General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

Out of the group of people I still talk to from that old community, none have gone to pride in years, they absolutely hate drag queens who have gone political, and despise this narrative that groomer is an LGBTQ slur because it implies that all gays are for grooming. I've kind of lost the plot a little, but I think this is the best way to describe and rationalize what I'm seeing in the day to day.
Do the people pushing this shit realize it isn't "transphobes" who are spreading the idea that all trannies are groomers, it is troons going berserk trying to ban words like "groomer" and since it's literally only troons doing that shit, they're basically saying yes, we ARE all groomers.
 
Those are the ones that really sicken me. Stupid teenagers and twentysomethings is one thing, abandoning your family to chase your fantasy is another. What happened to Dad buying a sports car when the midlife crisis hit?
The common feature is trying to re-capture the youth they've lost or wasted. Buying a sports car and dating a 20 year-old is the traditional way, but now they get to have "second puberty", and retreat into a fantasy world where they're young and can do anything they want again.
 
Do the people pushing this shit realize it isn't "transphobes" who are spreading the idea that all trannies are groomers, it is troons going berserk trying to ban words like "groomer" and since it's literally only troons doing that shit, they're basically saying yes, we ARE all groomers.
Oh yes, absolutely. The only people who care about transphobes are non-gender dysphoric trans people and bad actors (possibly funded by the same folks that fund Democrat objectives). Gay men, hate getting trapped, lesbians hate that men are taking away women rights, and bi folks there just there for the ride. It is entirely just the transgenders and pedophiles causing trouble. When I think of drag shows, for instance, I think of adult entertainment that is meant to clown on women. It is an exaggeration of women-like qualities for a laugh. It was good hearted but sexist fun; essentially the equivalent of prop comedy and improv but queer. Now drag is essentially Balenciaga the movie with a side of Cuties. I may have misunderstood what you meant but I hope ya got a little more insight.
 
It’s both. I’ve met a lot more younger people trooning than elder tbf, but the Farms has exposed me to the geriatric population of old creepy fuck men attempting to be true and honest women.
Also think of the depth - the 15 year olds will rarely go through most of the procedures, at best gradually. They will be gatekept by their age, the family, their lack of money, their lack of time etc. After a few years, most will realize this isnt for them and will dip. (BTW this is why they push to lower the ages for trans stuff. Not because they wanna mutilate kids for fun, but because the sooner and earlier retards can get this shit, the more money it makes). But older people? They already meet all the requirements, already have low social awareness etc. I researched this to a medium degree, and it seems that older trans people get their surgeries VERY quickly after they start transitioning (within one or two years) meanwhile younger ones tend to wait quite a long time.
 
I recently listened to a perspective of the Furry Fandom and Second Life that essentially presented the idea that most furry avatars on Second Life are attempting to cope with some sort of trauma. Rejecting the human appearance for an anthropomorphic one helps people cope with something that may have happened in the past. I'd wager it is similar to some of the military trannies, perhaps they hate themselves, suffer from PTSD, or what have you so they turn to transitional therapy to "become a new person" like in Second Life but in real life and maybe more preferable to suicide; even though some end up doing it anyway or de-transition. It is probably why they get butt hurt when you "deadname" them as well.
I am fairly certain this is the case for anime. Most anime characters have very neonatal/childlike faces: big eyes, round faces, harmless look etc. Also in anime, all the emotional expressions are very overexaggerated so it is very easy to identify what emotion a character is feeling. With people who struggle with this irl, this may be a welcome change, which is why so many autists and people who spend little time with others start watching anime.

Another example, priests. Specifically those that end up touching little boys. As Chaos stated previously, these folks going into the military may have grown up in an environment where exploration of sexuality was a no no or was told it was a sin or simply didn't have the opportunity. They turn to Christ seeking salvation but never actually addressing their repressed sexuality. Kids are innocent and easy to manipulate so these people take out their missed exploration on something powerless compared to them. Maybe it isn't even malicious, still an abhorrent act, but perhaps it is psychological infantilism or "role playing" scenarios they wish they had done as kids. My point is, it ain't natural, and when I meet a tranny I automatically assume they've been hurt at some point in their life. 9 times out of 10, I am absolutely correct.
This is wrong. The reason there are priests that touch kids is because after the second Vatican council (late 60s) the criteria to pass the priest seminary (unsure if this is the english term, but basically to become a priest) became significantly lower. Previously they would not have accepted a homosexual man as a priest. Hell, they would likely not accept a man who is repressing his homosexuality either. After the council, this became acceptable and in some dioceses even encouraged (many parts of USA, Ireland etc).

Compared to other professions that come into regular contact with minors (teachers, janitors, some state workers etc) in the US the rate of priests touching a child is somewhat below-average.

Also, how do you expect them to address their sexuality exactly? What does religion have to do with this? Homosexuality is just one of the crosses people are called on to bear. Sure it sucks, but you do not get to choose your battles. I genuinely do not understand this thought that you have to either choose religion OR therapy to address your problems. Do you know that priests actually have surprisingly extensive training with psychologists and psychiatrists so that they can know how to help a person without offending them? They dont just hand you the robes teach you a formula and say "yeah fam just freestyle it, you win some you lose some".


Same with the LGBTQ community, pre-gay marriage. It was counter culture, it attracted "the others" of society welcoming folks in with open arms united under one thing: Sexuality. Unfortunately, this also attracted pedophiles. However, back then, the prevailing sentiment was don't talk about it or if you did you'd probably be alienated by the community. Fast forward, same sex unions are allowed, the gatekeepers of the community accomplished their goals. Some stuck around but eventually made their own lives leaving behind tilled soil. Unfortunately, all of those pedos and whatever other sepsis planted their seeds and without the farmers to control it allowed the weeds to grow into what we have now; a colossal mess. Out of the group of people I still talk to from that old community, none have gone to pride in years, they absolutely hate drag queens who have gone political, and despise this narrative that groomer is an LGBTQ slur because it implies that all gays are for grooming. I've kind of lost the plot a little, but I think this is the best way to describe and rationalize what I'm seeing in the day to day.
This somehow feels wrong but I cannot put my finger on it. I wonder, is the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality really so clear cut? Many homosexuals are already into guys who could easily pass as underage. Hell there are several gay names for guys exactly like this (like twink etc). Maybe also just being actively homosexual is innately political - being gay definitely is not, but acting on it already shows you discard stuff like hierarchical religion, traditional family values etc etc.
 
@Chiliarch

"Also, how do you expect them to address their sexuality exactly? What does religion have to do with this? Homosexuality is just one of the crosses people are called on to bear. Sure it sucks, but you do not get to choose your battles. I genuinely do not understand this thought that you have to either choose religion OR therapy to address your problems."

I am speculating based off the anecdotal observations of an outsider while also adding my perspectives as a gay, married, man. If you don't understand the concept of religious guilt or small town small talk religiously dense rural cities, I understand why you wouldn't understand. It is like conservatives/republicans/centrists/business owners and normal people wanting to be the "silent majority" during the Summer Of Love. Fear. You live in a house or community that says your feelings for the same gender is sinful and you'll burn in hell. Fear. What do you do when you're afraid and told that God is the answer? You turn to God or even the military; why not, you're already good at hiding your homosexuality why not join the military. Regardless of the psychological screening for priesthood, which essentially means nothing since it is clear that a worrying amount of psychologists openly attempting to groom children into transitioning. In addition to that, priesthood or not, we are just humans; imperfect beings.

"This somehow feels wrong but I cannot put my finger on it. I wonder, is the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality really so clear cut?"

You've lost me completely.


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Another thing I would like to add if you really want to see where the disparaging nature of the weed crop currently growing in the LGBTQ community, look no further than the evolution of the pride flag. The original Rainbow, inclusivity, unity, a representation of acceptance of all colors of humans.


Original and the only flag I recognize as far as social community context:
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Post equal rights in civil unions BLM and Troon Representation literally creeping in from the left side over the original pride flag:

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Most recent:

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Soon they'll add MAPS, Ukraine, and whatever else the establishment idiots want to add to the flag. It is to me, to a lesser degree, if the US flag added a Chinese dragon surrounding the stars then later added a hammer and sickle on the upper right quadrant. A bastardization and insult.
 
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@Chiliarch

"Also, how do you expect them to address their sexuality exactly? What does religion have to do with this? Homosexuality is just one of the crosses people are called on to bear. Sure it sucks, but you do not get to choose your battles. I genuinely do not understand this thought that you have to either choose religion OR therapy to address your problems."

I am speculating based off the anecdotal observations of an outsider while also adding my perspectives as a gay, married, man. If you don't understand the concept of religious guilt or small town small talk religiously dense rural cities, I understand why you wouldn't understand. It is like conservatives/republicans/centrists/business owners and normal people wanting to be the "silent majority" during the Summer Of Love. Fear. You live in a house or community that says your feelings for the same gender is sinful and you'll burn in hell. Fear. What do you do when you're afraid and told that God is the answer? You turn to God or even the military; why not, you're already good at hiding your homosexuality why not join the military. Regardless of the psychological screening for priesthood, which essentially means nothing since it is clear that a worrying amount of psychologists openly attempting to groom children into transitioning. In addition to that, priesthood or not, we are just humans; imperfect beings.

"This somehow feels wrong but I cannot put my finger on it. I wonder, is the difference between pedophilia and homosexuality really so clear cut?"

You've lost me completely.
People of low importance hating everyone that is slightly different is hardly anything new. There was always some group they had to pick on and there always will be. Oftentimes (but not always!) people who do not deserve it. It were the sickly in the past, it is the homosexuals (and others obv) nowadays. Although from your message this seems to be a strongly USA-centric view and I do not care for that country.
 
I do wonder what the solution is to the whole gender reassignment surgery issue is, because there doesn't seem to be any way around the issue of feeling like they have a right to change genders at any point. Most major healthcare systems have had transgender surgeries built directly into their system and have been staples of healthcare for decades at this point. In an alternative universe where we could undo or remove all rhinoplasty and gender reassignment surgeries what would these people have left?
 
I know a Transgender in my college, I talk to him from time to time.
Great guy if you ask me. Straight As, not some self absorbed asswipe, no persecution complex, not being a complete and utterly sodomite, and he doesn't even run around reminding everyone that he's trans Surprisingly normal if you ask me.
Then again, having IRL friends and not being a terminally online cultist must've something to do with that...
 
I posted this on a transers profile page but I wanted to post it here to see if anyone else wants to discuss this-

Honest question- what is it with the anime? Why is it always with the anime? Is it because most anime girls are drawn, created, and written by men, so they're more relatable to trans than real women are?

They're both manmade, alien looking creatures designed mainly by men with constant stiffies; they don't act or look like any normal person, let alone a woman.

It's such a pervasive connection to the point where I just don't trust anyone who says they love anime to have a solid grasp on reality. Something about those cartoons attracts hoardes of unstable people. Seeing anime just makes me feel gross now, even though I used to be a fan too as a teen.
 
I posted this on a transers profile page but I wanted to post it here to see if anyone else wants to discuss this-

Honest question- what is it with the anime? Why is it always with the anime? Is it because most anime girls are drawn, created, and written by men, so they're more relatable to trans than real women are?

They're both manmade, alien looking creatures designed mainly by men with constant stiffies; they don't act or look like any normal person, let alone a woman.

It's such a pervasive connection to the point where I just don't trust anyone who says they love anime to have a solid grasp on reality. Something about those cartoons attracts hoardes of unstable people. Seeing anime just makes me feel gross now, even though I used to be a fan too as a teen.
Anime shape language (at least the style that the people of gender jerk off to) leans hard into the baby schema. Oversized head, big eyes, small mouth and nose. Like a baby. Or a small child. Plus combined with the stupidly high voices and the excessive breathy vocalisations that are practically designed to sound semi-pornographic.

I think it's pretty obvious what the obsession is. And why, I believe, such anime exists in the first place.
 
I read a thing once theorizing that autistic and socially awkward folks relate well to anime because the art and acting are always over exaggerated - and thus easier for autists to understand than typical media with nuances and subtle social cues.
Same reason they all like Sonic and MLP - it's bright and colorful, characters are drawn with exaggerated emotional signifiers (i.e. mouth, eye shape) and there's no ambiguity like sarcasm. Not only that but Japanese humor consists almost entirely of puns (which they won't get but doesn't hurt) and AWKWARD SITUATIONS where the characters YELL and SCREAM and tell you IT'S TIME TO LAUGH NOW.
 
there's no ambiguity like sarcasm.
Yeah, you're kind of wrong, here; but for an different reason or two. There's an cult or two of spergs on Wikia and that who are obsessed with the exact morality alignment of Disney villains. And there's also the shipping wars that flare up every now and then.

But I don't think that there's been an instance of an autist losing their shit over an joke he heard in an cartoon. There's probably Mr. Enter, but that's just him being an moralfag.

As for the tranny stuff; I think it's mainly from them characters being stereotypical and them realizing that their interests didn't match with whatever they're watching and quickly going off the deep end
 
Honest question. What is gender identity?

Really, what is it? Not literally, we all know it's a mental illness, but the definition according to leftists. You can't even talk to one of their zombies because not even they know what they are supporting.

There's an argument about niggers, abortion, guns, etc. But you can't talk about gender identity, because the very idea is incomprehensible. A troon lover can scream about how abortion is good for women, and you can disprove that with basic morality and statistics, but when the same troon lover screams about "gender identity", you're suddenly faced with the endless "spectrum", like a final boss of internet shitslinging.

Is there even a unified definition? Probably not, but given that Google defines gender identity as gender identity, is there anyone who can tell me what the fuck they are talking about?
 
Honest question. What is gender identity?

Really, what is it? Not literally, we all know it's a mental illness, but the definition according to leftists. You can't even talk to one of their zombies because not even they know what they are supporting.

There's an argument about niggers, abortion, guns, etc. But you can't talk about gender identity, because the very idea is incomprehensible. A troon lover can scream about how abortion is good for women, and you can disprove that with basic morality and statistics, but when the same troon lover screams about "gender identity", you're suddenly faced with the endless "spectrum", like a final boss of internet shitslinging.

Is there even a unified definition? Probably not, but given that Google defines gender identity as gender identity, is there anyone who can tell me what the fuck they are talking about?
Look here chud. It's very simple.

You want skirt go spinny? You are wimmins.
You want cute gay boy relationship like in all those mangas you read? You are mans.
You wear dress one day and trousers the next? You are both and neither.
 
Is there even a unified definition? Probably not, but given that Google defines gender identity as gender identity, is there anyone who can tell me what the fuck they are talking about?
The usual position is that it's about how comfortable you feel performing various gendered activities. If you enjoy wearing skirts and doing the dishes, you're expressing feminine gender behaviours. If more of your gender expression is feminine, then your gender identity is more female.

If pressed, they'll start slipping into mystic woowoo about how you have a physical body and a non-physical being, akin to a soul, that is your real and idealised self. The body is merely a fleshy vessel for the soul, which might be feminine while trapped in a masculine body, or vice-versa. Your gernder identity is the "true self" that you have to "discover" by "experience", usually guided by an already-converted mentor. It's basic esotericism and gnosticism given a contemporary makeover.

In reality, a gender identity is literally just a mood board. It's how you feel. Mostly it's what makes you feel horny.
 
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