Do women at large need to lie to men "for their safety"?

[Zero Day Defense]

How does one maintain that you mustn't be direct in setting boundaries with men (e.g. via clear rejection of romantic/sexual advances) in order to not get murdered, but then also not avoid men in general, lie to them about other things unrelated to boundaries, and speak obliquely with other women in addition to men?

EDIT: clarity

 

[Dysnomia]

I really don't understand the question well. You said it was edited for clarity. But it still looks like word salad.

I'm not asking why women lie to men. I'm asking why women lie to men and then (albeit, only often) say that it's "for their safety", all while behaving in ways that contradict their implied fear of men as well as lying to other women.

It's essentially a justification only women can use and be taken seriously.

What?

I'm going to assume you mean a woman lies to a man to protect herself against him in some way (been there done that) and then does not act in a way that maintains that safety?

I want to just let you know that when you are in an abusive situation you don't exactly think in ways that are 100% logical to others. You tend to live day to day. Always hoping the next day will be better. Sometimes the police don't help you. I was literally told by police to lock my door or move away. From my own fucking house. I stopped calling them because they wouldn't do anything.

Looking back I think to myself "Why didn't I just do this or that?" But at the time I wasn't thinking clearly. Because I wasn't able to.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I really don't understand the question well. You said it was edited for clarity. But it still looks like word salad.

Did you read the title, which is the actual question?

Did anybody?

I want to just let you know that when you are in an abusive situation

I'm not talking about abusive situations. Women "at large" are not in abusive situations where lying to the man is extremely understandable.

Women that are in abusive situations and have to lie or otherwise be oblique in a bid to protect themselves, presumably say afterwards that they lied in order to evade a specific circumstance or the general threat of abuse from a specific person. When they're being unilaterally abused, they behave consistently with the idea that they have a fear of men, or at least their specific abuser.

 

[Mothra1988]

How does one maintain that you have to not clearly set your boundaries with men (e.g. via clear rejection of romantic/sexual advances) in order to not get murdered, but then also not avoid men in general, lie to them about other things unrelated to boundaries, and be oblique with other women about other non-boundary related things?

EDIT: clarity

Did you take your meds today?

 

[SandyCat]

Just date men problem solved

I keep telling you people but no one listens to me

 

[DDR Yoga]

It annoys me when people talk about women not being able to feel safe at night when it is men who are many more times likely to beaten or killed. Women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault but rape (actual rape, not regret sex) is far less common than your standard instance of thugs smashing a man's head in for know reason. Rape is also easier to avoid with a little vigilance, since it happens almost exclusively in unpopulated areas, such as parks or industrial estates.

As a man, I'm not ashamed to say I'm scared walking around my hometown at night and I'd rather spend 20 pounds on a taxi than have to risk the subway. In fact, and this isn't a joke or an exaggeration, there have been times on the subway where I've wished I were a woman. Picture the scene, just you and a group of thugs on the carriage. What would you pefer to be asked, "How big are your tits?" or "Do you like hospital food?"

 

[Psyduck]

Get a gun, ladies

 

[Shamefur Dispray]

Assume everyone is lying untill you know can trust them. And even at that point verify everything yourself.

 

[SandyCat]

Assume everyone is lying untill you know can trust them. And even at that point verify everything yourself.

Even then assume they're doing a convoluted gay op

 

[macrodegenerate]

OP you need to up your grammer game. I barely have any idea what the fuck you are saying, but I'll give it a shot.

In today's world, I think it's perfectly reasonable for women to lie to men instead of flat out rejecting them. It isn't correct or intelligent, but over the past few decades alot of women have been mindfucked by other bitter women who don't want to see them happy.

I think that over the past decade or so, 3rd wave feminism has convinced women that attraction has malevolent undertones. They do this by pointing to the few examples of men who pursue relationships in a maladaptive fashion. These men want a partner but view their partners as abusive on a subconscious level. This results in them wanting to get back at them by possessing them or destroying them. If you were convinced every man was like this, it only makes sense for you to lie and fear them.

Really the question you should be asking is, "Is keeping women safe from an exceptionally small minority of malevolent men worth reinforcing in all women, that attraction stems from irrational malevolence as opposed to stemming from a desire to make someone feel loved and to be loved in return?"

 

[Zero Day Defense]

OP you need to up your grammer game. I barely have any idea what the fuck you are saying--

Did you read the title?

At this point, my elaboration's structure is nothing more than "how does one W, even though X, Y, and Z?" The actual question has an even simpler structure.

At least you still gave a relevant answer.

These men want a partner but view their partners as abusive on a subconscious level. This results in them wanting to get back at them by possessing them or destroying them.

Are you talking about men? As in, abusive men are abusive because they see their partners as abusive on a subconscious level?

 

[Catgirl Enthusiast]

Large women should have no fear. No man wants them anyways.

 

[The Ugly One]

every time a woman tells me the truth, i KILL her, which is why i've never killed a woman

 

[Apochrypha]

It annoys me when people talk about women not being able to feel safe at night when it is men who are many more times likely to beaten or killed. Women are more likely to be victims of sexual assault but rape (actual rape, not regret sex) is far less common than your standard instance of thugs smashing a man's head in for know reason. Rape is also easier to avoid with a little vigilance, since it happens almost exclusively in unpopulated areas, such as parks or industrial estates.

As a man, I'm not ashamed to say I'm scared walking around my hometown at night and I'd rather spend 20 pounds on a taxi than have to risk the subway. In fact, and this isn't a joke or an exaggeration, there have been times on the subway where I've wished I were a woman. Picture the scene, just you and a group of thugs on the carriage. What would you pefer to be asked, "How big are your tits?" or "Do you like hospital food?"

Rape actually happens quite often, usually in moderately populated areas. Same with sexual harrassment. The bystander effect is an amazing phenomenon. Most people who witness sexual assault or harassment done to women often follow the herd and ignore it - its one of the many reasons why the victim's don't normally speak up and why those men get away with their disgusting acts.

Rape can happen to anyone at anytime. It just so happens that woman are physically weaker, therefore much easier targets than men. Many women who have been raped commit suicide, understandably so - can you imagine having your dignity and sense of self (and even virginity) being ripped away from you in an instant because a man lacked self control and wanted power over you? Bruises heal but trauma like that doesn't go away. It sticks to you like flies to shit.

Since you are male, you have never had to experience the horrors of womanhood, so Its understandable that you have no idea what you're talking about. You have never had to worry about being raped, or kidnapped, or being trafficked. It's a horrible thing you should never wish for, upon yourself or anyone.

 

[DDR Yoga]

@Apochrypha

"Rape actually happens quite often "

It doesn't happen nearly as regularly as unprovoked attacks on other men.

The rest of your post is just blabbering about how bad and traumatic rape is, which I never denied. The point is, it's statistically safer to be a woman than a man. A bloke is many times more likley to get his jaw broken by a random thug than you are of being raped. If we extend rape to 'all sexual assaults and harrassment', then women may be more likely to fall victim to a pervert but I'd rather have my ass my grabbed on a train than my jaw broken.

 

[Apochrypha]

@Apochrypha

"Rape actually happens quite often "

It doesn't happen nearly as regularly as unprovoked attacks on other men.

The rest of your post is just blabbering about how bad and traumatic rape is, which I never denied. The point is, it's statistically safer to be a woman than a man. A bloke is many times more likley to get his jaw broken by a random thug than you are of being raped. If we extend rape to 'all sexual assaults and harrassment', then women may be more likely to fall victim to a pervert but I'd rather have my ass my grabbed on a train than my jaw broken.

Except that's simply untrue. While you may be at a higher risk of getting your ass handed to you by a guy twice your size, usually altercations like that are easy to prevent in most circumstances, unlike rape. Fights are easier to avoid especially in public. I've seen people more ready to defend men in public fights than women being sexually harrassed or assaulted, which is jarring. Getting the shit kicked out of you is a bad experience and men have their plights but I've also seen groups of them literally watching a woman in trouble and not do a thing. Hell, I've even been in that position. I'm not saying every man on Earth should step in because the possibility of getting your ass beat is still on the table, but the one's who have the power to actually do something about it should. How are we meant to trust men in a world where they no longer protect us? A gun is more reliable than any man at this point.

I'm not going to debate you on the subject but I really do get tired of seeing men say it's easier to be a woman simply because they have some shit harder. Being either gender sucks, it's the reason we have troons that we can make fun of.

 

[DDR Yoga]

Except that's simply untrue. While you may be at a higher risk of getting your ass handed to you by a guy twice your size, usually altercations like that are easy to prevent in most circumstances, unlike rape. Fights are easier to avoid especially in public. I've seen people more ready to defend men in public fights than women being sexually harrassed or assaulted, which is jarring. Getting the shit kicked out of you is a bad experience and men have their plights but I've also seen groups of them literally watching a woman in trouble and not do a thing. Hell, I've even been in that position. I'm not saying every man on Earth should step in because the possibility of getting your ass beat is still on the table, but the one's who have the power to actually do something about it should. How are we meant to trust men in a world where they no longer protect us? A gun is more reliable than any man at this point.

I'm not going to debate you on the subject but I really do get tired of seeing men say it's easier to be a woman simply because they have some shit harder. Being either gender sucks, it's the reason we have troons that we can make fun of.

I haven't said that it's easier to be man. My original post was a rejection of the notion that the streets are safer for men. The fact stands: men are more likely to be victims of random violent crime than women.

 

[Apochrypha]

I haven't said that it's easier to be man. My original post was a rejection of the notion that the streets are safer for men. The fact stands: men are more likely to be victims of random violent crime than women.

"there have been times on the subway where I've wished I were a woman."

Nigger what? Either you're a closeted troon or the weakest willed man on the planet. Choose.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

women don’t lie nearly as much as men

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah, good one.

Women lie constantly, then attempt to blame mAlE vIoLeNcE for their own deceptive behaviour. Fuck off.
Like small children, women are innately unable to accept responsibility for their bad behaviour, so they are compelled to place the blame externally. Women are very cowardly when it comes to honesty.
Here's a tip, ladies: men will be much more enraged at your lies than at an unpleasant truth.

And why is every woman's first defense to fall back on "We lie in case mUh Rape!"? It's just total fucking bullshit. The average Western woman not only will never be raped; she will never be anywhere near even the remote possibility of being raped. You lot seem to believe there are roving packs of men out there, hunting single women in inner city alleys at 2am, and that's utter, utter nonsense. I doubt most of you actually believe the things you say, but the few of you who do are living in a mental prison of your own construction.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

God made men. Samuel Colt made them equal.

Just sayin'.

Women left out in the cold once again by the patriarchy.

 

[macrodegenerate]

Are you talking about men? As in, abusive men are abusive because they see their partners as abusive on a subconscious level?

Yes, I'm talking about a small segment of the male population, that have a warped sense of how women act and how relationships between the sexes work. Often this manifests in misogyny (the real kind) which is dangerous to women and what they fear. You need only look at the Stinkditch section of the forum to see examples of this kind of person. Or hit up an incel forum.