My point is that, arrest, assassination or investigation, wouldnt have mattered. The moment Palpy became Chancellor, it was over for the Jedi Order, especially since they were so involved with politics now. Mace was impulsive, sure, but you could say he at least wanted to make sure Palpatine paid for the lives he took through all of this pointless conflict. He is still human, afterall.
 
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