Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Zigger bros...

This is a 28k follower Twitter account.
I hope it's just a troll.

Now this is schizoposting.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

ok, this week was just bad weather, but next week, NEXT WEEK Bakhmut will fall
trust me I feel it in my bones or it could be shingles, idk

 

[CuzinEd]

I hope the Russians break out some ZSU-57-2's as well. I remember playing around with one in Mercenaries. It's built using the T-54/55. I know they have to have some left. They could turn this into a parade of vintage Soviet equipment. I like vintage military equipment.

 

[Pork Packer]

Feel free to take what im about to say as gay nigger bullshit since I cant be assed to provide links or screenies, but having kept my ear to the ground with regards to professional russia shill narratives I am noticing two distinct new patterns emerge in the last week in the wake of Finland officially getting the NATO greenlight and Bakhmut getting retconned out russian media coverage

1. Ukrainians will #resist Zelinskiy and overthrow him any day now, and he will have to flee to poland/america/israel/costa-rica(?!) in disgrace because reasons

2. The war is not actually that important, and is merely a minor skirmish in the great eurasian multipolar whatever game which russia and china are effortlessly winning in the grand and conveniently impossible-to-prove scheme of things, so if russia takes a *temporary* loss its no biggie

Maybe im just seeing random patterns in shill-tism here, or maybe this is a simple case of unimaginative speds following whatever narrative line picks up speed and giving it more critical mass, but I felt it worth just noting this shit now incase we see this shit become the party line going forwards so that I may cite this post months from now and whack off at my own brilliance

 

[DumbDude43]

2. The war is not actually that important, and is merely a minor skirmish in the great eurasian multipolar whatever game which russia and china are effortlessly winning in the grand and conveniently impossible-to-prove scheme of things, so if russia takes a *temporary* loss its no biggie

it's a recurring theme

>THEY WONT BE SPARED WHEN THE MULTIPOLAR WORLD RISES

some of these dudes really think that russia+china are going to pull some kind of big GAMERS RISE UP! move and crush the whole world underfoot any second now...

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

2. The war is not actually that important, and is merely a minor skirmish in the great eurasian multipolar whatever game which russia and china are effortlessly winning in the grand and conveniently impossible-to-prove scheme of things, so if russia takes a *temporary* loss its no biggie

At the same time, in cope-thread, the chief vatniggers concluded that Operation Desert Storm lasted half a year, Fallujah is a war crime and unnecessary destruction of the city (and Mariupol and Bakhmut are quite the opposite) and Yankee wars do not count at all, because they always had a technological advantage, in numbers and in aviation over the enemy.

I wanted to ask in cope-thread whether this means that Putin does not have these advantages and how it relates to the cunning plan of 'caludronization' and their previous analyzes which show that Ukraine has lost all its equipment, has 300,000 dead soldiers and I haven't been able to fight for months at all. But then I remembered it was cope-thread and just admired the mindlessobserver's work.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Operation Desert Storm lasted half a year

I mean, if you start from the military build-up by the allies until the liberation of Kuwait by the allied forces, the first Iraq war lasted about 7 months. Problem is, holding Russia to that same metric, the Ukraine war gets between six months and a year tacked on at the start, which just makes their efforts look even worse.

As for Fallujah, it was certainly a low-point of 2003 occupation (remember, it took place after the war), but it was also an aberration, brought about by a very particular set of unanticipated circumstances. In other words, it was a complete clusterfuck, and is acknowledged as such by all involved. It was the only Iraqi city that suffered that level of destruction. Meanwhile, Russia routinely bombards civilian infrastructure and levels entire cities for shits and giggles. They've got no moral high ground in this argument.

 

[CuzinEd]

it's a recurring theme
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>THEY WONT BE SPARED WHEN THE MULTIPOLAR WORLD RISES

some of these dudes really think that russia+china are going to pull some kind of big GAMERS RISE UP! move and crush the whole world underfoot any second now...

Not likely since Russia and China don't get along all that well despite the show they put on in public. Zeihan can have some pretty retarded takes. But I think he is right here.

 

[siegemeister675]

I mean, if you start from the military build-up by the allies until the liberation of Kuwait by the allied forces, the first Iraq war lasted about 7 months. Problem is, holding Russia to that same metric, the Ukraine war gets between six months and a year tacked on at the start, which just makes their efforts look even worse.

As for Fallujah, it was certainly a low-point of 2003 occupation (remember, it took place after the war), but it was also an aberration, brought about by a very particular set of unanticipated circumstances. In other words, it was a complete clusterfuck, and is acknowledged as such by all involved. It was the only Iraqi city that suffered that level of destruction. Meanwhile, Russia routinely bombards civilian infrastructure and levels entire cities for shits and giggles. They've got no moral high ground in this argument.

I was arguing about this with a vatnigger I know who was my friend, but stopped talking with me when he lost his bet that Russia would take Odesa and all of the Donbass by the end of 2022 (bastard still owes me $250). I don't remember the numbers but by sheer number of buildings destroyed as well as percentage of the city destroyed Mariupol exceeds Fallujah significantly, and the Ba'ath/AlQaeda alliance made prolific use of suicide bombers and human shields during that battle.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Not likely since Russia and China don't get along all that well despite the show they put on in public. Zeihan can have some pretty retarded takes. But I think he is right here.

Xi very clearly wanted to sign Vlad up for involuntary organ donation. You can see it In his face.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Which is stupid, since America should be encouraging their enemies into strategic arms races because those would only bankrupt them (like what happened with the Soviet Union). Neither the Chinese nor the Russians can afford keep up with America technologically, and they would be foolish to even try, and both sides know this. China has spent years trying to steal American technology to close the gap and it still hasn't come close

Why go into a financially ruinous arms race when the enemy haves an actively traitorous political party who can be effectively bought for peanuts. Which is what the CCP had done starting with the Clinton 1992 presidental campaign.

 

[DumbDude43]

Not likely since Russia and China don't get along all that well despite the show they put on in public. Zeihan can have some pretty retarded takes. But I think he is right here.

i dont buy it
china has much more pressing issues and much more promising opportunities for expansion elsewhere than in the shithole deserts of north and central asia

in the long term a russo-chinese rivalry is likely, but for now and in the near future the chinese are perfectly fine with leaving russia alone while focusing their own ambitions towards their southern and eastern flanks. russia serving as a distraction that pulls western attention away from east asia is very convenient for them, they have absolutely no interest in complicating the situation by backstabbing russia now.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

Why go into a financially ruinous arms race when the enemy haves an actively traitorous political party who can be effectively bought for peanuts.

We all should start thinking why China should be a US rival.

I just don't see any reason for it. Taiwan is a small peanut in reality, not something that China needs for anything other than wasting resources. Ukraina was extreme important part of former Russian Empire/USSR, Taiwan was always at best a shithole of China.

China was never a expansionist empire outside what they have in medival (and now they have nearly all of that lands - only East Manchuria and Taiwan are out of their current state borders).

In case of muh sphere of inluenza (ok, influence) they alse nearly have all of what they have in their golden age (Japan was more like nominal vassal at best in some times, Korea is a small issue - probably China preffer current state of Korea, where they have two hostile towards each other Koreas than another integrated and pretty big state like Vietnam).

Spartly Islets? Yea, small issue, something between worthless of Aksai Chin and NEFA disputed regions. Disputed with India, not US.

I honestly don't see why China should think about replacing US in role of 'policeman of international affairs' - to conquer Africa? They even need to conquer Africa to get african resources or farmland?

I honestly don't see why anyone counts on China-US conflict. If China will truly look for a option to fuck with US we should see some amounts of China support to ruzzia in current war. We see nearly nothing after 13 months of war. They merely exploit this war to take better positions in third world trade (if they give Brasilia yuans, they can be sure as fuck that Brazil will at best something from them).

 

[DumbDude43]

I just don't see any reason for it. Taiwan is a small peanut in reality, not something that China needs for anything other than wasting resources. Ukraina was extreme important part of former Russian Empire/USSR, Taiwan was always at best a shithole of China.

taiwan is ruled by the ROC, the CCP's mortal enemy from the civil war. as long as it exists, it is a thorn in the CCP's side, it's unfinished business.
also the states of japan - s.korea - taiwan - philippines form a sort of island chain that can effectively cut off chnese access to the oceans, and they are all US allies/proxies at the moment. very very inconvenient situation for china.

 

[Quindoll]

The germasn elite isnt going to cocktail parties in Berlin... they stay in the south and west because Berlin is a disgusting degenerate place full of bootlickers and retards,

The german elite made some phonecalls from munich and düsseldorf and got the german governemnt to scrap a couple of laws last weekend because the tards go to out of hand.
cant force the average person to get a new green heating system or end ICE Cars in the EU.
Germany is run by old money and the politicians play their part. Scholz himself forgot about all those crimes he commited to save old money in some major tax scandal...

Because being cucked into burning 20.000 kWh of gas per annum is so much more affordable instead of investing in energy efficiency and proper heat pumps. With those retard actions Germany will just turn into a second US of A in the heating sector. Where rising gas prices cause extreme butthurt and autism. The biggest irony is that CO2 price increases for the building sector are on their way in the EU. So that will be funny. Having no planning horizon beyond the next few weeks is usually a third world trait.

https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=EU&chartColumnSorting=default&sum=1&partsum=1&month=03&year=-1&legendItems=00111111111111011111110

To give some info. Electricity generation in European Union in February and March:



There was a slight increase in gas and coal usage in February, but that was largely compensated in March. Interestingly the EU nearly got 10 TWh of electricity out of solar in fucking February. With a bit more capacity this will become the new standard.
France still has issues with their nuclear power fleet but EDF claims that most of it will be fixed for the winter 2023. So I rate that optimistic. Water power generation is also somewhat regaining power even though some areas are currently critically effected by drought conditions. Such as Spain and Southern France.

There is also some progress in other areas. Heat pumps were mentioned already. Look at this big one.



Heat for around 3.5 k households. And this being in place means it will stay in place for the foreseeable future. I do not want to have the task to sell gas in the year 2030 at this point.

 

[Rezza]

taiwan is ruled by the ROC, the CCP's mortal enemy from the civil war. as long as it exists, it is a thorn in the CCP's side, it's unfinished business.
also the states of japan - s.korea - taiwan - philippines form a sort of island chain that can effectively cut off chnese access to the oceans, and they are all US allies/proxies at the moment. very very inconvenient situation for china.
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So long as Taiwan exist as...Taiwan, it will be seen as a challenge to the CCP, and they won't take that. It's part of their history and culture, the Emperor won't take any challenge to their rule, especially one that they declared over and over again doesn't exist

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

taiwan is ruled by the ROC, the CCP's mortal enemy from the civil war. as long as it exists, it is a thorn in the CCP's side, it's unfinished business.
also the states of japan - s.korea - taiwan - philippines form a sort of island chain that can effectively cut off chnese access to the oceans, and they are all US allies/proxies at the moment. very very inconvenient situation for china.
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Changi Naval Base - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Singapore and the US Renew Memorandum of Understanding

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and President of the United States of America Donald Trump signed the Protocol of Amendment to the 1990 Memorandum of Understanding (“1990 MOU”) Regarding United States Use of Facilities in Singapore (“2019 AMOU”) today.

www.mindef.gov.sg

Add to that Singapore letting the US Navy borrow a naval base (there is officially no US base in Singapore), thus cutting off the Straits of Malacca

However: China is probably well aware of it, and they apparently set up a pipeline through Burma (bypassing the entire japan - s.korea - taiwan - philippines - singapore chain)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Myanmar_pipelines

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

taiwan is ruled by the ROC, the CCP's mortal enemy from the civil war. as long as it exists, it is a thorn in the CCP's side, it's unfinished business.

Both of sides are money-lusting corrupted cliques. Not a ideology fighters like in 1950's, they even have some common bussiness activities.

also the states of japan - s.korea - taiwan - philippines form a sort of island chain that can effectively cut off chnese access to the oceans, and they are all US allies/proxies at the moment. very very inconvenient situation for china.

And most of this trade is with US and EU. I don't see a scenario when they go for war or conflict with US to be sure that they will not be blockaded to trade with US.

China is still more a boggeyman that a real threat in my opinion. In my opinion if they will try to break this chain they rather will try to interfere with elections in one or more of this countries than go into chimp mode.

 

[Corette]

New Perun.

 

[Clownish]

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Moscow is done in Ukraine.

This video has gone viral of a Moscow priest beating a Ukrainian soldier. Protesters are now in front of the church and they are angry. This seems like the final straw for many people.

Update: The mayor says that at an extraordinary session of the city council, contracts regarding the use of land plots of the UOC MP on the territory of the community will be terminated.