Do women at large need to lie to men "for their safety"?

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How does one maintain that you mustn't be direct in setting boundaries with men (e.g. via clear rejection of romantic/sexual advances) in order to not get murdered, but then also not avoid men in general, lie to them about other things unrelated to boundaries, and speak obliquely with other women in addition to men?

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If you were right, then the rapist would would be preemptively deterred by the likelihood of his prospective victim having a father, brothers, or any other male kin.
many are, that's why isolated and lost women are the most likely victims
it's like with serial killers who deliberately target runaways and prostitutes because they know nobody will look after them
 
bro Women have to live in fear in men. Men kill women. Men rape women. It's not a fear, it's a biological predisposition that protects the race because there are simply more men who utilize their physically-advantageous sexual dimorphism to subjugate and otherwise harm women. Women who function with the instinct of protecting themselves and young of men are those who live and breed to pass it on.
So you admit women are inherently inferior, but I am guessing you also want me to pretend they're equal to me, right? I'd actually respect the "women are pathetic, perpetual children incapable of moral behavior" argument if it was actually taken to its logical conclusion by anyone who pushes it. But I'd bet money you also want me to pretend women are equal to me, or even superior to me, whenever is convenient for them. Right?

many are, that's why isolated and lost women are the most likely victims
it's like with serial killers who deliberately target runaways and prostitutes because they know nobody will look after them
Which is funny, because women try to prevent good, strong men from being near them through any means imaginable by claiming that they're a danger to them lol. Yet another self inflicted problem I can't help but point and laugh at.
 
...if someone's determined to commit crime against you, they couldn't give a shit that you have a boyfriend or that you're married. If you were right, then the rapist would would be preemptively deterred by the likelihood of his prospective victim having a father, brothers, or any other male kin.

Wait, you mean you don't have your daily rape deterred by a woman telling you she has a boyfriend? I assume I speak for 99% of men here when I say that every day, I look for a woman to rape, and the only way she's gonna get away with not being raped is if she has a boyfriend. So far, every woman I've approached with my pants down and a meat cleaver in hand has told me she's already in a relationship. You must be the odd man out here.
 
Imagine being so full of yourself that you think (read: fantasize) that there are roving bands of rape gangs who absolutely must rape. I don’t pretend that any pornographic fantasies I have are real life so why do I have to pretend women’s coomer fantasies resemble real life and take them seriously?
Which is funny, because women try to prevent good, strong men from being near them through any means imaginable by claiming that they're a danger to them lol. Yet another self inflicted problem I can't help but point and laugh at.
Women: All men want to rape
Also women: Black men should run wild and free and not get arrested for any of their crimes
Women as well: That clean cut white guy glanced at me in the elevator for a split second, he must want to rape me
 
Imagine being so full of yourself that you think (read: fantasize) that there are roving bands of rape gangs who absolutely must rape.
those are in fact out there, but they're generally not what feminists actually aim all their anger and vitriol at.
it's one of the big absurdities with feminism - they willfully ignore, even defend and protect the types of men that exhibit by far the highest rates of sexual violence against women (shitskins) while relentlessly raging and seething against those with much lower rates (whites)
 
That 0.2% figure accounts for all rapes, does it not? It includes cases of regret sex. Therefore, an even smaller percentage accounts for actual rape. And of those actual rapes, some of them are cases where a woman has volunteered to go to a park at 3am with LeDontay for a thrill. I'm willing to bet that instances of rape where the woman practices basic vigilance (the kind that many men practice to avoid getting jumped by thugs) and hangs around with good company are very rare. 0.00001% of all violent crime maybe?
 
If anyone, anywhere, actually believed women were in actual, routine danger from men (they're not), they would be advocating for universal armament for women worldwide, as a 380 acp in every pocket would end this myth of roving bands of rapists overnight. Instead, those same people are almost always staunchly opposed to firearm ownership, because even they don't believe their own bullshit, and will tell any batshit insane lie necessary to avoid accountability for their scummy actions.
Interesting you would mention - I'm a lifelong NRA supporter who has been pushing for women to get comfortable with firearms for a long time, Every female should be armed, it is the only path to safety and comfort for women. Women don't like firearms, it's a real problem that we need to address. Maybe you should
talk to more than just your mum and auntie before making gay leaps of logic about half the planet? I'm not mad at you, because I know this is something you can't understand. You aren't forced to carry around, on your body, something that many many men are deprived of. The 'males being scary' thing starts for many of us well before puberty. You are angry and disgusted and bitter because we learned what men taught us.
 
Interesting you would mention - I'm a lifelong NRA supporter who has been pushing for women to get comfortable with firearms for a long time, Every female should be armed, it is the only path to safety and comfort for women. Women don't like firearms, it's a real problem that we need to address.
I don't believe you, just like I didn't believe the other one. Where is this advocacy from either of you? Just on KF is fine, I don't want you to dox yourself. "We" don't need to address women's inherent shortcomings, that's something for women to address on their own with their guuuurl power.
Maybe you should
talk to more than just your mum and auntie before making gay leaps of logic about half the planet? I'm not mad at you, because I know this is something you can't understand. You aren't forced to carry around, on your body, something that many many men are deprived of. The 'males being scary' thing starts for many of us well before puberty.
This is so textbook. You're inferior to men, but also magically equal, but also superior; whichever is most convenient in a given situation. Typical female dishonesty.
You are angry and disgusted and bitter because we learned what men taught us.
And you're pissy because I'm holding you to the same standards I hold men to. The men you lie and claim equality to. Imagine peddling all of this faux victimhood bleating because someone expects you to be honest like he expects men to be honest. Just further proves that morals are an inherently male concept.
 
I don't believe you, just like I didn't believe the other one. Where is this advocacy from either of you? Just on KF is fine, I don't want you to dox yourself. "We" don't need to address women's inherent shortcomings, that's something for women to address on their own with their guuuurl power.

This is so textbook. You're inferior to men, but also magically equal, but also superior; whichever is most convenient in a given situation. Typical female dishonesty.

And you're pissy because I'm holding you to the same standards I hold men to. The men you lie and claim equality to. Imagine peddling all of this faux victimhood bleating because someone expects you to be honest like he expects men to be honest. Just further proves that morals are an inherently male concept.
LOL, okay honey. I don't believe you either. I think you don't believe any of what you've said, because I refuse to accept
there are farmers this willfully obtuse. "Equal". We are "equal" in the sense that we all are entitled to the same rights to
life and liberty. You seem to think it means 'identical' and it doesn't. Men and woman compliment each other. We work together and form a whole. Males have physical superiority in most circumstances, women are superior communicators
and organizers in most circumstances. Your individual skills and talents aren't factored into whether or not you get
human rights.

You're inferring and assumed so much that you're difficult to take seriously. I'm a mother. I am raising a plague of children.
A sea of children. I've kept my husband cared for and supported throughout his stressful career. We're best friends. We
carry each other. There's no lies. There's no excuses. There's loyalty and trust and friendship and lust. That's how it works.
And I'll relieve you of your goofy notion of avoiding protective men, but why, you'll just say LOL UR LYIN LOLOL - my
husband is a gigantic muscular brute who is comfortable with violence. That's part of why I picked him. That's pragmatism
you might not be capable of understanding, as you aren't as likely to be put in a situation where you need to ward off
insane men. As for proselytizing for guns, I've told pretty much every mother I know from PTA, the local park, and the neighborhood about how concealed carry changed my life. And it has. I took the power back. Maybe you're upset about
that?

This is primarily about insane men and Lunchtime Rowdies, not regular dudes. You see the dudes who turn up in A&H
doing insane filthy shit to women and kids? They're real. And they don't care what you look like, they want a cunt. They
rape the elderly. They rape children. You think they discriminate? You fuckin goofball, comatose women have been impregnated in the hospital and in nursing homes. I saw security camera footage of a black janitor pulling off a wheelchair bound old woman's diaper to rape her. Men fuck chickens. The tail pipes of cars. Furniture. Buildings. Pumpkins. Troons.
The dead. There's nothing 'flattering' about males being willing to fuck you.

I'm sorry you had a shit experience, or spend too much time on /pol, but you aren't encountering the same reality as
everyone else, and you should branch out more. The women you hate, the danger haired twats on Twitter? They aren't
here. Everyone hates those women. They hate themselves. They are a vocal minority, like troons. Troons are men, you're a man, should I hate and blame you for Troonery? Of course not, that would be silly. Now get ahold of yourself and act better before you get a goddamn triangle or worse, young man.
 
Wait, you mean you don't have your daily rape deterred by a woman telling you she has a boyfriend? I assume I speak for 99% of men here when I say that every day, I look for a woman to rape, and the only way she's gonna get away with not being raped is if she has a boyfriend. So far, every woman I've approached with my pants down and a meat cleaver in hand has told me she's already in a relationship. You must be the odd man out here.
I think I missed that episode of Dora the Explorer.

Interesting you would mention - I'm a lifelong NRA supporter who has been pushing for women to get comfortable with firearms for a long time, Every female should be armed, it is the only path to safety and comfort for women. Women don't like firearms, it's a real problem that we need to address. Maybe you should
talk to more than just your mum and auntie before making gay leaps of logic about half the planet? I'm not mad at you, because I know this is something you can't understand. You aren't forced to carry around, on your body, something that many many men are deprived of. The 'males being scary' thing starts for many of us well before puberty. You are angry and disgusted and bitter because we learned what men taught us.
I realized something, and I don't expect for you to agree with what it is.

Women don't have a serious empirical reason to believe they're at active risk of being raped or murdered by men (if they did, the state of intersexual relationships would be fundamentally different than they are; casual sex wouldn't have ever been able to become any level of normative, and women wouldn't have agency to begin with-- in the same way a child wouldn't be freely allowed to cross the street by themselves because that's dangerous for them).

This is why it doesn't suffice to point out that-- provably-- the stark majority of people aren't criminals, the stark majority of men abhor the violation of women and would never come close to raping one, the stark majority of men especially revile those men who would hurt their female kin and therefore have the basis to understand the peculiar wrongness of sexual crime against women, or that rape accounts for at most 4.6% of crimes against the person (if only in the States).

It's a conceptual fear that women have. It's not that men do murder and rape women often. It's that they can murder and rape women. More accurately, they can commit violence against women in a way that women can't easily-- if at all-- defend against.

What I wasn't able to wrap my head around is that when women (at least, in the West) say they need to be dishonest with men for their safety, it's not a concern formed in reference to credible probabilities. Rather, they're failing to contextualize their instinct with the reality that it's very unlikely that a man in [CURRENT_YEAR + 9] will in fact commit violence against them. Furthermore, the inconsistencies I observed exist at least partly because the fear that women have of men correlates with something they're attracted to: the capacity for protection. One has to be capable of being dangerous in order to protect others.

...what can't be accounted for in this, is that the act of lying to "protect yourself" only ever works with well-adjusted men you would never be endangered by. In the example of rejecting a guy, the rejection only works if the other party registers it as a rejection in the first place. If the man takes rejection violently poorly, then it doesn't matter how vague you are. You were just in danger, in the first place, because he's not getting what he wants from you.

Men fuck chickens. The tail pipes of cars. Furniture. Buildings. Pumpkins. Troons.
The dead. There's nothing 'flattering' about males being willing to fuck you.
Women have an equally degenerate contingent that humps bedding, furniture, vegetables (especially of the oblong variety), ain't-shit men that were obviously going to leave if they got pregnant, their teenage students, and dogs.

Or are you going to say that they're a smaller contingent than the men's contingent? As if that matters, especially when the latter is reviled and punished in a multitude of ways by those men outside of it?
 
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What I wasn't able to wrap my head around is that when women (at least, in the West) say they need to be dishonest with men for their safety, it's not a concern formed in reference to credible probabilities. Rather, they're failing to contextualize their instinct with the reality that it's very unlikely that a man in [CURRENT_YEAR + 9] will in fact commit violence against them. Furthermore, the inconsistencies I observed exist at least partly because the fear that women have of men correlates with something they're attracted to: the capacity for protection. One has to be capable of being dangerous in order to protect others.

Because that's not actually why they lie. I've had the good fortune to know some realtalking women. They lie because telling a guy "no" makes them feel bad. One woman I know says she irrationally (her word, not mine) feels extreme guilt when she turns a guy down, and her first instinct is to lie, or even go on a pity date, so that she won't feel bad. Avoiding feeling pangs of guilt drives a lot of this.

The women who rationalize it as "omg he was gonna rape me!" are just trying to avoid admitting (possibly to themselves) that they lie for ultimately silly reasons. Think how much more powerful, "I had to lie. I was going to be raped," sounds than, "I had to lie. I was going to feel bad," sounds.
 
Getting involved in this discussion is too much energy for me rn, i'll just share this meme instead.

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I don't believe you, just like I didn't believe the other one. Where is this advocacy from either of you? Just on KF is fine, I don't want you to dox yourself. "We" don't need to address women's inherent shortcomings, that's something for women to address on their own with their guuuurl power.

This is so textbook. You're inferior to men, but also magically equal, but also superior; whichever is most convenient in a given situation. Typical female dishonesty.

And you're pissy because I'm holding you to the same standards I hold men to. The men you lie and claim equality to. Imagine peddling all of this faux victimhood bleating because someone expects you to be honest like he expects men to be honest. Just further proves that morals are an inherently male concept.
I don't know what woman in your life cheated on you but the fallout must have been really bad if you're reaching this hard. You've been strawmanning for pages.

No woman in this thread has claimed they are superior, or lesser or even equal. We have refuted a point made against us. You are being a sensitive bitch and are intentionally disregarding the arguments against you because the thought of a woman having a point challenges your opinion of them, and that's very apparent.

Since you have stated that morals are an "inherently male concept," I would like you to explain, for example, why males (typically young men) are more likely to buckle when faced with peer pressure, or the thought of looking weak in front of their male peers - do men not change the way they act or treat others to fit in? do they not go against their own morals and beliefs to look or feel superior? and how is that not considered...lying?
 
Because that's not actually why they lie. I've had the good fortune to know some realtalking women. They lie because telling a guy "no" makes them feel bad. One woman I know says she irrationally (her word, not mine) feels extreme guilt when she turns a guy down, and her first instinct is to lie, or even go on a pity date, so that she won't feel bad. Avoiding feeling pangs of guilt drives a lot of this.
I think I've slipped into hyperfocusing on the "rejecting guys" scenario, even though I've heard/read the claim that women are generally strategically dishonest with men "for their safety". For sure, it doesn't make sense as a strategy, since it won't deter actually dangerous people but wastes the time and heart of the majority of men who aren't dangerous.

But are you asserting that it has nothing to do with instinctive fear of male dominance? That there's no part of them that fears the capacity for male violence on a subconscious level, enough for them to deceive or otherwise be oblique in a (however nonsensical) attempt at self-preservation? That their instinct is largely to "avoid the pain of guilt"?

I'm inclined to somewhat agree, but then, what's to be said about the ubiquity of the refrain despite the objective realities of the matter?
 
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I think I've slipped into hyperfocusing on the "rejecting guys" scenario, even though I've heard/read the claim that women are generally strategically dishonest with men "for their safety". For sure, it doesn't make sense as a strategy, since it won't deter actually dangerous people but wastes the time and heart of the majority of men who aren't dangerous.

But are you asserting that it has nothing to do with instinctive fear of male dominance? That there's no part of them that fears the capacity for male violence on a subconscious level, enough for them to deceive or otherwise be oblique in a (however nonsensical) attempt at self-preservation? That their instinct is largely to "avoid the pain of guilt"?

I'm inclined to somewhat agree, but then, what's to be said about the ubiquity of the refrain despite the objective realities of the matter?

Well, if we're expanding to women's overall strategic lying, there are varied reasons, but "the truth gets me raped" is an evidence-free feminist theory that is based on the axiom that if a woman does something wrong, it's a man's fault.

For example, a weirdly common one is a woman's tendency to assume that if a man asks her what she wants, he's making an implication about what he wants, so she has to read between the lines, figure out what the man wants, decide what outcome she wants, and give the corresponding answer. It may be completely benign, but since she's lying, she's unhelpful.

Example, you are driving down the highway:

Man's brain: Been a while since we ate. She's been quiet. Maybe she's hungry. Isn't another exit for 20 miles. I don't care for it, but she loves it and hasn't been there in a while. I'll ask.
Man's voice: Honey, are you hungry? I just saw a sign that Cracker Barrel's up ahead.
Woman's brain: Why is he asking this? He hates Cracker Barrel! There's no way he actually wants to go there. I'm starving, but if we go to Cracker Barrel, he won't enjoy lunch! He must really want to wait, but is just asking me this to be nice, but I know what he really wants. He wants to skip this exit.
Woman's voice: It's okay, baby, I'm not hungry.

~~~the couple passes the exit~~~
~~~five minutes go by~~~

Woman: Is there another exit soon? I'm starving!
Man: What the...you just told me you weren't hungry. I even offered to take you to Cracker Barrel!
Woman: But you don't like Cracker Barrel!
Man: For God's sake, woman, if I'm asking if you want something, I mean to give it to you if you say yes!
Woman: How am I supposed to know that?!?!?!?!

~~~the woman pulls out her phone and texts her sister~~~

Woman's phone: Ugh! Men are so complicated! He asked me if I wanted to go to Cracker Barrel and then is blaming *me* for not reading his mind and knowing that he was going to take me there if I said yes!
Sister's phone: I know! How can anyone understand what goes on in a man's brain? They just like...expect people to think they mean what they say!??!?! Like how does that even?????

Feminist: You see, this woman had to lie to her husband, because if she told him the truth, that she did want to go to Cracker Barrel, he would have stopped the car, shoved her out the door, raped her, then backed the car over her a few times to kill her. Men are evil.
 
The women you hate, the danger haired twats on Twitter? They aren't
here. Everyone hates those women. They hate themselves. They are a vocal minority, like troons.
your overall post is good but this part is wrong
among young-ish women (under 30) in the west, the twitter dangerhair attitude and worldview is the norm, the majority
 
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For example, a weirdly common one is a woman's tendency to assume that if a man asks her what she wants, he's making an implication about what he wants, so she has to read between the lines, figure out what the man wants, decide what outcome she wants, and give the corresponding answer.
Why would she make that presumption in the first place?

At least in your example, they're trying to do good by each other. Is it also common for women to not inquire about what they believe is implied by the man?
 
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