The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

Obviously Chugger refuses to communicate with me directly again.
It's more interesting talking to ChatGPT tbh . And ChatGPT doesn't have a family that it could be spending time with instead, so I don't have that to feel guilty about either.
Very convincing link.

I suggest everyone follow it so they have their mind blown.

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David Irving changed his position on the gas chambers while he was in police custody for holocaust denial. He pled guilty, but the judge said he did not believe Irving had genuinely recanted. Why do you believe he did?

I'm not sure about Irving's exact conversion timeline, but he's never moved off his position that mass gassings did not take place at Auschwitz. I also believe he's still an open anti-semite, and a proponent of the theory that the Jewish elite intentionally provoked the Nazis into killing millions to garner support for Zionism or whatever.

I know that during the Lipstadt lawsuit he believed most of the Jews deported to the Reinhard camps died one way or another, that mass gassing operations were taking place at Chelmno, and that millions died overall, so his views haven't changed very much since then.

Anyway, here's a working link (see above for the full exchange where you accuse me of trying to trick you, familiar story ) https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-holocaust-thread.68380/post-10694726
 
A bit off-topic but I thought my new piece on Hitler's economic policies might interest some of you, insofar as it debunks "Third Positionist" nonsense about Hitler's economic policies (views I suspect zo shares).


By the way Zo I am preparing a comprehensive YouTube response to Faulk/Sanning.
 
Lolberts are faggots. Commies are faggots. You are an utter niggerfaggot.

BTW I always like to dig up on you shills (Hi ;)) and recently I stumbled across a janny on plebbit.
He's extremly obsessed with WWII and making endless posts, just like you. At first I thought it was a bot.
Two gorillion updoots: https://www.reddit.com/user/lightiggy/

Looked up his username, and this is him:
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Why the fuck do shitskins obsess over history that has nothing to do with them?! Has to be the indoctrination or just classic seething over whites.
It's like me pretending that I know all about the great raja singh poo in loo empire, just by paraphrasing some shitty online blog.

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

Now I'm really curious who "Chugger" is...
 
A bit off-topic but I thought my new piece on Hitler's economic policies might interest some of you, insofar as it debunks "Third Positionist" nonsense about Hitler's economic policies (views I suspect zo shares).


By the way Zo I am preparing a comprehensive YouTube response to Faulk/Sanning.
The worst economic policy they had was banning the important research being done at the famous Magnus Hirschfeld's Institut für Sexualwissenschaft just because it was full of Jews. They set back the dickgirl sex industry and the science (I'd say it's more of an art) of mutilating the mentally ill by decades. It's a booming industry now and Germany could've gotten in at the ground floor if only the Nazis weren't so jealous of Jews for being so good at science. What a bunch of fucking goobers.
 
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It's more interesting talking to ChatGPT tbh . And ChatGPT doesn't have a family that it could be spending time with instead, so I don't have that to feel guilty about either.


I'm not sure about Irving's exact conversion timeline, but he's never moved off his position that mass gassings did not take place at Auschwitz. I also believe he's still an open anti-semite, and a proponent of the theory that the Jewish elite intentionally provoked the Nazis into killing millions to garner support for Zionism or whatever.

I know that during the Lipstadt lawsuit he believed most of the Jews deported to the Reinhard camps died one way or another, that mass gassing operations were taking place at Chelmno, and that millions died overall, so his views haven't changed very much since then.

Anyway, here's a working link (see above for the full exchange where you accuse me of trying to trick you, familiar story ) https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-holocaust-thread.68380/post-10694726

We could discuss many various topics in a friendly manner but because I don't give holocaust peddling as a theory any credence whatsoever you don't really want to discuss anything with me.

Nevertheless, despite everything that has been said, the door is still open. Any topic at all. Holocaust or whatever.

A bit off-topic but I thought my new piece on Hitler's economic policies might interest some of you, insofar as it debunks "Third Positionist" nonsense about Hitler's economic policies (views I suspect zo shares).


By the way Zo I am preparing a comprehensive YouTube response to Faulk/Sanning.

At first glance the essay you write is the standard drivel from marxists and holocaust peddlers about Hitler. But im open to discussion.

Anyone reading this can access much more information here;


Lolberts are faggots. Commies are faggots. You are an utter niggerfaggot.

BTW I always like to dig up on you shills (Hi ;)) and recently I stumbled across a janny on plebbit.
He's extremly obsessed with WWII and making endless posts, just like you. At first I thought it was a bot.
Two gorillion updoots: https://www.reddit.com/user/lightiggy/

Looked up his username, and this is him:
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Why the fuck do shitskins obsess over history that has nothing to do with them?! Has to be the indoctrination or just classic seething over whites.
It's like me pretending that I know all about the great raja singh poo in loo empire, just by paraphrasing some shitty online blog.

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

Now I'm really curious who "Chugger" is...

We already know who history speaks is, Matthew cockerill. A supposed Egyptian Coptic who takes an interest in defeating revisionist work. We have lengthy videos of him.

Chugger not so much. Chances of small hattery are reasonable but more likely he's a smug libtard with communist leanings and an ethnic heritage from eastern Europe. But we'll never find out.
 
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When they continually refuse to produce even half of the 6 million corpses they insist must exist, I stopped caring. Chugger and the rest are just posting and reporting the same deflections and denials over and over again. It is tiresome and not very productive.
 
Lolberts are faggots. Commies are faggots. You are an utter niggerfaggot.

BTW I always like to dig up on you shills (Hi ;)) and recently I stumbled across a janny on plebbit.
He's extremly obsessed with WWII and making endless posts, just like you. At first I thought it was a bot.
Two gorillion updoots: https://www.reddit.com/user/lightiggy/

Looked up his username, and this is him:
View attachment 4871773

Why the fuck do shitskins obsess over history that has nothing to do with them?! Has to be the indoctrination or just classic seething over whites.
It's like me pretending that I know all about the great raja singh poo in loo empire, just by paraphrasing some shitty online blog.

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

Now I'm really curious who "Chugger" is...
Because affirming the liberal dogma - part of which is the obsession with WW2, and the Holocaust, and that whole era as being like some sort of magical birth of modernity - is a status signal; and the various mud ethnicity, love their status signalling.
 
When they continually refuse to produce even half of the 6 million corpses they insist must exist, I stopped caring.
Great, by this logic any country should be able to get away with genocide as long as they destroy most of the bodies of their victims.

We could discuss many various topics in a friendly manner but because I don't give holocaust peddling as a theory any credence whatsoever you don't really want to discuss anything with me.

Nevertheless, despite everything that has been said, the door is still open. Any topic at all. Holocaust or whatever.
I'm not sure if you realize this but we've exchanged probably hundreds of messages over the past year. Most of this was debating your self-proclaimed 'strongest evidence against the mainstream story', namely that German steps taken to preserve the lives of Jewish forced laborers was evidence that there was no generalized killing program.

You're boring to talk to because you so often link back to some Codoh thread or article instead of making the case yourself. If you don't have an original thought, you should at least paraphrase so I can know what your exact arguments are.

Nevertheless, if you want to continue with me, you can address the following questions in your own words.

Do you agree with leading revisionists Mattogno/Graf/Kues that millions of Jews were resettled in occupied USSR, the majority of which were unfit for work?
In the past you stated there was some evidence of resettlement, so in this case can you describe (with witness or documentary evidence) what happened to some of the Jews during their resettlement in German occupied USSR?
If there is no direct documentary or witness evidence of resettlement in German occupied USSR, how does this jibe with the very high level of documentary and witness evidence for a much smaller amount of Jews being resettled in Romanian occupied USSR, or the Nazis resettling the 100k Poles of Zamosc?
 
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Great, by this logic any country should be able to get away with genocide as long as they destroy most of the bodies of their victims.
You can't even produce a tenth of the number you've claimed, dipshit.

But if a nation can disintegrate 6 million corpses while fighting a two front war maybe they deserve to get away with it, since they are masters of magic.
 
You can't even produce a tenth of the number you've claimed, dipshit.

But if a nation can disintegrate 6 million corpses while fighting a two front war maybe they deserve to get away with it, since they are masters of magic.
Hitler should really have used the phaser banks from his captured Galaxy Class Federation Warship for something more war pertinent than corpse disposal.
 
You can't even produce a tenth of the number you've claimed, dipshit.
Soviets excavated many holocaust mass graves with photographic evidence which you will always be skeptical of, because who says they were Jews?
But if a nation can disintegrate 6 million corpses while fighting a two front war maybe they deserve to get away with it, since they are masters of magic.
Using figures provided to me by a denier, I showed here that destroying 6 million bodies (which no historian believes happened) would consume .5% of a single years worth of gasoline production. Since the bodies were destroyed over a period of years this would mean the Germans were devoting a relatively miniscule portion of their resources (they also used coal and timber which were much more abundant than oil) to covering up one of the most egregious crimes in human history.

You're out of your element here, stick to moon resettlement fan fic.
 
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Soviets excavated many holocaust mass graves with photographic evidence which you will always be skeptical of, because who says they were Jews?

The Soviets that have a history of manufacturing false evidence? Excuse me for being dubious of Soviet 'evidence' that doesn't have any forensic testing or trustworthy chains of custody.

I showed here that destroying 6 million bodies (which no historian believes happened) would consume .5% of a single years worth of gasoline production. Since the bodies were destroyed over a period of years this would mean the Germans were devoting a relatively miniscule portion of their resources (they also used coal and timber which were much more abundant than oil) to covering up one of the most egregious crimes in human history.
We went over this about a dozen times between you and History Speaks, you can't explain where all the resources necessary without assuming that bodies burn like dry newspaper. Just give it up.
 
The Soviets that have a history of manufacturing false evidence? Excuse me for being dubious of Soviet 'evidence' that doesn't have any forensic testing or trustworthy chains of custody.
Like most authoritarian governments the Soviets lied to their citizens in public statements and in the state media. They also suppressed information and used coded language when describing crimes they committed in documents. But this is different than "manufacturing false evidence". For what exactly? What examples do you have?
We went over this about a dozen times between you and History Speaks, you can't explain where all the resources necessary without assuming that bodies burn like dry newspaper. Just give it up.

Bodies burn like bodies. The denier I was talking to in the other thread looked at cremation figures and extrapolated 15 million gallons would be necessary to burn 6 million 100 pound bodies.

what does "where all the resources necessary" mean? yeah you can probably win this argument if you stop speaking comprehensible English. If you mean where all the resources necessary 'came from' , this would be German stockpiles. As I showed in the post they were producing 10 million gallons per day. Destroying 3 million bodies would take less than a days worth. Even if fuel consumption was 5x greater than the denier quoted me, it would be doable for the Nazis and that's also assuming gasoline was the only combustant used.

You give up, your artistic talent is going to waste. I was gonna mock you on how you always disappear very quickly after I start challenging you, but honestly this is a good move. Don't waste your time on this stuff.
 
Soviets excavated many holocaust mass graves with photographic evidence which you will always be skeptical of, because who says they were Jews?

Using figures provided to me by a denier, I showed here that destroying 6 million bodies (which no historian believes happened) would consume .5% of a single years worth of gasoline production. Since the bodies were destroyed over a period of years this would mean the Germans were devoting a relatively miniscule portion of their resources (they also used coal and timber which were much more abundant than oil) to covering up one of the most egregious crimes in human history.

You're out of your element here, stick to moon resettlement fan fic.


Indeed, who says who they are at all ?

Im not sure if you realize this but we've exchanged probably hundreds of messages over the past year. Most of this was debating your self-proclaimed 'strongest evidence against the mainstream story', namely that German steps taken to preserve the lives of Jewish forced laborers was evidence that there was no generalized killing program.

You're boring to talk to because you so often link back to some Codoh thread or article instead of making the case yourself. If you don't have an original thought, you should at least paraphrase so I can know what your exact arguments are.

Nevertheless, if you want to continue with me, you can address the following questions in your own words.

Do you agree with leading revisionists Mattogno/Graf/Kues that millions of Jews were resettled in occupied USSR, the majority of which were unfit for work?



In the past you stated there was some evidence of resettlement, so in this case can you describe (with witness or documentary evidence) what happened to some of the Jews during their resettlement in German occupied USSR?



If there is no direct documentary or witness evidence of resettlement in German occupied USSR, how does this jibe with the very high level of documentary and witness evidence for a much smaller amount of Jews being resettled in Romanian occupied USSR, or the Nazis resettling the 100k Poles of Zamosc?

1/ Yes indeed german preservation of Jewish lives was a central point of the argument and it remains irrefutable. A generalised killing programme is a deeply silly idea.

2/ I present a number of arguments myself and present numerous argument examples from codoh. I try to avoid passing off something someone else said as my own. There is no particular need to present an original thought from me as this subject is very old and has been well worked on. You seem to find disputing revisionist points on codoh troublesome, and avoid questions I have for you. But perhaps we can get into more interesting stuff.

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a. Please explain why I should answer these resettlement questions when this has already been covered to your and everyone's satisfaction on this thread?

b. Rapechu showed people being moved to Stutthof just as you asked for. Which you accept already.

c. The general argument goes that Jews were shipped east to ghettos that became increasingly radicalised and therefore were increasingly broken up before soviet forces came through in any case therefore Germany instead kept its Jews for the war effort. This makes sense from a number of different angles. You already implicitly accept this.

d. You refuse to defend the alleged killing methods of pesticide and engine fumes, you accept the large typhus death tolls. You accept the german efforts to save Jews.

e. You have made some argument that Germany could disappear alot of bodies easily but make no reference to revisionists work here dealing with specifics to places such as Auschwitz? Are you aware of that work?

Like most authoritarian governments the Soviets lied to their citizens in public statements and in the state media. They also suppressed information and used coded language when describing crimes they committed in documents. But this is different than "manufacturing false evidence". For what exactly? What examples do you have?

What do you mean, for what? You already know this.

The Jeager report seems a good example.


Bodies burn like bodies. The denier I was talking to in the other thread looked at cremation figures and extrapolated 15 million gallons would be necessary to burn 6 million 100 pound bodies.

what does "where all the resources necessary" mean? yeah you can probably win this argument if you stop speaking comprehensible English. If you mean where all the resources necessary 'came from' , this would be German stockpiles. As I showed in the post they were producing 10 million gallons per day. Destroying 3 million bodies would take less than a days worth. Even if fuel consumption was 5x greater than the denier quoted me, it would be doable for the Nazis and that's also assuming gasoline was the only combustant used.

You give up, your artistic talent is going to waste. I was gonna mock you on how you always disappear very quickly after I start challenging you, but honestly this is a good move. Don't waste your time on this stuff.

Yes, as bodies they are mostly water in composition. The disposal allegations are fraudulent in a number of ways. There is no trace of mass murder in the AR camps or any other. The nazis had no motive, the alleged means are silly. The impression I get given that we've covered this without much pushback from you is that this is all generally accepted by you?

However, I would most interested to hear from you about this killing process but sticking to one camp such as Belzec. Do you have your own explanation of how the alleged killing took place or would you rely on whatever witnesses have said?
 
Bodies burn like bodies.

Which is to say, they don't do it very well. Corpses typically have a negative caloric value, meaning high energy requirements - even higher if you are trying to burn them in open pits. Which is why the continual excuses for a lack of any forensic evidence being 'the Germans vaporized the 6 million corpses' is so tiresome.

We spend pages on this issue, why don't you go look at those and we will enjoy your response.
 
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