General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Black Man Underwear]

Yeah i don't hate trans people at all, I think if they just went about their ways in peace then it would be fine, but then you see all the pedophilia, invading women's spaces, narcissism and grooming, furry shit, sexual deviancy, and all of the lies, enormous sense of entitlement and huge amount of lolcows in the tranny sphere and then my sympathy just kind of erodes.

I think the pedophilia is the biggest railroad into people here and their hatred of troon culture. If we could somewhere just curbstomp that out and have mandated programmes that prevent a lot of the encouraging to Troon out minors before their 18 and make them see gender dysphoria as something they should deal with when there older then maybe we could cut away a huge deal of hatred.

I WANT to have some kind of a debate/discussion, but it's impossible with these people. I can get into a debate with someone about whether communism is a feasible ideology, I can speculate with people over alternate history scenarios, or whether you should be allowed to do crack, but gender ideology is such a blurry thing with infinite answers because it has infinite interpretations and every shithead has their own interpretation of the "objective reality" of what this concept entails.

Everyone has a clear cut, ironclad belief on what constitutes a "trans" person, and they are all different. This conveniently makes an insane and harmful ideology impossible to debate. Perhaps this was intentional.

People have told me that crossdressing is trans, that being gay is indicative of being trans, that you're not trans unless you take hormones, that you have to get the surgery, or that you just have to declare you are trans to be trans. Some have said that you can be trans even if you don't want to believe you are trans, as if you can't choose to be a man/woman, and your "trans identity" is inherent from birth. And of course we also have the tried and true "spectrum" narrative, which makes about as much sense as a drywall cupcake.

If you ever try to get a troon or a troon supporter to level with you, to get a discussion while calm to explain both sides' arguments, they get red in the face and say they "don't need to hear this bigotry" and "transphobia" instead of talking like normal people. This is, of course, because their ideology is based on attention seeking. They would rather get an arrest photo-op for assault than change someone's mind through words, and every retard who sees you get punched by a feminine man will clap for him, and will not be shocked by this man's insanity.

TL;DR the infinite variations of what it means to be "trans" makes any intellectual indictment of the concept impossible. It's like calling someone a heretic for not believing in a religion you refuse to specify, then when they ask you to clarify your beliefs, you just call them a bigot.

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[Am I Very Wrong]

it's more about ignoring anything that contradicts their very specific delusion. anyone else is wrong.
i think they do realize that deep down they're just full of shit, hence why the depression and suicide. from what i've seen they are also radical on other things and can't put themselves on other people shoes.

i've had one claiming a guy was a dickhead for speaking to her "from out of nowhere" because she has social anxiety, as if she expected the poor guy to know.
then again i don't consider "queer" girls trans, just brainwashed or on a phase

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

i've had one claiming a guy was a dickhead for speaking to her "from out of nowhere" because she has social anxiety, as if she expected the poor guy to know.

God I hate the posts I see online from people who claim they have social anxiety. If you get pants sitting scared of a stranger talking to you (even if they're being polite and inoffensive) you need professional help.

 

[thegooddoctor]

The whole idea of "gender identity" is made up gobbledy gook word salad schizophrenic attention seeking nonsense. It is equally as valid as the concept of "species identity," or "race identity." Like if I went around saying "today I FEEEEEEEEL a bit more like a nigger, I guess I'll smoke some crack and steal a bike!" It's just codification of mental illness, nothing more. It irritates me that so many people seem to be either too young, or to have such a poor memory, that they genuinely don't seem to know that until about 2 seconds ago gender and sex were used purely as synonyms.

Yeah a lot of it is complete nonsense bullshit, but sadly it became that way because there were never any finely defined rules of gender in the first place. It depends on how willingly you want men and women to be put into particular gender roles, I don’t know how many men really obsess over being stereotypically Chad meme level manly or feminine girly but the fact that these were never clearly defined is the biggest issue. Its complete unfounded pseudo nonsense and It's a shame its being taken as gospel.

 

[gang weeder]

Yeah a lot of it is complete nonsense bullshit, but sadly it became that way because there were never any finely defined rules of gender in the first place. It depends on how willingly you want men and women to be put into particular gender roles, I don’t know how many men really obsess over being stereotypically Chad meme level manly or feminine girly but the fact that these were never clearly defined is the biggest issue. Its complete unfounded pseudo nonsense and It's a shame its being taken as gospel.

There are no "rules of gender," there is just gender, with Gender A being male and Gender B being female. That is the totality of the "rules of gender." Anyone who thinks it is more complicated than that is coping and sneeding.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

the SCP wiki is run by and for trannies now

Why is "transgender" spreading so much in the West (or at least in America) now? It was not this prevalent before Current Year.

There are no "rules of gender," there is just gender, with Gender A being male and Gender B being female.

I don't even use the term "gender" seriously because John Money. To me there's 2 sexes. Also SJWs seem to think sex "gender" differences stop at chromosomes and genitals, which is why they think people can identify as whatever "gender" they feel like. And why it seems the SJWs think it's "sexist" to distinguish male from female in any way.

 

[Fortyone]

Why is "transgender" spreading so much in the West (or at least in America) now? It was not this prevalent before Current Year.

In the case of the SCP wiki it's because they wormed their way into the very top levels of the wiki and eventually secured enough power to pull an order 66 a few years ago and begin permanently banning anyone who so much as questioned trannies. It's gotten exponentially worse since then and they have killed the scp wiki and raped it's corpse numerous times since 2018. As I'm sure alot of people here know SCP was an IP that started on 4chan, just like the backrooms, but the trannies excised all "4chan types" during their purge in 2018.

I covered it briefly on the SCP thread because I've dealt with these faggots, they have their gay discord where all the tranny mods and authors hang out in to rule over the site:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/scp-foundation.30545/post-14058167

Also talked about the process to publish an article and how gay they've made it on my old account (I published a few SCPs in 2012 and tried to do it again but failed because troons turned the site into a max security shithole):

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/scp-foundation.30545/post-10792309

Basically, Trannies are insane obsessed freaks that have way too much time on their hands because none of them can get a job, so they spend all day on escapism because they are mutilated freaks IRL. Because they spend so much time online and seek to spread their fucked up fetish they constantly pursue power positions on places like reddit, wikis, and other online spaces because they essentially have infinite free time and the establishment on their side. If you criticize them, you're banned for hate speech.

it's more about ignoring anything that contradicts their very specific delusion. anyone else is wrong.
i think they do realize that deep down they're just full of shit, hence why the depression and suicide. from what i've seen they are also radical on other things and can't put themselves on other people shoes.

i've had one claiming a guy was a dickhead for speaking to her "from out of nowhere" because she has social anxiety, as if she expected the poor guy to know.
then again i don't consider "queer" girls trans, just brainwashed or on a phase

At the end of the day, despite their evil and unimaginable perversion I steel feel bad for them. These are just mentally ill men and women that were told by society and demented """psychologists""" that all their problems can be solved by castrating themselves and taking expensive insane drugs. You can't get a new reproductive organ after you lose the only one you have, it's deeply and truly evil that we've allowed this to happen as a society.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

This conveniently makes an insane and harmful ideology impossible to debate. Perhaps this was intentional.

To me it's simple anyway: a "transgender" is someone who doesn't identify as the sex they're born as.

(whether or not they had a "sex change" operation)

it's deeply and truly evil that we've allowed this to happen as a society

Because I don't really keep up with Western MSM nor "social media", I still hold an "outdated" view of "transgender" that was "normal" before Current Year: "transgender" is like "otherkin" but with "gender" instead. I also believe that even if a "transgender" had a "sex change" or could even somehow magically change their body, the sex is still an integral part of the mind. It still feels off to me to refer to male as female, female as male, and especially either as "nonbinary" or some other made up "gender" as seen on Tumblr.*

* (before that mass migration of SJWs to Twitter)

 

[Mecha-King Ghidorah]

Came across someone I used to know from my local comic convention scene on Instagram who trooned out hard in the last few years, saw she had a reel up with a thumbnail proclaiming a year on testosterone and showing off her male voice. That sounded less like testosterone injections and more like the voice female audiobook narrators do when voicing a burly male character.

 

[CEO of Posting]

Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria was introduced in the dsm-3 in 1980. It is been a documented mental disorder for 40 years now.

Simply look at what people who suffer with that condition do to themselves. Look at the way that it destroys families and harms individuals and those around them, and you can realize that it's just as destructive and harmful as alcoholism, substance abuse disorders, and any other form of self-destructive behavior.

To answer your question yes it is a mental disorder and a pretty serious one at that because it's been allowed to Fester in the gestalt of Nations. The more people accept and indulge those with the mental illness the worse it becomes. Imagine if you will telling somebody suffering from schizophrenia that yes, in fact the voices coming out of the radio ARE speaking to you personally. Enabling someone like that is harmful, and when people insist on having their delusions indulge to the point of actively mutilating and amputating healthy parts of their anatomy and interfering with the normal function of their endocrine system it beggars belief.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria was introduced in the dsm-3 in 1980. It is been a documented mental disorder for 40 years now.

Simply look at what people who suffer with that condition do to themselves. Look at the way that it destroys families and harms individuals and those around them, and you can realize that it's just as destructive and harmful as alcoholism, substance abuse disorders, and any other form of self-destructive behavior.

To answer your question yes it is a mental disorder and a pretty serious one at that because it's been allowed to Fester in the gestalt of Nations. The more people accept and indulge those with the mental illness the worse it becomes. Imagine if you will telling somebody suffering from schizophrenia that yes, in fact the voices coming out of the radio ARE speaking to you personally. Enabling someone like that is harmful, and when people insist on having their delusions indulge to the point of actively mutilating and amputating healthy parts of their anatomy and interfering with the normal function of their endocrine system it beggars belief.

Sometimes I can’t help but wonder if, in the modern age where capitalism reigns in every aspect of our governance, and in an age where we proclaim to be accepting of anyone no matter their race, sex, or gender identity, if the removal of transgenderism from the DSP whilst allowing people who claim to be affected with gender dysphoria to access life-altering surgeries and drugs is our modern way of removing a group of people who are parasitic to modern society. In ancient times, most cultures had their own (mostly more barbaric) ways of dispatching the mentally ill, most because these people were a drain on functioning societies. We may now have drugs that help placate the more serious symptoms, but people imo don’t change their primate programming. We want to have people around us that are similar to us, and having people that decry the family unit whilst mutilating their bodies is clearly a symptom of something unwell with the individual’s mind. By allowing them freedom to experiment on themselves, we can claim to be tolerant while also sub-consciously knowing they’re removing themselves from the gene pool and hopefully will now keep to themselves. They’re also benefitting capitalism by having shekels flow into the burgeoning pharmaceutical industry.

TL;DR In the modern era we claim to be more compassionate to the mentally ill, I believe that the removal of transgenderism from the DSP and allowing these people access to surgeries and hormones is our way of quietly pulling them out of modern society.

 

[AnOminous]

Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria was introduced in the dsm-3 in 1980. It is been a documented mental disorder for 40 years now.

But they got rid of it because muh current year.

That makes you wonder why medical insurance is paying out for this shit. Why should it pay for completely healthy people to amputate parts of their body? Why do these deranged weirdoes claim it's "life-saving" when they're not even sick? Why do they get free optional cosmetic surgery when even breast cancer patients who have had a mastectomy can't get it covered?

Troons are basically the Chosen People at this point.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

But they got rid of it because muh current year.

That makes you wonder why medical insurance is paying out for this shit. Why should it pay for completely healthy people to amputate parts of their body? Why do these deranged weirdoes claim it's "life-saving" when they're not even sick? Why do they get free optional cosmetic surgery when even breast cancer patients who have had a mastectomy can't get it covered?

Troons are basically the Chosen People at this point.

And don’t forget that Medicaid covers laser hair removal for trans women, while bio women going through menopause or hormonal imbalances have to pay for their treatments out of pocket.

Progressivism is really good at going full circle with their wokism and being really misogynistic.

 

[TheBigZee]

And don’t forget that Medicaid covers laser hair removal for trans women, while bio women going through menopause or hormonal imbalances have to pay for their treatments out of pocket.

Progressivism is really good at going full circle with their wokism and being really misogynistic.

Wonder if any women have tried to get it paid for because it caused gender dysphoria. If they still denied it, seems like a clear cut case of descrimination on the basis of gender identity.

 

[Netizennameless]

Progressivism is really good at going full circle with their wokism and being really misogynistic.

I think it's genius in a way. They convinced blacks to demand to be call colored again, labeled hard work and education white traits, and women to demand to become wagies and whores. It's like using social engineering to shitpost.

 

[Meat Target]

I'm noticing the word "troon" being used outside of KF lately. On Youtube, Twitter, even heard someone use it IRL.

Brothers... our influence is spreading.

 

[ABE LINN COHN]

I'm noticing the word "troon" being used outside of KF lately. On Youtube, Twitter, even heard someone use it IRL.

Brothers... our influence is spreading.

 

[Marvin]

Wonder if any women have tried to get it paid for because it caused gender dysphoria. If they still denied it, seems like a clear cut case of descrimination on the basis of gender identity.

It'd be discrimination on the basis of sex, not gender identity.

Female identifies as woman.
Male identifies as woman.

The gender identity is the same, they're discriminating on the basis of sex.

But yeah, I've used that argument in letters to my politicians. If they won't cover breast implants for real women, why are they covering them for trannies?

And don’t forget that Medicaid covers laser hair removal for trans women, while bio women going through menopause or hormonal imbalances have to pay for their treatments out of pocket.

Technically states are supposed to use their medicaid dollars in that way, but in practice a lot don't. They'll try to pass laws to implement that in your state, so you should keep your eyes peeled.

The law they're trying to pass in Maryland requires anything alleged to be gender related (yeah, including hair removal) to be assumed to be covered by default. If the state wants to argue something is cosmetic and thus not covered, they are required to ask a gender doctor to sign off on that claim. Which obviously isn't happening. I'm sure every gender doctor they ask is going to say 100% of these things are super duper medically necessary or the troon's gonna do a flip.

Johns Hopkins has been pushing this bill very aggressively because it basically gives them a blank check to raid the state coffers for tranny treatments.

 

[Androgyne Deep State]

Transgender people are perfectly normal. They're working class people like yourselves, they're your neighbors, family, friends, etc.

Someone going on HRT and doing what they want with their bodies shouldn't be an issue for anyone, and making it out as otherwise says more about you as a person than the trans person you hate.

Also, conservatives and rightoids seething over trans people going literally everywhere because "muh kidderinos are litcherally indoctrinated" is fucking retarded. It baffles me that anyone (including on here) buy into it when the panic/idea been grifted into existence by the Catholic church.

Non-binary people are valid too, and should have easier access to hormones.

Spending your time intentionally using the wrong pronouns for someone to own then is petty and gay too.

Just in general, trans people live rent free in the heads of retards who have drank the /pol/-Aid.

 

[TheBigZee]

Spending your time intentionally using the wrong pronouns for someone to own then is petty and gay too.

Another day, another tra homophobe.