Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Bulk Bogan]

aircraft pilots dont declare wars nor do they have any say in what operations they get to fly
these are not wives of shoigu and gerasimov tier decision makers

Spoiler: Not a good excuse

Gonna dispel this right now. Ukraine has a blank check. Ukraine has done more with NATO military aid in 1 year then literally every other third world shithole handed decades worth of funding. The US and the EU are going to fund Ukraine's military for however long it takes. They FINALLY have a horse worth betting on in the great game.

It's so nice to finally back a winner. The MIC gets to feed on blood that isn't American for once!

 

[Uranus Pink]

Finland is now part of NATO, I am sure Russia is pretty happy about the news.

Forget the Russians you should see the salt, isms and outright lying the Russian supporting Americans have been doing over this.

 

[Pork Packer]

Following on from my prior comment about an embarrassing russian propaganda rodent, here is a new article by one of my favorite professional russia simps Pepe Escobar which manages to redefine the words "obsequious" and "sycophantic" in ways never yet seen, along with the words "pretentious" and "autistic"

The Capital of the Multipolar World: A Moscow Diary

How sharp was good ol’ Lenin, prime modernist, when he mused, “there are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen”. This global nomad now addressing you has enjoyed the privilege of spending four astonishing weeks in Moscow at the heart of an historical crossroads – culminating with the Putin-Xi geopolitical game-changing summit at the Kremlin.

To quote Xi, “changes that haven’t been seen in 100 years” do have a knack of affecting us all in more ways than one.

James Joyce, another modernity icon, wrote that we spend our lives meeting average and/or extraordinary people, on and on and on, but in the end we’re always meeting ourselves. I have had the privilege of meeting an array of extraordinary people in Moscow, guided by trusted friends or by auspicious coincidence: in the end your soul tells you they enrich you and the overarching historical moment in ways you can’t even begin to fathom.

Here are some of them. The grandson of Boris Pasternak, a gifted young man who teaches Ancient Greek at Moscow State University. A historian with unmatched knowledge of Russian history and culture. The Tajik working class huddling together in a chaikhana with the proper ambience of Dushanbe.

Chechens and Tuvans in awe doing the loop in the Big Central Line. A lovely messenger sent by friends extremely careful about security matters to discuss issues of common interest. Exceptionally accomplished musicians performing underground in Mayakovskaya. A stunning Siberian princess vibrant with unbounded energy, taking that motto previously applied to the energy industry – Power of Siberia – to a whole new level.

A dear friend took me to Sunday service at the Devyati Muchenikov Kizicheskikh church, the favorite of Peter the Great: the quintessential purity of Eastern Orthodoxy. Afterwards the priests invited us for lunch in their communal table, displaying not only their natural wisdom but also an uproarious sense of humor.

At a classic Russian apartment crammed with 10,000 books and with a view to the Ministry of Defense – plenty of jokes included – Father Michael, in charge if Orthodox Christianity relations with the Kremlin, sang the Russian imperial anthem after an indelible night of religious and cultural discussions.

I had the honor to meet some of those who were particularly targeted by the imperial machine of lies. Maria Butina – vilified by the proverbial “spy who came in from the cold” shtick – now a deputy at the Duma. Viktor Bout – which pop culture metastasized into the “Lord of War”, complete with Nic Cage movie: I was speechless when he told me he was reading me in maximum security prison in the USA, via pen drives sent by his friends (he had no internet access). The indefatigable, iron-willed Mira Terada – tortured when she was in a U.S. prison, now heading a foundation protecting children caught in hard times.

I spent much treasured quality time and engaged in invaluable discussions with Alexander Dugin – the crucial Russian of these post-everything times, a man of pure inner beauty, exposed to unimaginable suffering after the terrorist assassination of Darya Dugina, and still able to muster a depth and reach when it comes to drawing connections across the philosophy, history and history of civilizations spectrum that is virtually unmatched in the West.

On the offensive against Russophobia

And then there were the diplomatic, academic and business meetings. From the head of international investor relations of Norilsk Nickel to Rosneft executives, not to mention the EAEU’s Sergey Glazyev himself, side by side with his top economic adviser Dmitry Mityaev, I was given a crash course on the current A to Z of Russian economy – including serious problems to be addressed.

At the Valdai Club, what really mattered were the meetings on the sidelines, much more than the actual panels: that’s when Iranians, Pakistanis, Turks, Syrians, Kurds, Palestinians, Chinese tell you what is really in their hearts and minds.
The official launch of the International Movement of Russophiles was a special highlight of these four weeks. A special message written by President Putin was read by Foreign Minister Lavrov, who then delivered his own speech. Later, at the House of Receptions of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, four of us were received by Lavrov at a private audience. Future cultural projects were discussed. Lavrov was extremely relaxed, displaying his matchless sense of humor.
This is a cultural as much as a political movement, designed to fight Russophobia and to tell the Russian story, in all its immensely rich aspects, especially to the Global South.

I am a founding member and my name is on the charter. In my nearly four decades as a foreign correspondent, I have never been part of any political/cultural movement anywhere in the world; nomad independents are a fierce breed. But this is extremely serious: the current, irredeemably mediocre self-described “elites” of the collective West want no less than cancel Russia all across the spectrum. No pasarán.

Spirituality, compassion, mercy

Decades happening in only four weeks imply precious time needed to put it all in perspective.

The initial gut feeling the day I arrived, after a seven-hour walk under snow flurries, was confirmed: this is the capital of the multipolar world. I saw it among the West Asians at the Valdai. I saw it talking to visiting Iranians, Turks and Chinese. I saw it when over 40 African delegations took over the whole area around the Duma – the day Xi arrived in town. I saw it throughout the reception across the Global South to what Xi and Putin are proposing to the overwhelming majority of the planet.

In Moscow you feel no crisis. No effects of sanctions. No unemployment. No homeless people in the streets. Minimal inflation. Import substitution in all areas, especially agriculture, has been a resounding success. Supermarkets have everything – and more – compared to the West. There’s an abundance of first-rate restaurants. You can buy a Bentley or a Loro Pianna cashmere coat you can’t even find in Italy. We laughed about it chatting with managers at the TSUM department store. At the BiblioGlobus bookstore, one of them told me, “We are the Resistance.”

By the way, I had the honor to deliver a talk on the war in Ukraine at the coolest bookshop in town, Bunker, mediated by my dear friend, immensely knowledgeable Dima Babich. A huge responsibility. Especially because Vladimir L. was in the audience. He’s Ukrainian, and spent 8 years, up to 2022, telling it like it really was to Russian radio, until he managed to leave – after being held at gunpoint – using an internal Ukrainian passport. Later we went to a Czech beer hall where he detailed his extraordinary story.

In Moscow, their toxic ghosts are always lurking in the background. Yet one cannot but feel sorry for the psycho Straussian neocons and neoliberal-cons who now barely qualify as Zbig “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski’s puny orphans.
In the late 1990s, Brzezinski pontificated that, “Ukraine, a new and important space on the Eurasian chessboard, is a geopolitical center because its very existence as an independent state helps transform Russia. Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be a Eurasian empire.”

With or without a demilitarized and denazified Ukraine, Russia has already changed the narrative. This is not about becoming a Eurasian empire again. This is about leading the long, complex process of Eurasia integration – already in effect – in parallel to supporting true, sovereign independence across the Global South.

I left Moscow – the Third Rome – towards Constantinople – the Second Rome – one day before Secretary of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev gave a devastating interview to Rossiyskaya Gazeta once again outlining all the essentialities inherent to the NATO vs. Russia war.

This is what particularly struck me: “Our centuries-old culture is based on spirituality, compassion and mercy. Russia is a historical defender of sovereignty and statehood of any peoples who turned to it for help. She saved the U.S. itself at least twice, during the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. But I believe that this time it is impractical to help the United States maintain its integrity.”

In my last night, before hitting a Georgian restaurant, I was guided by the perfect companion off Pyatnitskaya to a promenade along the Moscow River, beautiful rococo buildings gloriously lighted, the scent of Spring – finally – in the air. It’s one of those “Wild Strawberry” moments out of Bergman’s masterpiece that hits the bottom of our soul. Like mastering the Tao in practice. Or the perfect meditative insight at the top of the Himalayas, the Pamirs or the Hindu Kush.
So the conclusion is inevitable. I’ll be back. Soon.

Aside from textwalls of north korean dear leader tier praise/twilight fanfic tier purple prose and the most deluded cope this side of the missisipi, the reason I regularly like to site this particular jungle-beaner is because of how utterly ubiquitous he is in the russia shill sphere and how you can find him fucking everwhere in these circles, from edgelord pretend communists at the gray zone to edgelord pretend nazis at UNZ

However, amidst the textbook unironic cringe about muh third rome and muhltipolarity and whatnot there was this rather amusing sidenote

With or without a demilitarized and denazified Ukraine, Russia has already changed the narrative

....or to put it plainly, even this servile little shill is preparing to shift the narrative away from his previous "RUSSIA IS WINNING AND WILL CONQUER UKRAINE IN MERE HOURS!" to "who even cares about the silly little skirmish in ukraine? muh-russia is winning the LONG game and it totally won the moral argument"

Incidentally, for those wanting the actual anemic meat of this cringy fluff piece, I have taken the liberty of removing all unnecessary adjectives, metaphors, and ultra autistic asides.

I spent four weeks in moscow after Putin met Xi at the kremlin

I met a variety of people in moscow as part of my organised tour.

They include the grandson of the guy who wrote Dr Zhivago, an ancient greek specialist, a russian historian, some randos from Tajikistan.

Also there were random tourists from different parts of russia, some random guy sent by people I know, street musicians, and some chick I creepily leered at.

I went to a church, the priest invited my tour group for lunch.

They had a lot of books in their apartment, sang the national anthem, and talked about stuff.

I met the chick who tried to catfish the NRA who is now a party official. I also met the arms dealer Nick Cage played in Lord of War who told me he sekritly smuggled in usb drives. I also met a chick who went to american jail for a few years.

I also met Alexander Dugin. Hes still sad his daughter got blowd up.

On the offensive against Russophobia
I had a variety of diplomatic, academic and business meetings with a variety of russian execs who talked about the russian economy.

I then went to the Valdai Club, and met a bunch of different peoplle from western and central asia. We had lunch to celebrate the latest meeting of the official russia shill club. The horse faced diplomat guy droned a message from putin and said some extra stuff. Later my tour group had a meeting with horse face. He was funny.

I am a founding member of the russia shill club. I am a special and mysterious lone wanderer snowflake but I love muh russia so much because west bad.

Spirituality, compassion, mercy
I walked around for a bit while it was snowing. I saw various ethnic people. This made me decide russia was actually the capital of all humanity.

Everything is fine in moscow, there are no problems and everone is happy and nobody who is unhappy is allowed to be seen. Russia is spending insane amounts of money keeping western consoomer goods avaliable for the elites.

I was allowed to give a speech about how ukraine bad at a random bookstore that google images reveals to look like a hipster took over a grade school library. There was a ukrainian in the audience who said he agreed with me.

West bad. West stole ukraine from russia.

russia dont need no ukraine and it doesnt matter if it loses the war because its so special.

russia is third rome™. Im now going to istantbul.

A day before I left a russian government secretary said russia saved america and won the revolutionary war AND the civil war for it. And now it will destroy america.

Moscow purdy.

 

[draggs]

Don't you talk like that about Pepe, he is funny as fuck with his "Magnitogorsk Tractor Factory Special Correspondent here, tractor production has overfulfilled norms again this week by 400%, imperialism is doomed" shtick

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

tl;dr: This is pretty laughable but not as bad as you might think.

Discord, properly managed, is a professional grade platform by this point. Server roles, decent security, good voice distribution. Content is encrypted, sign in supports 2-factor. There is a reason its gotten popular. Ukraine doesn't need to fear the biggest downside to using it as platform (Glowie infiltration/shutdown).

In a situation like this, you would presumably have very small numbers of known, verifiable people with access and this would reduce/prevent the usual source of Discord leaks which is lurker accounts and compromised bots.

It is also conceivable that AFU has their own dedicated servers set up for them.

Anyway, this is some shit right out of cyberpunk
DISCORD NITRO: THE OFFICIAL CHAT SERVER OF THE BATTLE FOR BAKHMUT
and by
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 11, OFFICIAL OPERATING SYSTEM OF UKRAINIAN BATTLESPACE. WINDOWS 11, BATTLE TESTED. Find out more at microsoft.com/win11


Compromise the corporate infra/servers, or get some ukrainian with access to install some Minecraft mods.

My point is, intelligence leaks are most often caused by spies and collaborators, rather than being hackud.

The real crime with that photo is not that they are using Discord, it's that the monitors were on when the photo was taken. If you look at ANY photos of an American Army command post, either the monitors are turned off or all the pictures are taken front facing with the screens turned away from the camera.

Really bad INFOSEC. We should not even know they are using Discord in the first place. I suppose at this point it doesn't even matter. In Iraq the US Army routinely used IRC chat. The same program World of War craft nerds used to organize their guild chats were also used for various Brigade formations to talk to subordinate units command posts. I bet there even was some crossover between WoW guild members and actual soldiers dropping Heavy Ordinance on hajjis. The only difference is it was done over the SIPR network instead of open net. There is nothing wrong with using an off the shelf platform. The issue comes when the enemy knows you are using it, and how.

I really have no fucking idea how this was even allowed, or how it's supposed to benefit Ukraine. Showing this and explaining how it works is a bad fucking idea no matter how I look at it.

@Spud Stacker Man, this dude is the walking definition of a shill. The only reason he's a allowed anywhere in vicinity of Moscow as a foreigner is exactly because he's an approved Kremlin mouthpiece saying things they want to hear, not because he's a based and objective journalist or whatever the fuck. What a pathetic piece of shit.

 

[Foltest]

With Finland in NATO, Sweden will join soon, after Turkey are done with their dick measuring.
The Baltic sea will then be hostile towards Russia and their fleet will be next to useless in the event of a big war.

 

[DumbDude43]

With Finland in NATO, Sweden will join soon, after Turkey are done with their dick measuring.
The Baltic sea will then be hostile towards Russia and their fleet will be next to useless in the event of a big war.

sweden doesnt matter very much compared to finland tbh
with finland in the alliance, nato now directly controls most of russias western border from the black sea to the arctic ocean, plus its access to the baltic sea through the gulf of finland

 

[Foltest]

sweden doesnt matter very much compared to finland tbh
with finland in the alliance, nato now directly controls most of russias western border from the black sea to the arctic ocean, plus its access to the baltic sea through the gulf of finland

Swedish military may not be so strong now, but it has good equpiment and the airforce is not something to sneeze at.
I agree with you that Finland will majorly shift the balance of power in the baltic Sea, but Sweden will also play a part in it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Swedish military may not be so strong now, but it has good equpiment and the airforce is not something to sneeze at.
I agree with you that Finland will majorly shift the balance of power in the baltic Sea, but Sweden will also play a part in it.

Maybe we can get a new S-tank out of this.

 

[EyeGuy]

One of the UOC priests being evicted from that monastery in Kyiv chimps out:

 

[Ghostse]

also met the arms dealer Nick Cage played in Lord of War who told me he sekritly smuggled in usb drives.

Congrats Joe, really great trade for a weedhead sportsball lesbian nigger. Well done.

Also my follow up question is: If Lord of War was smuggling usb drives with material into prison (very plausible) the fuck was he reading the contents on?

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

One of the UOC priests being evicted from that monastery in Kyiv chimps out:
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Holy man right there.

 

[mindlessobserver]

One of the UOC priests being evicted from that monastery in Kyiv chimps out:
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What is the tl;dr with this monastery business?

 

[teriyakiburns]

What is the tl;dr with this monastery business?

They are, allegedly, closely aligned with the Russian orthodox church, which is pretty much one giant Russian spy ring.

 

[mindlessobserver]

They are, allegedly, closely aligned with the Russian orthodox church, which is pretty much one giant Russian spy ring.

I figured that was the reason. Explains all the shrieks from the usual suspects about the Jew Zelenskyy cracking down on innocent Christians.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I figured that was the reason. Explains all the shrieks from the usual suspects about the Jew Zelenskyy cracking down on innocent Christians.

There's basically Ukrainian true and honest church and a Muscovy one, they don't like the latter for reasons stated above

 

[Jewthulhu]

This is a Ukrainian base. the article of this photo was The New York Times.

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What I thought. Again, I don't know why they didn't use a better solution. It seems to have the bare minimum of encryption. Fucking Snapchat is more secure.

https://stealthoptional.com/gaming/is-discord-encrypted-2021-how-private-and-secure-is-discord/

If the Vatniks are half right about NATO calling all the shots, I hope someone from NATO finds out and yells at them

Infrastructure hacking could be an issue, but I feel like hacking into a software corporation's entire server to get a log of messages and VO data to maybe turn the tides on one key city might not be worth the effort.

Don't underestimate the value of signals intelligence.

One of the UOC priests being evicted from that monastery in Kyiv chimps out:
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You mean ROC? Seems like a decent amount of chimping from all sides, but the priest should know better.

 

[namai337]

Swedish military may not be so strong now, but it has good equpiment and the airforce is not something to sneeze at.
I agree with you that Finland will majorly shift the balance of power in the baltic Sea, but Sweden will also play a part in it.

Swedish navy that's the kicker that NATO wants them in, due its the largest baltic fleet that will effectively can control baltic sea without putting US ships in there and ofc Gothland can serve as an airbase there, that will efectly turn baltic sea into lake NATO that will prob turn entire russian blatic fleet useless incase of a chimpout.

 

[Snekposter]

Finland is now part of NATO, I am sure Russia is pretty happy about the news.
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I think its time for the US to make a few military bases near the Russian boarder.

Well, he looks like a happy biathlete. I wonder what his score in the shooting portion was.
(Yes, I know who that is and what it was.)

Swedish navy that's the kicker that NATO wants them in, due its the largest baltic fleet that will effectively can control baltic sea without putting US ships in there and ofc Gothland can serve as an airbase there, that will efectly turn baltic sea into lake NATO that will prob turn entire russian blatic fleet useless incase of a chimpout.

I have to ask why Russia even tries to have a navy at this point. Vladivostok is smack dab in the middle of the Sea of Japan and the exits out would be mined and patrolled for subs 24/7. Even if Turkey decided to let the Black Sea Fleet out into the Med that's NATO's mare nostrum, and the Baltic Sea Fleet wouldn't be able to get past the Danish Straits even before Sweden joined on account of Denmark and Norway being founding members of NATO. Russia is fucked lubelessly when it comes to maritime matters. No such thing as freedom of the seas for them if the West decides otherwise. They don't even get to claim the Black Sea since in both WW2 and this one they've lost their fleets to nations without any.

I'll give you one guess how well the Red Navy comported itself.

 

[East_Clintwood]

I have to ask why Russia even tries to have a navy at this point

Because the alternative is to admit that you're not actually equal to US/NATO, and that is anathema to Russian machismo. That's why they continue to insist they're totally going to build a Shturm class CVN, or Lider class nuclear-powered cruisers despite the fact they haven't successfully designed and built a new surface combatant bigger than a frigate since the fall of the USSR.