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[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Like urbanists they're literal children who want to have their cake and eat it too, all while being protected from even the POSSIBILITY of being exposed to anything they don't 100% agree with. Like bitch you think some farmer in Idaho is gonna reinforce your worldview? And how many literal SECONDS is it gonna take for you to start spouting off some political hot take that HE doesn't want to hear?

That is exactly why Hicklibs like Beau of the 5th Column are popular on Breadtube

 

[quaawaa]

I would love this video:

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Not that I trust Jason to do a fair comparison, but it would be hilarious to see their reaction when they learn that people in car dependent areas spend the same or less time running errands as people in transit dependent areas. Most suburbanites already live in a 15 minute or less city and don’t spend hours stuck in traffic while running errands.

The exercise must also be real exercise (i.e. sustained cardio or weight lifting) not the casual walk that you get from the “gym of life”. Good luck competing on total errand time with a suburbanite who works from home, lives a mile from a shopping center, has a park in their subdivision and a home gym, and whose kids take the school bus.

Also, if urbanites walk 5 minutes to the grocery store every day and suburbanites drive 5 minutes to the store once a week, then the urbanites spend over seven times more time shopping.

 

[Super Guido]

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I just want walkable cities...

Thankfully some people in that thread were calling them an asshole. OP doubled down because they're a clueless retard.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I would love this video:
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Not that I trust Jason to do a fair comparison, but it would be hilarious to see their reaction when they learn that people in car dependent areas spend the same or less time running errands as people in transit dependent areas. Most suburbanites already live in a 15 minute or less city and don’t spend hours stuck in traffic while running errands.

The exercise must also be real exercise (i.e. sustained cardio or weight lifting) not the casual walk that you get from the “gym of life”. Good luck competing on total errand time with a suburbanite who works from home, lives a mile from a shopping center, has a park in their subdivision and a home gym, and whose kids take the school bus.

Also, if urbanites walk 5 minutes to the grocery store every day and suburbanites drive 5 minutes to the store once a week, then the urbanites spend over seven times more time shopping.

Of course Jason will not find any controls like in regards to poverty, race, wealth, race, birth rate, immigration, disease, crime, pollution, or anything useful.

He'll frame it as a big question and then suddenly "find" that rich white people in Amsterdam live longer than your common downtrodden American urbanite.

 

[Slap47]

That is exactly why Hicklibs like Beau of the 5th Column are popular on Breadtube

"Hello, I am a revolutionary anarcho-communist who believes in local organization. Please vote for Joe Biden".

 

[WelperHelper99]

In addition to the bike and car underground, the one I saw more commonly in Japan was puzzle parking. Similar automated solution for high density parking, but probably cheaper than the underground ones.

And really a ton of other automated solutions. There really are a lot of cars in Tokyo, they're just not all sitting in surface lots.

See, actual innovation, that you can build above ground no less! Now that is kind of like the underground garage idea (still find that cool), but you don't have to plan that out from the start, it's pretty modular, just set up a tower. And dare I say, cool. Nothing wrong with a cool factor as your car gets lowered down with all these motors whirring in this big tower that can add quite a bit to the skyline of a city if you actually design it to look good.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Of course Jason will not find any controls like in regards to poverty, race, wealth, race, birth rate, immigration, disease, crime, pollution, or anything useful.

He'll frame it as a big question and then suddenly "find" that rich white people in Amsterdam live longer than your common downtrodden American urbanite.

Honestly, that study can go either way based on the person. I believe that for a person like Jason, urban living might be the best option for him.

But for others, they might not want that lifestyle. Let's say we have a green energy factory foreman that oversees battery and solar panels production. Now, with his factory being in an industrial area he might not want his kids / family growing up in such an environment. Therefore, he might live 15 to 20 miles away in a suburb. For him, commuting by car is a better option than taking public transit as it saves him more time.

The guy might not drink and prefer time with his family so a third place might not be the best option or he might be trying to save money so he doesn't want to waste it on frivolous expenses.

I am not trying to prescribe the ideal lifestyle for anyone but I recognize different people have different wants. Sure, we can get rid of certain regulations but these people seem to want to impose their ideal society on the vast majorities of the population. This is not surprising as most on NJB identify as socialists or communists where those can be the only economic / social system where as capitalism allows for alternatives. In essence, they think a collection of smarmy urbanist autists can centrally plan society into some utopia while the truth is the opposite.

 

[Markass the Worst]

New Daily Rake covering more of Strong Towns' "Ponzi scheme" theory:

PSA: Deboonking the Traffic Soyboys Part 27 – These aren't the Ponzi Scheme Case Studies you're Looking for - The Daily Rake

The last piece was supposed to be this piece, but I had to unleash a long pent-up rant at the traffic antifas demanding that you subsidize their pet projects, while they apply capitalist hyperscrutiny to any possible subsidy that net taxpaying White People in small towns and suburbs might be...

dailyrake.ca

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[Xarpho's Return]

Honestly, that study can go either way based on the person. I believe that for a person like Jason, urban living might be the best option for him.

But for others, they might not want that lifestyle. Let's say we have a green energy factory foreman that oversees battery and solar panels production. Now, with his factory being in an industrial area he might not want his kids / family growing up in such an environment. Therefore, he might live 15 to 20 miles away in a suburb. For him, commuting by car is a better option than taking public transit as it saves him more time.

The guy might not drink and prefer time with his family so a third place might not be the best option or he might be trying to save money so he doesn't want to waste it on frivolous expenses.

I am not trying to prescribe the ideal lifestyle for anyone but I recognize different people have different wants. Sure, we can get rid of certain regulations but these people seem to want to impose their ideal society on the vast majorities of the population. This is not surprising as most on NJB identify as socialists or communists where those can be the only economic / social system where as capitalism allows for alternatives. In essence, they think a collection of smarmy urbanist autists can centrally plan society into some utopia while the truth is the opposite.

If someone like Jason gets to make millions in Silicon Valley, retire young to a wealthy foreign country, gets to walk to a bakery to get fresh bread everyday, and pursue hobbies like making slickly-produced YouTube videos, I don't really have a problem with that other than the slight jealousy he's out there having fun and you're wagecucking in an overpriced apartment.

The big problem comes that he's so out of touch that he doesn't realize that this lifestyle comes with wealth, not "we designed cities/society wrong", and then goes out of his way to antagonize everyone who's not him.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars shared a study showing that people in dense cities with little green space are more depressed and more likely to kill themselves than suburbanites and rural people:

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From the study (archive):

Stratified analysis according to urbanization revealed larger risk increases for suicide deaths associated with road traffic noise in urban (hazard ratio equals 1.050HR=1.050HR=1.050; 95% CI: 1.004, 1.098 ) and peri-urban (hazard ratio equals 1.045HR=1.045HR=1.045; 95% CI: 1.005, 1.087) areas than in rural settings (hazard ratio equals 1.022HR=1.022HR=1.022; 95% CI: 0.979, 1.066). For railway noise, the largest risk increase was seen in the peri-urban setting (hazard ratio equals 1.043HR=1.043HR=1.043; 95% CI: 1.014, 1.072). NDVI showed a negative association with risk of death by suicide in the urban setting (hazard ratio equals 0.942HR=0.942HR=0.942; 95% CI: 0.912, 0.973), whereas no association was observed in the peri-urban setting and a positive association in the rural areas (hazard ratio equals 1.072HR=1.072HR=1.072; 95% CI: 1.027, 1.119) (Table S8; Figure S11).

NDVI is a measure of green space and peri-urban means suburban.


Unlike redditors, most Americans frequently go outside.


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[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Wait, they’re saying that urban hellholes are a depressing shithouse driving people to suicide is a *secret*?

That’s why everyone flees to the suburbs!

 

[quaawaa]

Wait, they’re saying that urban hellholes are a depressing shithouse driving people to suicide is a *secret*?

That’s why everyone flees to the suburbs!

No, they misread the study and blamed cars.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

No, they misread the study and blamed cars.

But that would still suggest that suburbs are better. If you lived on a cul-de-sac, your street would see very few cars a day, maybe the number of houses times maybe 1.5, which would still result in something well under 30 cars a day, and less than 2 an hour on average, depending on how long the road is.

Compared to the city, your apartment will be on a through street or avenue, which means you'll be seeing probably closer to 30,000, if you live anywhere near commercial activity that means heavier and louder trucks. Even smaller streets is going to around 3,000 vehicles a day.

 

[CFC-12]

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I love that Reddit post because you can totally tell that the dude who wrote it doesn't commute by bike. I've done it and it fucking sucks, dude. It's not like taking a bike magically turns it into a fun and enjoyable commute. You're still taking more or less the same route to work or to the store. It's not like you're actually biking anywhere cool or interesting. You're probably just biking through blocks of stale urban area.

These mfs really think commuting is bad simply because you're inside a car for it, which is just stupid. People hate commuting because it's a repetitive and boring journey they have to make every day out of necessity. And the only reward for getting there is having to go to work.

Driving on empty country roads is fun, biking on secluded nature trails is fun. Driving to work fucking sucks and is boring, biking to work fucking sucks and is boring. But at least in a car I get there twice as fast or more, am protected from the elements, have a comfy seat, don't show up sweaty and gross, can carry hundreds of pounds of cargo and multiple passengers, have a radio to entertain me...

 

[WelperHelper99]

r/fuckcars shared a study showing that people in dense cities with little green space are more depressed and more likely to kill themselves than suburbanites and rural people:

I can somewhat agree with the loud noises bit being uncomfortable and disconcerting. Working in a shop, your told to have ear plugs or ear buds in to protect your hearing (early 20's and I got old man hearing ), but I'd say there's another reason. All these machines, welding machines sparking, shears tearing metal apart, forklifts rolling around with blaring sirens, vacuums sucking waste gases away going, if you don't at least have plugs, or better, music in your ears, in my experience, shit gets... freaky. Stress goes through the roof, actual stress, arguably near combat levels just because of how unnatural it is.

Can you adapt? Yes, I have. I've also been doing it for years, and only for hours at a time. I get to go home and see the grass afterwards, outside the concrete box. Hell I can get in my quiet running car and go into nature if I really want to disconnect, shoot guns (my personal destresser), camp for a night, watch a movie on my portable DVD player, cook over a fire, and go home after on a weekend.

 

[Absolutego]

I am not trying to prescribe the ideal lifestyle for anyone but I recognize different people have different wants.

This sentence encapsulates the difference between reasonable people talking about urban planning and internet "urbanists" like Not Just Bikes.

 

[LaxerBRO]

/r/fuckcars shared a study showing that people in dense cities with little green space are more depressed and more likely to kill themselves than suburbanites and rural people:

WHY DO RICH PEOPLE LOVE QUIET?​

The sound of gentrification is silence.

New york in the summer is a noisy place, especially if you don’t have money. The rich run off to the Hamptons or Maine. The bourgeoisie are safely shielded by the hum of their central air, their petite cousins by the roar of their window units. But for the broke—the have-littles and have-nots—summer means an open window, through which the clatter of the city becomes the soundtrack to life: motorcycles revving, buses braking, couples squabbling, children summoning one another out to play, and music. Ceaseless music.

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White Noise, White Silence: Who Gets to Be Loud in Today’s America?​

Kelly Coyne on “the Sonic Color Line”​

By Kelly Coyne

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December 17, 2020

In August, a tweet from comedian Randy Rainbow resurfaced, sparking controversy: “Why is it OK to call it a ‘white noise’ machine, yet offensive to say that I bought it to drown out all the ‘black noise’ in my building?” At the end of June, a white woman was recorded shouting at her new neighbors for being noisy, calling them the n-word even though they were white. And in mid-June, in the midst of Black Lives Matter protests against police brutality, Donald Trump tweeted “THE SILENT MAJORITY IS STRONGER THAN EVER!!!” These instances are only a few in a long line of events this year that demonstrate an American myth that intertwines white dominance with silence.

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Isn't liking silence or quiet associated with White Supremacy?

Hell, don't bother with you White mans science since their is no objective truth.

 

[WelperHelper99]

December 17, 2020

In August, a tweet from comedian Randy Rainbow resurfaced, sparking controversy: “Why is it OK to call it a ‘white noise’ machine, yet offensive to say that I bought it to drown out all the ‘black noise’ in my building?” At the end of June, a white woman was recorded shouting at her new neighbors for being noisy, calling them the n-word even though they were white. And in mid-June, in the midst of Black Lives Matter protests against police brutality, Donald Trump tweeted “THE SILENT MAJORITY IS STRONGER THAN EVER!!!” These instances are only a few in a long line of events this year that demonstrate an American myth that intertwines white dominance with silence.

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Isn't liking silence or quiet associated with White Supremacy?

Hell, don't bother with you White mans science since their is no objective truth.

Liking quiet is just being human, i can go anywhere on the planet and find someone who does. We don't need the entire planet to be Manhattan, where the only speck of green is central park. Get in the car, and drive to a meadow, a valley, a mountain, and just get away from it. Hell just going to a small forgotten town and staying a day could open up a whole new world. Maybe they make really good Philly cheesesteaks, or have a monument or natural landmark there. You won't know until you look

 

[Xarpho's Return]

This sentence encapsulates the difference between reasonable people talking about urban planning and internet "urbanists" like Not Just Bikes.

Who exactly is "reasonable"? The urbanists will point to Marohn and call him "reasonable" or even "conservative".

Marohn's schtick is "fuck suburbia" and as dishonest as the rest and just because he makes an argument (albeit a bad one) and not just "get in the pods, goy", it doesn't make him any better.

I don't know why they like to toss around the "conservative" label, either as he seems to have zero characteristics shared with American conservatives, and I bet the answer is "no" to all of these.

- Does he consistently vote Republican?
- Did he support Donald Trump in any way?
- Does he dislike the current Establishment?
- Is he in favor of gun rights?
- Is he against abortion?
- Does he stand up against the alphabet menace?
- Is he against expensive proxy wars?
- Is he against expanding the welfare state?
- Most importantly, does he like or support any of the people that agree wth the above?

 

[Absolutego]

Who exactly is "reasonable"? The urbanists will point to Marohn and call him "reasonable" or even "conservative".

Marohn's schtick is "fuck suburbia" and as dishonest as the rest and just because he makes an argument (albeit a bad one) and not just "get in the pods, goy", it doesn't make him any better.

I don't know why they like to toss around the "conservative" label, either as he seems to have zero characteristics shared with American conservatives, and I bet the answer is "no" to all of these.

- Does he consistently vote Republican?
- Did he support Donald Trump in any way?
- Does he dislike the current Establishment?
- Is he in favor of gun rights?
- Is he against abortion?
- Does he stand up against the alphabet menace?
- Is he against expensive proxy wars?
- Is he against expanding the welfare state?
- Most importantly, does he like or support any of the people that agree wth the above?

bro I literally only meant that recognizing that people have different needs and local governments should plan for that is a level above all the reddit faggots who think we should all live in a pod-person apartment and rely on public transit.

WTF was that spergout about an array of issues that only tangentially relate to urbanism lmao