Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

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I don't hate people. I hate the values they hold and push to others.

The troon movement is pushing liberal worldview to the brink. Tolerance is good. It allows retards like me to exist. But there's always the question "what level of tolerance is too much" and genderspecials have clearly passed that point.
I used to think the answer to that was "intolerance," and in a way that's still true. Except it's not just "intolerance of others", it's also "intolerance of existing society."
The kind of troons that get posted here are intolerant of existing society. They expect everyone and everything to cater to their worldview.

Be as weird and fucked up as you want. If you keep it in a closed circle and don't do direct harm, nobody should ever care. If you decide to campaign for your worldview to become widely accepted, expect pushback.
Unfortunately for everyone, troons think that pushback is "genocide" and libtards/leftists/whatever that pushback is bad, and doubly so because troons consider it "genocide".
The way sexual and gender nonconforming people are actively destroying their own support base is infuriating. The genuine shock from the San Francisco Men's Choir perfectly illustrates the mentality of these narcissists. A bunch of creepy men smirking and announcing that they're "coming for your children"? Of course any sane parent or guardian of kids is going to flip their shit, especially when those creepy men have left a slimy trail of open sexual deviancy over the net. And the way that women once again are being blamed for men's violence and sexual deviance- it's women's own fault that fetishic males are being deviants in dresses and attacking and raping those women and lesbians who don't willingly submit. We've gone from it being the woman's fault she got raped to it being the woman's fault she got raped over the course of a single generation. Autists and homosexuals are being legally sterilised and parents who protest are being destroyed by the males who run the faculties ... but it's women's rights and homosexual rights that are at fault here, especially when male rapists are put in women's jails that are run by males.

Women's rights, homosexual rights, gender nonconformity ... the pushback is coming and at the end, we're going to but back fifty years. It's not just the alternative communities that are at fault, it's the 'allies' who jumped in because it's fashionable and a way of gaining power and consequence free abuse of others. It's like the civil rights activists in America not asking why black communities are fucked to hell and just going, "muh racism" and being *surprise Pikachu face* now that entire cities are battlezones after defunding police.

Creeps and morons are destroying everything that others have spent generations building, and it glows so bright it's blinding. No government campaign could lobby so effectively for rolling back civil rights than the people who are 'promoting' civil rights now. And the people who have to actually live on the margins are the ones who are paying, right now.
 
I’m newly peaked with this Nashville shooter but not for the reasons you’d think. This shooter is being misgendered all over the place and I don’t see any real freaking out for them like I do when an MTF gets misgendered, i.e. when Chris went to jail for fucking his mother and all trans twitter could focus on was “ITS CHRISTINE YOU TERFS”. Another layer of the fact that this is just all about the men, fuck women, including the women trying to be men.
I think the gymnastics behind this are that Hale transitioned into the gender of privilege, so misgendering her is A-OK, as opposed to MtFs who are transitioning to be their true oppressed gender.
They overreacted so fucking much. JKR didn't call for their annihilation, she simply voiced her concern over men in dresses entering female bathrooms, and them competing against real women in sports, completely ignoring any biological advantages they might have. The best example of this in my opinion is that one time when a male-to-female troon competed against an actual woman in MMA(?) and hit her so hard she had to be rushed to hospital because her skull was cracked. When asked about it, the troon replied: 'Women just have to train harder, there is no such thing as a biological advantage'.
To prove how retarded that is, there was that on rapper dude who declared himself a transwoman, then proceeded to break the female heavyweight lifting world record, then promptly 'detransitioned'.
For the uninitiated, the rapper in question is ZUBY ( Archive ).
 
I try not to hate, but my feelings on "trans rights" have moved from indifferent, to wary, to against.

It's because of the fact that that troonery has infiltrated and then dominated pretty much every remotely left-wing cause in the past decade. I support social safety nets and environmentalism, not men in dresses.

Hating JK Rowling, or going after anyone who criticizes the use of puberty blockers, gets more energy from most popular left movements and publications than workers' rights or environmentalism do. It's reached the point that in the mainstream or even any center/left of center political party, anything short of complete capitulation to anything a trans person says, is violence and genocide. Love is love, so you have to be willing to fuck any troon, even though 99% of the gays I've run into just keep to themselves and never made a move on me as a straight man. That shit makes no sense to me, but questioning it will get you in deep shit.

There are, to my knowledge, more studies that convincingly demonstrate that sexual attraction is not something you can control, than there are confirming basically anything in the popular discourse around gender identities. Meanwhile troons harass and go full-on racist towards any minority who doesn't respect their histrionic claims of being the most oppressed minority ever. Meanwhile Jamal can't stop being black, but "Alice" or "Clara" or whatever it is this week can stop wearing a dress. Speaking of, ever notice how often troons change their names? It's like the modern day equivalent of moving a state over and going by a different name.

Used to consider myself a left-winger when it came to politics, now it's just I hold some left-wing beliefs. And God knows where that'll go in another year or two.
 
God knows where that'll go in another year or two.
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There are, to my knowledge, more studies that convincingly demonstrate that sexual attraction is not something you can control,
The insistence on teaching people to suck the girlcock has peaked me hard. Just like "wax my balls" did before. Call it "deconstructing" call it "unlearning biggotry" call it whatever.
It is just their oh-so-horrible "conversion therapy" but is OK when they do it. Of course.
 
Maybe this is not the thread for it, but man, life is good.
I think my cousin is finally hitting the peak. It seems that Tik Tok of all things peaked her. She was a bit of a transmaiden before, but seeing a couple of Tik Toks about how unfair troonism is for sportswomen made her start questioning the programming. It probably struck a chord with her, as she has been playing basketball for a loooong time.
No matter how hopeless it may seem sometimes, most people will eventually see the light and question the narratives shoved down their throats. We just have to help them along the way :).
 
I try not to hate, but my feelings on "trans rights" have moved from indifferent, to wary, to against.

It's because of the fact that that troonery has infiltrated and then dominated pretty much every remotely left-wing cause in the past decade. I support social safety nets and environmentalism, not men in dresses.

Hating JK Rowling, or going after anyone who criticizes the use of puberty blockers, gets more energy from most popular left movements and publications than workers' rights or environmentalism do. It's reached the point that in the mainstream or even any center/left of center political party, anything short of complete capitulation to anything a trans person says, is violence and genocide. Love is love, so you have to be willing to fuck any troon, even though 99% of the gays I've run into just keep to themselves and never made a move on me as a straight man. That shit makes no sense to me, but questioning it will get you in deep shit.

There are, to my knowledge, more studies that convincingly demonstrate that sexual attraction is not something you can control, than there are confirming basically anything in the popular discourse around gender identities. Meanwhile troons harass and go full-on racist towards any minority who doesn't respect their histrionic claims of being the most oppressed minority ever. Meanwhile Jamal can't stop being black, but "Alice" or "Clara" or whatever it is this week can stop wearing a dress. Speaking of, ever notice how often troons change their names? It's like the modern day equivalent of moving a state over and going by a different name.

Used to consider myself a left-winger when it came to politics, now it's just I hold some left-wing beliefs. And God knows where that'll go in another year or two.
The left needs a cultural reform imo. We need to start calling somethings a spade instead saying that spade is simply a construct. Like gender is flexible, but trying to ignore the biological differences between men and women is stupid. Gendered bathrooms exist because of biological reasons not social ones. Same with sports. Like dressing in feminine clothing is fine. But once they started saying giving hormones to children is not dangerous is the point we need to take a step back and say "get some help"
 
Sounds crazy but the thing that made me hit peak trans was actually BEING a troon. People I met within the community were almost invariably mentally ill and seemed to adopt this victim complex to absolve themselves of all responsibility for their issues. Eventually I realised that there was very little difference between the "true" trannies I grouped myself with and the AGP ogres I'd cringe at on the street; all were unstable people clinging on to their fantasy of becoming a member of the opposite sex for empty validation.

As soon I removed myself from troon circles and accepted myself as my birth sex, my formerly debilitating body dysphoria became totally irrelevant. Looking in from the outside after having fully detrooned, I now see the true extent of the damage the ideology inflicts upon people. This very website helped in my understanding as well by showing off the true nature of the community's most prominent figures. So thanks Kiwis.
Can you explain for the rest of us who have never personally dealt with these issues what your experience of "debilitating body dysphoria" was like? Serious question, I have asked other troons and never gotten a good answer.
 
Can you explain for the rest of us who have never personally dealt with these issues what your experience of "debilitating body dysphoria" was like? Serious question, I have asked other troons and never gotten a good answer.

Sure thing.

Imagine you're a young person on the Internet. (Not uncommon these days.) For whatever reason, you feel insecure - maybe there's a lot of changes going on in your life, maybe you lack a sense of community, whatever it is.

Somehow, you encounter an online community for transgender people. Perhaps someone sent you a weird link after you made some offhand comment about "what if I was [opposite gender]?" This is how it begins. Even if the thought of being a troon never occurred to you, online trans spaces use truly insidious messaging to get inside your head. Check out these relatable memes! Do you [insert symptom of social anxiety]? You might be like us! If this statement makes you question yourself even for a second, you MUST be trans. Look at all these testimonies from happy transgender people! The real issue with you is that your gender is wrong, and you can finally live an authentic life as your true self if you just take these pills, change your name, have this surgery...

You might ignore it at first, but these things plant seeds in your mind. One day, looking in the mirror, you think to yourself "What if I had facial hair?" or "What if I had breasts?" . You go back to the trans spaces, and they tell you yes. Yes you are one of us. You are one of us and you need to transition NOW because your body is literally destroying itself the longer you wait and you will live to regret it otherwise. Let the cycle repeat itself a few times and it eventually begins to perpetuate itself as you learn to redefine certain quirks of your personality, or innocuous occurrences from your childhood, as surefire signs that you should have been born the opposite sex. It reaches a point where you can't bear to look at yourself in the mirror or be touched in certain places because the thoughts consume your entire being, and THIS is what I meant when I mentioned body dysphoria.

So you bite the bullet and troon out. The difficult thing is, no matter how deep you get into transition that feeling never goes away - its focus only shifts to a different body part, or a different element of your presentation, or your voice, or your personality, or your interests, or the guy across the street who looked at you funny, and for as long as you keep indulging the delusion it follows you everywhere. This is because gender dysphoria comes not from one's biology, nor from oppressive societal norms; rather, it's a physical manifestation of your deep-seated insecurities, which are projected onto your own body because you're taught to believe that transition will fix EVERYTHING.

Some people follow the road of transition until they reach a dead end. A body pumped full of cross-sex hormones, a resculpted face, genitals mangled into a poor imitation of nature's craftsmanship, and for what? People come up with all sorts of ways to cope after reaching that final point - isn't this the life they wanted? And yet, after following every step exactly as they were told, the dreaded feeling remains, and you can tell that at some level they understand the hell they've entered themselves into. These are the people I pity the most, even though they did it to themselves in a sense. I was lucky enough to step off the path before wrecking myself in any truly irreversible ways.

Apologies for the essay but hopefully it answered your question.
 
Let the cycle repeat itself a few times and it eventually begins to perpetuate itself as you learn to redefine certain quirks of your personality, or innocuous occurrences from your childhood, as surefire signs that you should have been born the opposite sex.
That's not all they do. Like other cults, they also try to get you to reframe your own memory so that your family and friends are evil and you have to disconnect from them because they hate you for what you are. This isolates the person and leaves them with only the cult for social support. And that's when they really have their hooks in you.

Nobody outside the cult can disagree without literally wanting you genocided, so you have to KILL TERFs, RAPE TERFs, the most evil people alive.
 
You might ignore it at first, but these things plant seeds in your mind. One day, looking in the mirror, you think to yourself "What if I had facial hair?" or "What if I had breasts?" . You go back to the trans spaces, and they tell you yes. Yes you are one of us. You are one of us and you need to transition NOW because your body is literally destroying itself the longer you wait and you will live to regret it otherwise. Let the cycle repeat itself a few times and it eventually begins to perpetuate itself as you learn to redefine certain quirks of your personality, or innocuous occurrences from your childhood, as surefire signs that you should have been born the opposite sex. It reaches a point where you can't bear to look at yourself in the mirror or be touched in certain places because the thoughts consume your entire being, and THIS is what I meant when I mentioned body dysphoria.
First of all, I want to sincerely thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed post.

So it's grooming and indoctrination, compounded by more grooming and indoctrination until you start to have a physical manifestation of your disordered thoughts based on all of the lies you have been fed. I am extremely glad for you that you were able to break away from this poisonous ideology. I try not to get mad at the internet, but in this case I'll make an exception. The thought of this happening to vulnerable kids all over the world sickens me.

Let me ask you a few follow up questions, if you don't mind...

1. What, if anything, would have been an effective intervention to break the cult's stranglehold on you prior to taking the plunge and trooning out? Either in your specific case or in more general terms.

2. How can society best support detransitioners? I've seen how vitriolic the trans community is to detrans people, because the thing that any cult member absolutely can't abide is an apostate, but what do you think that society can do to make it easier for people who've been sucked into this cult to leave it?

3. The trans cult is obviously not amenable to reason or facts, but do you have any ideas on how to educate people on how they operate in such a way that kids and young adults can be put on their guard that this is out there so they can avoid becoming victims of this insanity?

Again, thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
 
I never had a specific issue with it. I've always been one of those guys who would crack jokes about someone being a "tranny" to his friends in the 2000s and 2010s, there always was a basic taboo that it was weird but as long as no one caused any problems despite being a troon I didn't mind particularly.

But then I noticed the rise of that particularly nasty SJW stuff on Tumblr circa 2013 or so, and surprise, a ton of it related to gender and sexuality. I thought "wow wtf these people have a really weird neurotic focus on something that everyone else I've met, including the gays I know, have a hold on and know isn't a real issue if you're sane". It was worse than any other political ideology or creed, you could argue with a commie or a Fascist and maybe even extract confessions that their specific brand of ideology had issues and could use changes for their country or the modern world. The troon and sex freak pervert would never consent any ground for any reason at all no matter how reasonable you were or what you conceded. Hallmark narcissism.

Well, gradually as they took on more cultish aspects and more extreme sexualization, fetishization, blatant predatory behavior towards women and children, I gradually took on a strong anti-troon stance myself. These idiots forgot Newton's Laws, there will be an equal opposite reaction, and many I know can feel it emerging, and you can even see it here in the progression of this thread. These people aren't some harmless weird effeminate gay who genuinely has female tendencies or a man with XXY disorder, they're porn addicts, people with serious mental health issues, sexual predators, the easily gaslit, etc.
 
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i came pre peaked according to long time friends of mine, over a decade ago we had someone who hung out with us sometmes that is every bad stereotype of TIM. i was called a TERF for expressing some obvious shit but they (the TIM was not in this convo) agreed with me then we moved on to talk about something interestng.

took a long time to dawn just how damaging this is to women. when JKR became persona non grata i noticed in my social media not a single female brings up TRA type shit, its all men. found that interesting and realised its cos they have nothing to lose by trampling women's rights. finally got interested in finding out exactly what was going on, read the entire SRS thread on here as part of that and a few books on Trans shit specifically and the wider context that got us here.

peaking is a continuous process to me, there's the initial "this is bullshit" if you didn't think so before. but then every deranged thing you see them doing adds to it. every single time i go into the major city near me i see some 6 foot+ AGP in miniskirt, fishnets and heals when everyone else is in jeans and casual shoes. and i'm sorta grateful for that. these men must begin the peaking process for many people every time they leave the house.
 
If you ever feel like taking TERFs seriously on anything but troons, remember that they are the crazy chicks who wrote “The Vagina Monologues” or consider it an important piece of theater art.
That bitch is no TERF:
"Ten years ago, I was thrilled when a group of transgender women decided to do an all-trans production of my play [The Vagina Monologues]."

"The Vagina Monologues never intended to be a play about what it means to be a woman....In the play, I never defined a woman as a person with a vagina."

 
I'm reaching new heights of peaking I didn't think possible in the last few days after watching people defend the child murderer Audrey Hale coz MUH GENOCIDE & ThErE iS nO eXcUsE fOr MiSgEnDeRiNg.

I took a giant step back to re-evaluate the whole community after how they treated JK Rowling and that was nothing compared to child murder and lies about genocide. I cannot fathom how someone's brain can get so rotted to the point where they would continue to defend this community.

Putting convicted male rapists into women's prisons is so blatantly and objectively wrong. Even just that one thing should be making people think "hang on a moment", but they don't.

Everybody in the world knows kids are dumb and can't make adult decisions. We all know this, it has been known since the dawn of time the kids need the protection of adults so they could reach adulthood. Now we're saying kids can make informed decisions about going on blockers and HRT at 11 years old. Really?
If you tell an 11 year old they will never be able to have an orgasm or a fulfilling sex life, do they really understand what they are giving up? Of course not.

I know we don't know what's in the child murderer's manifesto but I think we can make a pretty good fucking guess as It was pretty obvious to me and others who have been following their shenanigans, their rhetoric was becoming more violent and unhinged before the shooting.

Six people are dead and people with a straight face seriously are saying the trans community will be most effected. I'm more than comfortable saying they fucking caused this in the first place.

And what do these bills in Tennessee do anyway that apparently forced Audrey to murder kids?

- As enacted, creates an offense for a person who engages in an adult cabaret performance on public property or in a location where the adult cabaret performance could be viewed by a person who is not an adult
- As enacted, prohibits a healthcare provider from performing on a minor or administering to a minor a medical procedure if the performance or administration of the procedure is for the purpose of enabling a minor to identify with, or live as, a purported identity inconsistent with the minor’s sex.
- As introduced, authorizes a private school to create a policy to regulate a student's participation in the school's athletic activities or events based upon a student's biological sex.

OH HEAVENS NO!!!! Peak fucking genocide right there.

Is there any crime a trans person can commit that won't be defended by "the right side of history"? Seriously, where is the line now that we have reached child murder and people still defend them?

How very dare any of these fuckheaded scumbags claim to be on the right side of history.

Yeah I'm mad.
 
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First of all, I want to sincerely thank you for taking the time to write such a detailed post.

Thank you for reading it. KF feels like one of the few places on the web where I can reach people outside the detrans community without being bombarded by TRA bullshit.

Let me ask you a few follow up questions, if you don't mind...

1. What, if anything, would have been an effective intervention to break the cult's stranglehold on you prior to taking the plunge and trooning out? Either in your specific case or in more general terms.

Unfortunately, it can be very difficult to intervene in this kind of situation. This is because of the online nature of the trans community, which makes it difficult to notice when someone is affected by their ideology until they're deeply entrenched in it. Directly challenging their beliefs is unlikely to work, as this only enforces the us-vs-them mentality which the community pushes - in my experience, much of the "transphobia" I was exposed to (as true as I now realise it was) only contributed to the belief that I was part of this oppressed minority group, leading me back to trans spaces for support.

Maybe if I'd heard more detransition stories earlier on I would have hesitated. The concept of detransition goes against the idea that trooning out is a magical fix for all problems.

2. How can society best support detransitioners? I've seen how vitriolic the trans community is to detrans people, because the thing that any cult member absolutely can't abide is an apostate, but what do you think that society can do to make it easier for people who've been sucked into this cult to leave it?

This may seem counterintuitive, but I think we need to be more sympathetic towards trans people. Obviously not like "being a troon sucks i feel so sorry for you" in a way that reinforces the delusion, but we should try to understand why people transition. As I said above, open hostility doesn't change anyone's mind.

TIMs get this especially bad because they're constantly labeled as sick perverts who troon out to gain access to vulnerable women. Of course, some of them are like that, but for those who aren't it just makes the people who say these things seem overly hateful. Who would you rather listen to if you were a troon; the people who call you a degenerate and tell you to 41% over something that seems out of your control, or the community that understands your condition and leads you towards the only cure? I feel this is a major reason why we see noticeably more female detransitioners than males.

The personally directed hate trannies receive (although in some cases justified) is used to guilt ordinary people into feeling sorry for them, and to keep transitioning people from straying too far outside the hugbox. I think if we were to take that away and instead push healthy alternatives to gender transition they'd suddenly seem a whole lot less reasonable.

3. The trans cult is obviously not amenable to reason or facts, but do you have any ideas on how to educate people on how they operate in such a way that kids and young adults can be put on their guard that this is out there so they can avoid becoming victims of this insanity?

Talk about the countless instances of grooming within the community. Spread testimonies from detransitioners. Share botched surgery results. It's crucial that these uncomfortable truths about the consequences of trooning are visible, because people are seeing the supposed miracle cure far too long before they come into contact with the grim reality. Merely claiming "trannies are evil and satanic" or "it's basic biology" does nothing at all to discourage anyone because it fails to address the issues that lead many people to transition in the first place: namely, their lack of community, a general feeling of insecurity, and the desire for an easy solution to both.

So that's about it. While hate towards the trans ideology is more than justified, I feel that it's often poorly directed, and we can only defeat the movement with an accurate understanding of how it operates in the first place. I was going to object to your usage of the word "cult" but honestly the more I talk the more I feel like I escaped one.
 
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