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You technically can buy it OTC from online Indian/Korean pharmacies. I recall during the doomsday prepper craze, people were buying antibiotics from overseas since they didn't require a prescription.
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Silver nitrate was used by YouTube Troon Maya Henry. He talks about it in one of his vids.
His aftercare was so sloppy / indifferent that he bought it and got on with it himself.. I will try to find the vid and post it here. Maya is pretty based about SRS - advises people not to get it.
His aftercare was so sloppy / indifferent that he bought it and got on with it himself.. I will try to find the vid and post it here. Maya is pretty based about SRS - advises people not to get it.
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TiF regrets RFF due to a tiny dick and no STP; wants a redo.
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Being self conscious about her size is pretty masc. Funny enough the top post addresses this and encourages her to look at r/normalnudes to feel more satisfied with her results.
She does admit her size in her reply that was mod deleted.
I had no idea the implant shortened the phallus. Most of the pre-implant TiFs talk about how getting the implant will extend their length.
Another TiF commented that she had the same issue with RFF and is now going through staged groin phalloplasty now. makes me wonder how common redo's are. I've seen a few examples on r/phallo before.
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Question about getting phalloplasty redone (is it possible?)
Hi all,
My anxiety has been keeping me from reaching out due to being afraid of the answers out of fear that it's not possible, but I am going to ask anyway. Cheers to facing fears.
I had radial forearm phalloplasty done a few years back and while I am very grateful to have had it done, I am very self conscious of the results, mainly the size. Another issue I have is the stream when I pee is very... messy. So, I still opt to sit down in the toilet or hover above the toilet, things I had hoped would belong in my past. But going back to the main concern, the size... for the sake of others I won't mention my measurements in case it triggers anyone, but it's not something I'm content with...
Does anyone know of, or if, there are any possibilities to get it redone? I am going to ask my surgeon who I suppose would be able to tell me but before I do I just wanted to reach out here as this is a valuable resource to me, and like I said I'm a little anxious and struggle with anxiety in general so the whole thing can be pretty scary to address but like I said, I just want to know if it's a possibility to get the phalloplasty redone, perhaps with a different donor site.
Thank you in advance.
Hi all,
My anxiety has been keeping me from reaching out due to being afraid of the answers out of fear that it's not possible, but I am going to ask anyway. Cheers to facing fears.
I had radial forearm phalloplasty done a few years back and while I am very grateful to have had it done, I am very self conscious of the results, mainly the size. Another issue I have is the stream when I pee is very... messy. So, I still opt to sit down in the toilet or hover above the toilet, things I had hoped would belong in my past. But going back to the main concern, the size... for the sake of others I won't mention my measurements in case it triggers anyone, but it's not something I'm content with...
Does anyone know of, or if, there are any possibilities to get it redone? I am going to ask my surgeon who I suppose would be able to tell me but before I do I just wanted to reach out here as this is a valuable resource to me, and like I said I'm a little anxious and struggle with anxiety in general so the whole thing can be pretty scary to address but like I said, I just want to know if it's a possibility to get the phalloplasty redone, perhaps with a different donor site.
Thank you in advance.
She does admit her size in her reply that was mod deleted.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful and informative reply - as well as the hope you've given me. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Wow, that is amazing your results sound incredible and I am so happy for you and your wife. You bring up great points and things for me to consider. I went with RF for the same reason as you, sensation, and I knew size was a bit of a gamble. I'm just at 5 inches long but due to my implant it ends up being 3.75" insertable... I know I could just get a different implant and that might allow for full length use and that might make all the difference for me. As for sensation, I don't really have much on the phallus, so that's been a little disappointing. I am so happy for you man. Mind if I ask who your surgeon was?
Another TiF commented that she had the same issue with RFF and is now going through staged groin phalloplasty now. makes me wonder how common redo's are. I've seen a few examples on r/phallo before.
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If this surgery was actually as life claiming as they want us to believe, then shouldn't this person be overjoyed she was able to get the surgery at all, regardless of length?
If I'm following the logic here someone like her would have died without it. But it's perfectly valid for her to be unsatisfied with the results.
The lack of gratitude that they were actually able to get what they want is pissing me off. These people are taking away operating rooms and operating room time from people who actually need surgeries to function, and who will be grateful for the results after. Even if they aren't one hundred percent what was imagined, even if it's only improved function/comfort instead of restored to normal.
TL;DR:
This TIF has a bad attitude
It's lacking in gratitude
The phallo she vaunted
Is smaller than wanted
This pooner can't feel like a dood.
If I'm following the logic here someone like her would have died without it. But it's perfectly valid for her to be unsatisfied with the results.
The lack of gratitude that they were actually able to get what they want is pissing me off. These people are taking away operating rooms and operating room time from people who actually need surgeries to function, and who will be grateful for the results after. Even if they aren't one hundred percent what was imagined, even if it's only improved function/comfort instead of restored to normal.
TL;DR:
This TIF has a bad attitude
It's lacking in gratitude
The phallo she vaunted
Is smaller than wanted
This pooner can't feel like a dood.
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She's seen the flesh beercan proboscis monkey appendages sported by other manly dudes, and gotten all jealous that she has a garden sprinkler acorn where her perfectly functional vag used to be.
Still grateful to have had it done, though.
FreakyFredsTrannyGranny2
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I miss the days when the thread was mostly gruesome images of stinkditches, with their curious, stringy skin bridges and sloppy stressed stitches, chunks seemingly missing and the resulting silly asymmetry, the 8000x4000px 4k quality photos used to seek assurance from their peers while letting us count the hairs nestled deep inside the clearly necrotic gaping maw that's lined with granulated agony and stains of mysterious fluids speckled with the smelliest of tonsil stones.
But I think we all got a little bored of the formula and moved onto FTMs, whose gore, while also horrendous, is often more comical. Takes away from the horror factor sometimes. But so, so comical.
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The mangled crotch horrors are disgusting but so are 99% of the people who get these Unit 731 surgeries. The thread would be depressing as shit if it was happening to innocent people who are operated on against their will. But what we are dealing with is a group of unhinged, deranged freaks who are voluntarily running to the genital butchers to get mangled so it's also absolutely hilarious.
The only people I feel sorry for are all the groomed children like Jazz Jennings. The rest deserves to be laughed at because what they are doing is batshit insane. The lies they are telling each others about srs is batshit insane and, their worship of srs butchers is batshit insane THEY are batshit insane. Even the ones who regret it are because they did this shit in the first place.
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u/xeroform22 has posted the most horrificly bad picture on r/phallo, post simply titled 'balls!'
look at that....sagging arsehole up the top! is it bruised? howdya geddit like that?!
look at ....just, everything.
It could be an album cover. Get Death Grips on the phone.
Natch, comments from other ladies talking about "I'm convinced Dr. Chen is a god"
really is jaw dropping levels of delusion all round.
Now, I do remember her name, but honestly the pictures she has on her profile, I don't feel like we've seen before; and they truly are, I humbly submit, impressively new levels of gross-
I think the grossest FTM, really.
Shes got her own elephant dick thing going on, but with a certain degree more....well, basically I think she's got a better quality phone camera so the awful pictures are way more graphic, lol.
alternative reddit link so you dont have to log in:
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And then, we have this educator, who shows us that you dont have to be white, to look like your deathly pale dick came off a corpse
Once again, I dont know WHY they get that mons surgery?
It is the least of their worries, and it looks definitively so much worse, to have a massive visible scar there, rather than a little bump..
Actually, I suppose with the trade-off for the massive scar, it look *slightly* less like an extended, stuck on/weighing down appendage..positionally, anyway..but that could've surely be rectified by letting the pubes grow a little longer at the join, and not having such low balls, a bit of liposuction on the flared base (lol) of the dick? and idk WORKING OUT SOME?
And, that's either next level bad scar care, or just DGAF surgeon stitches as usual.
look at ....just, everything.
It could be an album cover. Get Death Grips on the phone.
Natch, comments from other ladies talking about "I'm convinced Dr. Chen is a god"
really is jaw dropping levels of delusion all round.
Now, I do remember her name, but honestly the pictures she has on her profile, I don't feel like we've seen before; and they truly are, I humbly submit, impressively new levels of gross-
I think the grossest FTM, really.
Shes got her own elephant dick thing going on, but with a certain degree more....well, basically I think she's got a better quality phone camera so the awful pictures are way more graphic, lol.
alternative reddit link so you dont have to log in:
u/xeroform22 - teddit
teddit.net
And then, we have this educator, who shows us that you dont have to be white, to look like your deathly pale dick came off a corpse
Once again, I dont know WHY they get that mons surgery?
It is the least of their worries, and it looks definitively so much worse, to have a massive visible scar there, rather than a little bump..
Actually, I suppose with the trade-off for the massive scar, it look *slightly* less like an extended, stuck on/weighing down appendage..positionally, anyway..but that could've surely be rectified by letting the pubes grow a little longer at the join, and not having such low balls, a bit of liposuction on the flared base (lol) of the dick? and idk WORKING OUT SOME?
And, that's either next level bad scar care, or just DGAF surgeon stitches as usual.
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Looks like the view from behind a very old, very sick Labrador.
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The mons scar business:
I heal very badly, I form keloids, I had a C section that went very very badly wrong, and I had a serious infection because of bad post-op care.
But in return for the horrendous scar like the one up there that I got, I also got my life saved and a beautiful and much-loved child. Overall I came out a winner. I can't think the trade would have been worth it for whatever the fuck that thing attached to her is.
I assume though when she calls it a 'mons lift' it was at least in part a guntectomy, as she seems to be holding her lower abdomen out of the way in the first pic.
I heal very badly, I form keloids, I had a C section that went very very badly wrong, and I had a serious infection because of bad post-op care.
But in return for the horrendous scar like the one up there that I got, I also got my life saved and a beautiful and much-loved child. Overall I came out a winner. I can't think the trade would have been worth it for whatever the fuck that thing attached to her is.
I assume though when she calls it a 'mons lift' it was at least in part a guntectomy, as she seems to be holding her lower abdomen out of the way in the first pic.
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She claims in the comments that her "dick" is 5 inches. That's like...totally average, isn't it? I don't exactly understand how the erectile implant decreases the length usable for penetration. Maybe pooners are so masc that their penises get smaller when erect, you shitlords! How many of you guys can say that?
We've heard of growers and showers, but this pooner has an I-dunno'er.
We've heard of growers and showers, but this pooner has an I-dunno'er.
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not sure I want to zoom in any for there but I don’t see any stitches, in any part of the lower section at all. I can see a few in the dickhead, but nothing below. There’s a couple of layers there as well that should have stitches and I can’t see any. Someone point out where they are? Or has the butcher fucked off to the golf course early and forget to tell the junior gopher to actually close up?It looks like it's completely falling apart. Disgusting.
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a really long, pissed off write up on her experience of getting that god awful appendage, by owner of those horrible balls, gaping assholeiphant , u/Xeroform22
TL
R- stunning amount of body horror, negligence, psychopathic callousness- but a lot of 'Pretty Nice Guys' too. Yes it's the same people, is there a problem?
Hey y’all,
I’ve posted here before about having delayed abdominal with Dr. Cetrulo and I have made a post like this before, this is essentially just an updated version. I am seeing more folks getting consults with him, and think they should have access to information that is more widely shared in private, post-op spaces. Sorry it’s a little all over the place.
I will preface this by saying I’m not having a good time with this process, and am scheduled to have Dr. Chen take over starting in March. There are some folks going through it that are perfectly content, and I suspect different body types lend themselves more readily to this method. Other people may end up having a great experience with him, and this write up is intended to share my own. (That said, since I initially wrote this post I have seen a lot of patients running into some pretty troubling issues, and I am going to reference those vaguely.)
When I did my initial consult (Feb 2021) I was given the impression that this process was well dialed in and he had been doing it successfully for a while. He gave me statistics for nerve hook up success and showed me pictures of final outcomes that looked excellent. I did not find out until after stage 3 that they had not actually finished anyone getting abdominal with UL and nerve hookup yet, and that the pictures I was shown were RFF and ALT photos (aside from 1 that was in process). This means all the statistics I was given were theoretical and meant nothing at all. I was there specifically for abdominal, so I can’t fathom why I was shown other methods without that being specified.
The plan I was given was 3-4 stages, the first of which would include vnectomy. They booked my stage 1 & 2 dates without including Dr. Weinstein, who does the vnectomy. I had to call around and question things for a month before I finally had a follow up with Dr. Weinstein and asked her why they were moving ahead with the phallo stages without her part. She was baffled and had no idea they were switching up the plan. She booked me into a cancellation 3 weeks before my first stage so we could get that done first. I can't say enough good things about Dr. Weinstein and her team. But the communication around it was confusing and stressful and Cetrulo’s office refused to give me answers. I was desperate to get started, so I rolled with it, but looking back it was pretty shady.
I believe now that they were dabbling with the idea of the urologist doing the vnectomy portion, I think to make lining up schedules easier with 2 surgeons instead of 3. He did one that didn’t go smoothly, and they reverted back to Weinstein and started having people book it as a standalone surgery. I get that plans will change, especially with a new program as they work out the details, but no one explained anything to me and I was left to flail around and try to figure it out on my own. I was also having a pelvic floor defect repaired, so needed to go to Dr. Weinstein specifically.
Stage 1 went well. I had meta UL and the flap prep and that all turned out fine. I've had a generally good experience with Dr. Wintner (the urologist) despite his office not being very responsive. While I find him to be a good surgeon and a nice guy, I have also seen him be pretty negligent, leaving patients in catheters for many months with no plan for repairs. Often times folks are unable to get the office to respond to them at all as they try to figure out a plan and get their issues addressed. All the other surgical teams I have spoken to have based their plans around getting folks off of catheters asap, which feels a lot better to me.
I found out a few days before my stage 2 that they were going to be leaving the underside of my penis open to allow for more girth. This was news to me and I was a little freaked out. They said they would be using integra and I asked if that would lead to the open spot filling in with skin or scar tissue. Dr. Cetrulo told me it would fill in with normal skin. It filled in with thick, knotted scar tissue that made my entire penis contract. I went from 5.5” long x 5” inches in girth to 4” long and 6.5” in girth.
Things haven’t been getting better from there. My glans graft was not bandaged and failed. He was supposed to remove the scar tissue all along the underside and sew things up in a straight line in stage 4, but excised a round portion of scar tissue at the top and placed a graft instead. That graft wasn’t bandaged or bolstered and also failed, and the resultant hole scarred shut, so now my head is kinked and faces down. I asked him to do a tapered glans like Dr. Chen/Watt do and he said he would. He instead did a flat line 3/4 of the way around. My head is huge and blobby. When I expressed my disappointment to him he said that it looks good to him and he doesn’t see a problem aside from the ridge being flat.
I still have intense scarring underneath that makes it so I can’t stand my penis up. He wanted to leave that and ‘let it soften’ and then remove healthy tissue to degirth. He insisted on this plan for months even though I was unwilling to go along with it, but eventually apologized and said he was wrong, and that wasn’t the right plan. He seemed to feel that the apology was plenty and I had no further reason to be upset or doubt him.
In my fifth surgery he grafted a urethra in (not connected to anything). He did not leave a hole at the base, and told me to flush anyway. This caused saline to leak out of my incisions and separate them. I was then told to stop flushing. The urethra scarred down and closed up. After speaking with Dr. Chen it seems likely that the urethra will need to be cut out in order to address the scarring anyway. I am mad at myself for not insisting that we finish my penis before adding the urethra. The order of operations has made no sense to me. I have said this all along and he assures me it will work out great, and when it doesn’t just says he was wrong and he is sorry.
I’ve had seven surgeries in eighteen months and will need multiple more once I switch teams. Right now my penis is still too high, heavily scarred, and looks very much like a rough draft.
He told my wife after stage 1 that he did ‘a nice scrotoplasty’ and my op-notes describe this in detail. Things look exactly like they did before surgery. I brought him a collage of Chen scrotums to ask what was up and he said that I just needed implants for things to look that way. I told him that all the pictures I had brought were pre-implant and he got flustered and said he could ‘revise as needed’. I don’t know what he’s looking at. There is literally no evidence of any sort of scrotoplasty having taken place.
All this said. I like Dr. Cetrulo. He is a nice guy and I think he has good intentions. I also think he is not being up front about how experimental and theoretical this process is, and I think that is dangerous. He really needs to be clear about that and let people decide if they are up for him working out his theories on their bodies.
When I sent a long list of questions before my stage 4, because stage 3 did not go how I expected, he spent a good portion of the appointment teasing me for sending such a long email, comparing it to war and peace.
When I mentioned seeing things he had done to other patients that made me feel worried he told me that patients comparing info and getting upset was ‘a little bit of hysteria’.
Many times when I have expressed specific concerns he says 'it's gonna be perfect' instead of actually addressing the question.
To his credit, I had a melt down after stage 4 because nothing was going the way I was told it would and he took a long time to speak with me and soothe my fears. He’s very responsive when it comes to complications. But the physical results do not back up his optimism for me at this point. I feel that he is moving too fast, making it up as he goes, and not taking the time to fine tune many specific aspects of this process.
So many other things have happened that were upsetting and disappointing and make me wonder if this office is equipped to be working with the trans community, despite best intentions.
I went with this program after a decade of educating myself and consulting with half a dozen surgeons. His abdominal method felt like everything I had been waiting for, and he is an extremely accomplished and prestigious surgeon. I am now worried that I will not have sensation because the other surgeons I have talked to do not understand how his nerve hook up works. I am really hoping he knows something they don’t (which is what I have been assuming all along) but seeing things he has done has really eroded my confidence.
I am entirely uncomfortable with him doing my scrotum and burial, leaving me no choice but to switch teams. He and Dr. Wintner also seem to be going back and forth and making the UL plan up as they go. It changes all the time, and no one would ever tell me which surgeon would be doing my actual hook up. I’m grateful to Dr. Chen for being willing to give it a go, and hope he can sort things out for me.
I was really excited about Cetrulo and his method at the start of this. I shared my experiences so people would know about this new great option. I am hoping that he gets things dialed in and the folks behind me have a better experience. At this point I would certainly not recommend it.
I’ve posted here before about having delayed abdominal with Dr. Cetrulo and I have made a post like this before, this is essentially just an updated version. I am seeing more folks getting consults with him, and think they should have access to information that is more widely shared in private, post-op spaces. Sorry it’s a little all over the place.
I will preface this by saying I’m not having a good time with this process, and am scheduled to have Dr. Chen take over starting in March. There are some folks going through it that are perfectly content, and I suspect different body types lend themselves more readily to this method. Other people may end up having a great experience with him, and this write up is intended to share my own. (That said, since I initially wrote this post I have seen a lot of patients running into some pretty troubling issues, and I am going to reference those vaguely.)
When I did my initial consult (Feb 2021) I was given the impression that this process was well dialed in and he had been doing it successfully for a while. He gave me statistics for nerve hook up success and showed me pictures of final outcomes that looked excellent. I did not find out until after stage 3 that they had not actually finished anyone getting abdominal with UL and nerve hookup yet, and that the pictures I was shown were RFF and ALT photos (aside from 1 that was in process). This means all the statistics I was given were theoretical and meant nothing at all. I was there specifically for abdominal, so I can’t fathom why I was shown other methods without that being specified.
The plan I was given was 3-4 stages, the first of which would include vnectomy. They booked my stage 1 & 2 dates without including Dr. Weinstein, who does the vnectomy. I had to call around and question things for a month before I finally had a follow up with Dr. Weinstein and asked her why they were moving ahead with the phallo stages without her part. She was baffled and had no idea they were switching up the plan. She booked me into a cancellation 3 weeks before my first stage so we could get that done first. I can't say enough good things about Dr. Weinstein and her team. But the communication around it was confusing and stressful and Cetrulo’s office refused to give me answers. I was desperate to get started, so I rolled with it, but looking back it was pretty shady.
I believe now that they were dabbling with the idea of the urologist doing the vnectomy portion, I think to make lining up schedules easier with 2 surgeons instead of 3. He did one that didn’t go smoothly, and they reverted back to Weinstein and started having people book it as a standalone surgery. I get that plans will change, especially with a new program as they work out the details, but no one explained anything to me and I was left to flail around and try to figure it out on my own. I was also having a pelvic floor defect repaired, so needed to go to Dr. Weinstein specifically.
Stage 1 went well. I had meta UL and the flap prep and that all turned out fine. I've had a generally good experience with Dr. Wintner (the urologist) despite his office not being very responsive. While I find him to be a good surgeon and a nice guy, I have also seen him be pretty negligent, leaving patients in catheters for many months with no plan for repairs. Often times folks are unable to get the office to respond to them at all as they try to figure out a plan and get their issues addressed. All the other surgical teams I have spoken to have based their plans around getting folks off of catheters asap, which feels a lot better to me.
I found out a few days before my stage 2 that they were going to be leaving the underside of my penis open to allow for more girth. This was news to me and I was a little freaked out. They said they would be using integra and I asked if that would lead to the open spot filling in with skin or scar tissue. Dr. Cetrulo told me it would fill in with normal skin. It filled in with thick, knotted scar tissue that made my entire penis contract. I went from 5.5” long x 5” inches in girth to 4” long and 6.5” in girth.
Things haven’t been getting better from there. My glans graft was not bandaged and failed. He was supposed to remove the scar tissue all along the underside and sew things up in a straight line in stage 4, but excised a round portion of scar tissue at the top and placed a graft instead. That graft wasn’t bandaged or bolstered and also failed, and the resultant hole scarred shut, so now my head is kinked and faces down. I asked him to do a tapered glans like Dr. Chen/Watt do and he said he would. He instead did a flat line 3/4 of the way around. My head is huge and blobby. When I expressed my disappointment to him he said that it looks good to him and he doesn’t see a problem aside from the ridge being flat.
I still have intense scarring underneath that makes it so I can’t stand my penis up. He wanted to leave that and ‘let it soften’ and then remove healthy tissue to degirth. He insisted on this plan for months even though I was unwilling to go along with it, but eventually apologized and said he was wrong, and that wasn’t the right plan. He seemed to feel that the apology was plenty and I had no further reason to be upset or doubt him.
In my fifth surgery he grafted a urethra in (not connected to anything). He did not leave a hole at the base, and told me to flush anyway. This caused saline to leak out of my incisions and separate them. I was then told to stop flushing. The urethra scarred down and closed up. After speaking with Dr. Chen it seems likely that the urethra will need to be cut out in order to address the scarring anyway. I am mad at myself for not insisting that we finish my penis before adding the urethra. The order of operations has made no sense to me. I have said this all along and he assures me it will work out great, and when it doesn’t just says he was wrong and he is sorry.
I’ve had seven surgeries in eighteen months and will need multiple more once I switch teams. Right now my penis is still too high, heavily scarred, and looks very much like a rough draft.
He told my wife after stage 1 that he did ‘a nice scrotoplasty’ and my op-notes describe this in detail. Things look exactly like they did before surgery. I brought him a collage of Chen scrotums to ask what was up and he said that I just needed implants for things to look that way. I told him that all the pictures I had brought were pre-implant and he got flustered and said he could ‘revise as needed’. I don’t know what he’s looking at. There is literally no evidence of any sort of scrotoplasty having taken place.
All this said. I like Dr. Cetrulo. He is a nice guy and I think he has good intentions. I also think he is not being up front about how experimental and theoretical this process is, and I think that is dangerous. He really needs to be clear about that and let people decide if they are up for him working out his theories on their bodies.
When I sent a long list of questions before my stage 4, because stage 3 did not go how I expected, he spent a good portion of the appointment teasing me for sending such a long email, comparing it to war and peace.
When I mentioned seeing things he had done to other patients that made me feel worried he told me that patients comparing info and getting upset was ‘a little bit of hysteria’.
Many times when I have expressed specific concerns he says 'it's gonna be perfect' instead of actually addressing the question.
To his credit, I had a melt down after stage 4 because nothing was going the way I was told it would and he took a long time to speak with me and soothe my fears. He’s very responsive when it comes to complications. But the physical results do not back up his optimism for me at this point. I feel that he is moving too fast, making it up as he goes, and not taking the time to fine tune many specific aspects of this process.
So many other things have happened that were upsetting and disappointing and make me wonder if this office is equipped to be working with the trans community, despite best intentions.
I went with this program after a decade of educating myself and consulting with half a dozen surgeons. His abdominal method felt like everything I had been waiting for, and he is an extremely accomplished and prestigious surgeon. I am now worried that I will not have sensation because the other surgeons I have talked to do not understand how his nerve hook up works. I am really hoping he knows something they don’t (which is what I have been assuming all along) but seeing things he has done has really eroded my confidence.
I am entirely uncomfortable with him doing my scrotum and burial, leaving me no choice but to switch teams. He and Dr. Wintner also seem to be going back and forth and making the UL plan up as they go. It changes all the time, and no one would ever tell me which surgeon would be doing my actual hook up. I’m grateful to Dr. Chen for being willing to give it a go, and hope he can sort things out for me.
I was really excited about Cetrulo and his method at the start of this. I shared my experiences so people would know about this new great option. I am hoping that he gets things dialed in and the folks behind me have a better experience. At this point I would certainly not recommend it.
TL
R- stunning amount of body horror, negligence, psychopathic callousness- but a lot of 'Pretty Nice Guys' too. Yes it's the same people, is there a problem?
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That is totally average. Even the roughly 10 cm inserted.
Absolute insanity by this pornsick woman to through ANOTHER surgery to get another, slightly bigger, non functional dick.
Proof that women can get porn sick too.
If this broad wants to be a man, she should try to do what men do, when their dick is on the smaller side: Shrug and live with it.
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I was sceptical that any pooners actually wanted an enormous Coke can summer sausage penis, but the more I read on this thread, the more I think that it's the goal for some of them. The one above is inevitably going to have her perfectly reasonably sized neophallus revised, and it doesn't really seem as though revisions are any more likely to succeed than the initial phalloplasty. She's willing to risk urethral stricture, fistula, necrosis, all of the usual complications.
To me, the desire for an absolutely gigantic neophallus is proof that none of them have actually had normal, healthy sex with someone who gives a shit about them. I don't necessarily mean that the only healthy sex is between two people in a committed relationship, but I think actually caring about your sex partner, even if only in the moment, and how you're making him or her feel is incredibly important. Observing your partner's reaction to the things you do can be just as pleasurable, if not more so, than what they do to you physically during sex. Sex with someone who obviously doesn't give a shit about how it feels for you is the absolute worst, whether you're male or female, heterosexual or homosexual.
Not to get all "the problem with the youth of today", but it seems like a lot of the pooners who are most addicted to pornography focus more on what they look like during sexual intercourse than how their partner is responding. The way they write about using their skin tags to penetrate a partner is almost always focused on whether it "passes" and how they look. There was a post hundreds of pages ago with a pooner showing off the sketchy plastic sleeve she ordered from AliExpress to make her "phallus" rigid enough to stick in her poor girlfriend. Nobody was at all concerned that the material might not be safe to have in direct contact with the vaginal mucous membrane; it was all about how great it looked and how the pooner felt so heccin' valid uwu.
It's like they view the other party as just some NPC fuckdoll who should just lie there and take it, not an actual human being with desires and preferences. Incidentally, I suspect that this is how most of them think of women; it's all part of the deeply held misogyny that drives people of both sexes to transition.
Anyway, the pooners who want the massive chodes strike me as particularly self-obsessed. Actual men might joke about wanting the biggest penis possible, but people who matured past adolescence realize that there are very real drawbacks to having a penis that's enormous. Despite what pornography leads one to believe, most normal women don't actually want to have sex with a guy who's packing a huge monster in his trousers; it can be downright painful, especially if the dude's penis accidentally bumps the cervix. I guess I can't say with certainty, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like aside from issues with sex, having a penis with the ridiculous dimensions of some of the neophalluses we've seen here would be awkward at best. I imagine it would be really difficult to find trousers, it would be in the way all the time, and the weight of it pulling on the underlying tissue would be very uncomfortable while standing or moving around. Also, a penis that large would almost certainly be quite visible through one's trousers.
The women who get a semirigid erectile implant in their monstrous phallos don't seem to realize that a man with a perpetual half-boner is definitely going to make people around him very uncomfortable, and in the wrong context, it could easily provoke some other guy to kick his ass. Imagine you're out with your wife and kids, enjoying some family time at the park or beach or museum, and some guy approaches your children. You'd already be on alert. What would you do if you noticed that his penis appeared semi-erect? The threat he posed to your family would instantly increase a hundredfold, and I suspect a lot of men would not hesitate to physically confront him or at least tell him in no uncertain terms to get the fuck away from their kids. The pooners who roll with a half chub all the time don't seem to understand that they only get away with it because they don't pass; they are so obviously women and therefore non-threatening.
It's like they view the other party as just some NPC fuckdoll who should just lie there and take it, not an actual human being with desires and preferences. Incidentally, I suspect that this is how most of them think of women; it's all part of the deeply held misogyny that drives people of both sexes to transition.
Anyway, the pooners who want the massive chodes strike me as particularly self-obsessed. Actual men might joke about wanting the biggest penis possible, but people who matured past adolescence realize that there are very real drawbacks to having a penis that's enormous. Despite what pornography leads one to believe, most normal women don't actually want to have sex with a guy who's packing a huge monster in his trousers; it can be downright painful, especially if the dude's penis accidentally bumps the cervix. I guess I can't say with certainty, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like aside from issues with sex, having a penis with the ridiculous dimensions of some of the neophalluses we've seen here would be awkward at best. I imagine it would be really difficult to find trousers, it would be in the way all the time, and the weight of it pulling on the underlying tissue would be very uncomfortable while standing or moving around. Also, a penis that large would almost certainly be quite visible through one's trousers.
The women who get a semirigid erectile implant in their monstrous phallos don't seem to realize that a man with a perpetual half-boner is definitely going to make people around him very uncomfortable, and in the wrong context, it could easily provoke some other guy to kick his ass. Imagine you're out with your wife and kids, enjoying some family time at the park or beach or museum, and some guy approaches your children. You'd already be on alert. What would you do if you noticed that his penis appeared semi-erect? The threat he posed to your family would instantly increase a hundredfold, and I suspect a lot of men would not hesitate to physically confront him or at least tell him in no uncertain terms to get the fuck away from their kids. The pooners who roll with a half chub all the time don't seem to understand that they only get away with it because they don't pass; they are so obviously women and therefore non-threatening.
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This is super late (I took a couple months off of reading this thread because the psychological horror was getting to me), but from a cursory thread search it seems that nobody has posted the full article yet. The pdf is in the attachments, it's the one starting with "Neurourology".New study dropped:
Patient reported symptoms and adverse outcomes seen in Canada's first vaginoplasty postoperative care clinic
This was released on Jan 11, 2023. I refuse to pay for the full access so any students that wanna post the full thing, be my guest.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/nau.25132?saml_referrer
They use some acronyms I’ve never seen before:
"Transgender, nonbinary, and gender diverse (TGD) individuals have unique health care needs that may include gender‐affirming hormone treatment and/or transition‐related surgery (TRS). TRS (also known as gender‐affirming surgery) refers to different procedures that help TGD individuals meet their gender‐related goals."
Bits I found interesting:
“An Ontario study found that 71.1% of TGD individuals surveyed had or were planning to have TRS in the future.”
This sounds really high to me so I checked the citation for it and it led me to whatever this is https://policycommons.net/artifacts...ip-funded-sex-reassignment-surgeries/1778183/ , which makes me wonder if the idiots running the Canadian government are actually hoping to fund surgeries for all trans people, which obviously will never work.
“Vaginoplasty is a frequently sought procedure with 15% of transfeminine people in Canada having undergone this surgery.”
This is an even more ludicrously high statistic so again I checked the citation. That statistic is from a ‘Respondent-Driven Sampling Survey’ with 433 participants (not impressive for a survey), so it’s essentially meaningless.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2014.893553
“Up until 2019, Ontario patients had no in-province access to vaginoplasty ... A number of the issues arise when patients travel long distances from home for surgery such as increased costs and difficulty in accessing postsurgical follow-up care. Traveling long distances for surgery has been associated with higher rates of complications and increased risk of adverse surgical outcomes. In an Ontario report, 40% of patients reported inadequate or no follow-up during postsurgical recovery from TRS.”
No shit, going on a plane right after major pelvic surgery and relying on surgeons in another country to do aftercare for you are obviously dumb and risky things to do.
In Table 1, there’s this section about how many times each patient came to this postoperative care center:
61% only went once or twice, which makes me think they still aren’t getting very good postoperative care.
“Mental health concerns were spontaneously reported by 10 patients (12.5%).”
Classic TiM behavior lmaoTables 2 and 3 are the best part of this article:
(the last line of table 2 got cut off, it just says that two troons reported "vaginal dryness")
Somehow by troon standards only 12% of these cases involved “Anatomic irregularity”. Anyone who has seen the photographic evidence in this thread knows that if we’re going by human anatomy, 100% of amholes are “irregular”.
“Two patients had severe infections (2.5%), one with vulvar cellulitis and another with sepsis and vaginal graft loss.”
That TiM with sepsis could have died. If he didn’t end up seriously disabled, he was extremely lucky. Also, what happens when they lose the “vaginal” graft? I know that when the graft dies in phalloplasty it just falls off, so what happens if it’s sewn inside the pelvis? On second thought, maybe death would have been a more merciful fate.
“Vaginal stenosis is a major adverse outcome requiring additional surgery to regain depth/a vaginal canal. Commonly reported symptoms of people with vaginal stenosis include concerns with dilation and loss of vaginal depth. Interestingly, patient-reported “loss of depth” did not always correlate with the adverse outcome of ‘vaginal stenosis.’”
I thought this was a useful clarification. Basically, though stenosis and loss of depth are both caused by the body trying to heal, you can have one without the other.
“Vaginal dilation with surgical dilators is imperative following vaginoplasty with cavity formation; even a few days of missed dilations can result in shortening of the vagina and lead to vaginal stenosis. In our sample, 46.3% of patients reported a dilation-related concern including pain, tightness, and bleeding.”
What a miserable situation to be in. They choose this.
Reading this article, I felt that this was not written by butchers, as the authors expressed far too much empathy and concern about the well-being of the patients. I was correct. Meet the two main authors:
- Emery Potter is a nurse who works at the college where the study took place. https://ca.linkedin.com/in/emery-potter-a2100745
- Marudan Sivagurunathan has a PhD and has studied childhood sexual abuse in males, domestic violence, and troon shit. Basically he specializes in intimately abused males, which I think makes him pretty qualified to write about about post-op TiMs. https://ca.linkedin.com/in/marudan-sivagurunathan-89b97072
Speaking of suffering, I also noticed this meta-analysis in the citations:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ca.23001 (pdf in attached files)
“Complications were restricted to those surgical complications involving the neovagina and surgical bed. Esthetic, emotional, psychologic, and sexual complications were not included in the analysis due to their subjective nature. Complications were ultimately restricted to one of four categories: hemorrhagic (i.e., transfusion, hematoma), gastrointestinal (i.e., rectal injury, rectovaginal fistula), tissue healing (i.e., tissue necrosis, stenosis), and infectious (i.e., abscess, wound infection).“
“Overall, the prevalence of complications as described above was 32.5% (n = 548 ).”
So the rate of serious medical complication (like actual life-threatening shit) is 32.5%, and that’s only part of the misery involved in this nightmare surgery. That statistic doesn’t include the people who will loathe their obviously mutilated bodies forever, the ones who can never orgasm or have sex again, the poor men who snap out of their delusion only to realize they can never turn back, and of course all those who commuted suicide for these reasons. It also did not include any method besides penile inversion ("the gold standard" method). As far as I can tell it doesn’t even include the relatively minor medical stuff like hyper-granulation and bleeding during dilation.
Back to the Canadian study, I added up all the complaints in table 2 and 3. The 80 troons reported a total of 299 issues in table 2 and had 113 diagnosed issues in table 3. Together, that is a 515% rate of problems related to the surgery.
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Goddamn they totally nailed the "make it look like I have an anglerfish burrowed in my crotch" look.It looks like it's completely falling apart. Disgusting.
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One of these things is not like the others,One of these things doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
By the time I finish my song?