Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Ghostse]

Just look at this dude

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The Vatnik cries out as he copes at you.

 

[Kept Ya Waiting Huh]

This is an image inside a major battle group in Bahkmut.

It appears they're using online voicechats like Discord and Google Meets to conduct these. Does anyone know why? Are these services better encrypted, or just have servers and businesses located on their side of the conflict? This is very interesting.

 

[CuzinEd]

@Ghostse

In Syria, wagner had Syrian troops and militia to serve the role of the prison brigades: locate the enemy so they can move in and hit them.

It was called the Battle of Khasham supposedly. I heard about it like 6 months ago or so. I watched this video about it.

I also read this wikipedia article.

Battle of Khasham - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yeah. But it's not as bad for these volunteers as for Russian mobiks who thinks they're living in a dramatized WWII war movie filled with heroics, comradeship and romance.
I shit you not, that's the perspective a lot of grown Russian men have, it's all like one big LARP. I can't overstate how prevalent that is, especially among men older than 40.

I remember seeing some of the volunteers complaining about it. especially the Reddit Rambo types. One guy who I think was an American and ex US military running away from a Russian missile attack crying. Killing dune coons isn't like fighting people that are more capable. Even as terrible as the Russian military is they are still better off than the dune coons were. I mean the dune coons didn't have Su-25's doing ground support or missiles and artillery support. Wagner performance in Syria made them and the Russians get cocky.

 

[Jewthulhu]

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This is an image inside a major battle group in Bahkmut.

It appears they're using online voicechats like Discord and Google Meets to conduct these. Does anyone know why? Are these services better encrypted, or just have servers and businesses located on their side of the conflict? This is very interesting.

Can't pretend I know shit about defense communications, but it seems pretty stupid to me. Probably because it's free and they didn't set up anything else? Still think they should have implemented a more robust and secure military VOIP system since then, even if they just use a commercial version of one. The US seems to use a version of WAVE for its military VOIP, the Finns use something from Bittium, and I'm sure there are other options. That's just what I could find in 5 minutes of googling.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

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Also, Russians seems very upset about Finland.

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"I fear they won't be spared when the multipolar world arises"
Isn't the whole vatnik pitch about "muh multipolah world" basically that you can choose between Russia, China and the US instead of just being forced to align to the US world order or face being a pariah? It's kind of them saying the quiet part out loud that everyone who does exactly that "wont be spared" when the "multipolar" world comes about.

(of course this is cope and Russia shot its own NWO plans in the foot)

 

[draggs]

1950s tonks are so good 70 years later it's a wonder anyone ever kept developing new ones in those 70 years is what I've learned from all this vatnigger T-55 coping

 

[freight]

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This is an image inside a major battle group in Bahkmut.

noice (cute pfps btw)

it's ok guys, windows 11 and desktop app discord are renowed for their privacy.

an opera browser too! have they considered brave???

It appears they're using online voicechats like Discord and Google Meets to conduct these. Does anyone know why? Are these services better

Wagner heavily uses smartphones and their accompanying apps, Prigozhin and Kadyrov threw a fit on telegram when the MoD suggested soldiers not be allowed to use smartphones (and also to shave their faces lol). For the convict strike groups in Bakhmut, they plot their route onto google maps (or an equivalent) and order them to follow the route strictly, or die trying.

Also lol retard rusia monke etc etc

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

1950s tonks are so good 70 years later it's a wonder anyone ever kept developing new ones in those 70 years is what I've learned from all this vatnigger T-55 coping

okay tbf there is a group of milsperg lolcows known as "the reformers" who think the US shouldn't have adopted the Abrams and instead just kept upgrading M60s ad infinitum...

 

[Ghostse]

It was called the Battle of Khasham supposedly. I heard about it like 6 months ago or so. I watched this video about it.

tl;dr: Putin wants to test Trump. Obama was a straight pussy and Trump was blustering, so Putin wanted to see if Trump would pull his forces back or engage.
in more Russian Pragmatism... the Soldiers in the Wagner Unit that was used in the attack were their 2nd-stringers, mostly used for support and security till then. They were also slated to finish up contracts and go home in a month, and get paid contract completion bonuses. By feeding them into a meat grinder, Wagner only had to pay out death benefits to the families which were less than the contract completion bonus.

Supposedly the Wagner forces & Russian officers were told to expect contact to try to flank the military base and basically chase off the defenders but not to attempt to kill them all. The best case scenario was that they would take the base and when the counter attack came, get on the phone to the Americans and say our troops are there, the Americans then being rational wouldn't want to provoke an incident and after a PR op Wagner would withdraw. The expected outcome was a few hours of gun battles with the SDF/Americans and a withdraw and "Oops fog of war".

What instead happened was a complete lack of understanding of how the US responds when the enemy lacks civilians to hide behind, and the the full wrath of god was rained down on them.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Just look at this dude

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This is impressive amounts of retarded. I wonder what his username on Kiwi Farms is.

I remember seeing some of the volunteers complaining about it. especially the Reddit Rambo types. One guy who I think was an American and ex US military running away from a Russian missile attack crying. Killing dune coons isn't like fighting people that are more capable. Even as terrible as the Russian military is they are still better off than the dune coons were. I mean the dune coons didn't have Su-25's doing ground support or missiles and artillery support. Wagner performance in Syria made them and the Russians get cocky.

Americans these days are used to fighting under established superiority. Not sure why they'd think it would be the same when their army isn't involved.

 

[Jewthulhu]

noice (cute pfps btw)
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it's ok guys, windows 11 and desktop app discord are renowed for their privacy.
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an opera browser too! have they considered brave???
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Wagner heavily uses smartphones and their accompanying apps, Prigozhin and Kadyrov threw a fit on telegram when the MoD suggested soldiers not be allowed to use smartphones (and also to shave their faces lol). For the convict strike groups in Bakhmut, they plot their route onto google maps (or an equivalent) and order them to follow the route strictly, or die trying.

Also lol retard rusia monke etc etc

Wait, @Kept Ya Waiting Huh where is the pic from? Is this the Ukrainians or the Russians or Wagner?

 

[Kept Ya Waiting Huh]

Wait, @Kept Ya Waiting Huh where is the pic from? Is this the Ukrainians or the Russians or Wagner?

This is a Ukrainian base. the article of this photo was The New York Times.

Article (Archive)

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

How would you go about hacking Discord?

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

tl;dr: Putin wants to test Trump. Obama was a straight pussy and Trump was blustering, so Putin wanted to see if Trump would pull his forces back or engage.
in more Russian Pragmatism... the Soldiers in the Wagner Unit that was used in the attack were their 2nd-stringers, mostly used for support and security till then. They were also slated to finish up contracts and go home in a month, and get paid contract completion bonuses. By feeding them into a meat grinder, Wagner only had to pay out death benefits to the families which were less than the contract completion bonus.

Supposedly the Wagner forces & Russian officers were told to expect contact to try to flank the military base and basically chase off the defenders but not to attempt to kill them all. The best case scenario was that they would take the base and when the counter attack came, get on the phone to the Americans and say our troops are there, the Americans then being rational wouldn't want to provoke an incident and after a PR op Wagner would withdraw. The expected outcome was a few hours of gun battles with the SDF/Americans and a withdraw and "Oops fog of war".

What instead happened was a complete lack of understanding of how the US responds when the enemy lacks civilians to hide behind, and the the full wrath of god was rained down on them.

A major factor in this engagement - long before the Ukraine Invasion kicked off - was the rivalry between Wagner and the Russian MoD.
Basically Wagner, along with a bunch of Syrian Arab Army & homebrew militias went to the base, but weren't told how many Americans were there or what kind of firepower they were bringing to the table.
Well the Americans realized that Russians were in the convoy, and said "hey we are about to level this fucking convoy, either turn that shit around or pull your guys out" over a diplomatic line to prevent an international incident - to which the official Russian channels came back with "no Russian soldiers in that convoy " (because Wagner plausible deniability shit).

Then the Wagner commanders got pissed and claimed they were sent in with bad intel then sold down the river.

 

[Ghostse]

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This is an image inside a major battle group in Bahkmut.

It appears they're using online voicechats like Discord and Google Meets to conduct these. Does anyone know why? Are these services better encrypted, or just have servers and businesses located on their side of the conflict? This is very interesting.

tl;dr: This is pretty laughable but not as bad as you might think.

Discord, properly managed, is a professional grade platform by this point. Server roles, decent security, good voice distribution. Content is encrypted, sign in supports 2-factor. There is a reason its gotten popular. Ukraine doesn't need to fear the biggest downside to using it as platform (Glowie infiltration/shutdown).

In a situation like this, you would presumably have very small numbers of known, verifiable people with access and this would reduce/prevent the usual source of Discord leaks which is lurker accounts and compromised bots.

It is also conceivable that AFU has their own dedicated servers set up for them.

Anyway, this is some shit right out of cyberpunk
DISCORD NITRO: THE OFFICIAL CHAT SERVER OF THE BATTLE FOR BAKHMUT
and by
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 11, OFFICIAL OPERATING SYSTEM OF UKRAINIAN BATTLESPACE. WINDOWS 11, BATTLE TESTED. Find out more at microsoft.com/win11

How would you go about hacking Discord?

Compromise the corporate infra/servers, or get some ukrainian with access to install some Minecraft mods.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

Finland is now part of NATO, I am sure Russia is pretty happy about the news.


I think its time for the US to make a few military bases near the Russian boarder.

 

[Kept Ya Waiting Huh]

get some ukrainian with access to install some Minecraft mods

I infer that they probably don't use mobile, or at least a few key ranking members do. If they caught any Ukrainian soldier with the app and forced him to open his phone and log into Discord, that would be wraps for comms. However, in the hands of bases and devotees, such a thing might not happen. As for espionage, I kinda doubt it if access is either private or stationary and under supervision.

Infrastructure hacking could be an issue, but I feel like hacking into a software corporation's entire server to get a log of messages and VO data to maybe turn the tides on one key city might not be worth the effort.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

One more possibility: There's a lot of things they could be doing with Discord that aren't strictly classified. They could be talking with the press, or politicians, some relatively unimportant maintenance or maybe even "Please bring more beetroots to make borscht."

 

[mindlessobserver]

The real crime with that photo is not that they are using Discord, it's that the monitors were on when the photo was taken. If you look at ANY photos of an American Army command post, either the monitors are turned off or all the pictures are taken front facing with the screens turned away from the camera.

Really bad INFOSEC. We should not even know they are using Discord in the first place. I suppose at this point it doesn't even matter. In Iraq the US Army routinely used IRC chat. The same program World of War craft nerds used to organize their guild chats were also used for various Brigade formations to talk to subordinate units command posts. I bet there even was some crossover between WoW guild members and actual soldiers dropping Heavy Ordinance on hajjis. The only difference is it was done over the SIPR network instead of open net. There is nothing wrong with using an off the shelf platform. The issue comes when the enemy knows you are using it, and how.

 

[Ghostse]

Finland is now part of NATO, I am sure Russia is pretty happy about the news.
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I think its time for the US to make a few military bases near the Russian boarder.

I know Sleepy Joe wouldn't do it, but imagine Putin waking up monday to learn 200 or so F-22s and a brigade of the 101st are now in Finland and based 50 miles from St. Petersberg.
Vlad would really be wishing he hadn't wasted those S300's trying to freeze grandma.

I haven't seen or heard anyone use the term hoopty in a long time. Probably since the 90's. lol

Special Military Operation in Ukraine: Slang from the 90s, Tanks from the 50s

The real crime with that photo is not that they are using Discord, it's that the monitors were on when the photo was taken. If you look at ANY photos of an American Army command post, either the monitors are turned off or all the pictures are taken front facing with the screens turned away from the camera.

Really bad INFOSEC. We should not even know they are using Discord in the first place. I suppose at this point it doesn't even matter. In Iraq the US Army routinely used IRC chat. The same program World of War craft nerds used to organize their guild chats were also used for various Brigade formations to talk to subordinate units command posts. I bet there even was some crossover between WoW guild members and actual soldiers dropping Heavy Ordinance on hajjis. The only difference is it was done over the SIPR network instead of open net. There is nothing wrong with using an off the shelf platform. The issue comes when the enemy knows you are using it, and how.

My thoughts too about the monitors, but I think that makes @Blatant hypocrite 's point more valid about that being insecure coms. I still wouldn't have let them get a pic of the screen because of all the shit you can glean from it. Or who knows, maybe that's secret Ukraine Command comms, its really hard to tell. Slavs gonna Slav after all.

Also Discord and IRC are not in the same class. IRC is a protocol - you can have different clients, make your own secure servers, etc. Discord has APIs so you could in theory make a different client but they haven't released any server code. You are dependent on Discord's infrastructure.

One more possibility: There's a lot of things they could be doing with Discord that aren't strictly classified. They could be talking with the press, or politicians, some relatively unimportant maintenance or maybe even "Please bring more beetroots to make borscht."

Actually that's a good point I hadn't thought of.
That could basically be the press room - better than embedding a reporter because you can mute the mic when its super secret squirrel time.