Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

As we can see from this photograph of the body, he died like a true russian soldier......
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.....mostly naked, covered in assorted bodily fluids, ass in the air, and zero fucking brain in his head

EDIT: hang on......wait a fucking moment.......NO FUCKING WAY!
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As we can see from this photograph of the body, he died like a true russian soldier......

.....mostly naked, covered in assorted bodily fluids, ass in the air, and zero fucking brain in his head

EDIT: hang on......wait a fucking moment.......NO FUCKING WAY!
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Man, say what you will about our missteps during GWOT, but we never had politcal talking heads getting Allah Ackbar'd in downtown DC or Boston. I hope he was in the company of his Zigger buddies and not some folks out shopping.
 
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> Ukrainians dugined a idiot who was sperging about extermination of all Ukrainians
> another idiot is sperging about extermination of Ukrainians

Well, ruzzki never learns. Never.
Sometimes it bothers me that I share nationality with these mongs. But I've learned not to stress it about much, realizing we're humans first and what defines us more than anything is our beliefs and actions rather than a stamp in the passport.
because they're individually worthless and completely interchangable

if you're able to conduct strikes in the enemy capital, there's a lot more targets that are much more important and harder to replace. military officers, glowies, politicians, hell even just knocking out parts of the power grid in moscow for a few hours would probably cause more damage to the war effort than murking some dude who is essentially just a loud mouthed internet shitposter
Propaganda ended up being Kremlin's most powerful weapon. At the very least this should make the job of a state shill risky, they should know that lies have consequences.
This is good. I despise these people more than anything, it can't be understated just how evil what they're doing is. Their brainwashing of people is what made all this possible.
They all shall burn in hell.
 
I hope he was in the company of his Zigger buddies and not some folks out shopping.
Tatarsky's death was later confirmed by the Russian interior ministry. According to Russian media and Telegram channels, Tatarsky was holding an event at the cafe, which used to belong to Wagner Group head Evgenii Prigozhin, for followers of his coverage of the war. - The Kyiv Independent.
 
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Moscow is done in Ukraine.

This video has gone viral of a Moscow priest beating a Ukrainian soldier. Protesters are now in front of the church and they are angry. This seems like the final straw for many people.
Yikes. I know the Constantinople Patriarchate gave the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Not the Moscow one) a full patriarchate rank just a few years ago, but this mess may actually require pissing in the Moscow Patriarchs cheerios. Technically speaking Kiril should not be running Orthodox Churches in the domain of his Brother Archbishop Epiphanius. I'm not too knowledgeable on the rules and traditions of the Orthodox Church, but I am pretty sure that is one of them.

Outside looking in, it seems to me the Eastern Church was hoping for things to slowly divest over time as the two patriarchates go their separate ways. But this is Slavic History here, and happy endings are prohibited.
 
According to unconfirmed reports on Telegram channels, the explosive was concealed in a trophy that Tatarsky was supposed to receive.

Russian outlet Fontanka reported that according to people in attendance, the explosion happened five minutes after a female visitor handed Tatarsky the trophy, thought to contain several hundred grams of explosive material.
- The Kyiv Independent.

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the explosion happened five minutes after a female visitor handed Tatarsky the trophy,
and i thought they were fighting globohomo smh at least my intel was spot on
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Yikes. I know the Constantinople Patriarchate gave the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Not the Moscow one) a full patriarchate rank just a few years ago, but this mess may actually require pissing in the Moscow Patriarchs cheerios. Technically speaking Kiril should not be running Orthodox Churches in the domain of his Brother Archbishop Epiphanius. I'm not too knowledgeable on the rules and traditions of the Orthodox Church, but I am pretty sure that is one of them.

Outside looking in, it seems to me the Eastern Church was hoping for things to slowly divest over time as the two patriarchates go their separate ways. But this is Slavic History here, and happy endings are prohibited.
Moscow was never going to give it up.
 
Booze-bloated Russian dies, this is news?
 
Moscow was never going to give it up.
Its looking like they may have no choice at this point. What tools does the Ecumenical Patriarch actually have in this scenario? I would assume he can't just act unilaterally. Would he call a council to deal with this? I have to imagine from a purely institutional level this is "not a good look" as the kiddies like to say.
 
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Its looking like they may have no choice at this point. What tools does the Ecumenical Patriarch actually have in this scenario? I would assume he can't just act unilaterally. Would he call a council to deal with this? I have to imagine from a purely institutional level this is "not a good look" as the kiddies like to say.
At this point? It's over, Ukrainian people aren't going to tolerate their presence any longer I reckon.
 
In general the sheer lack of planning and unpreparedness on Russia's part prior to starting this war is incredible. There wasn't a single level-headed person in the government or military, who, even if they thought the war was a stupid idea to begin woth, would have at least suggested the country prepare for a large-scale invasion before starting it?

No wargaming or alternate plans in the event the rapid strike failed? The Allies felt confident in ultimate victory over Germany but they still rehearsed and planned out Operation Overlord for a year prior to launching it. And even then Eisenhower still wrote up an alternative speech in the event the landings failed.

Russia's handled this about as well as Iraq handled Iran, and we were arming the Iraqis!
The truly mind-boggling part is Russia DID have wargames in Belarus for the Blitzkreig invasion of Ukraine a few months before, which was taken as empty saber rattling. There were 3rd party observers, iirc Estonians, and the Russian performance in the wargames was hampered by (big shock) shit logistics especially for fuel.

This is why when the balloon went up, everyone's analysis was "If they are invading this soon after war games, CLEARLY that means they're applying the lessons learned." only to see that Russia applied zero lessons from the dress rehersal.

TBH so did everyone else. Ukraine was supposed to fall in 2 weeks. Even the USA assumed it would. Everything was geared towards an Afghanistan style insurgency. Not a full on Slav World War 1. The Russian Army could get away with alot of shit precisely because it had never, and ostensibly never would, get into a great power war with a peer power. If it actually got into a fight with the USA there would be nukes so in the end and deficiencies would never matter.
I sperged on this before, but Ukraine is a unique, never to be replicated situation. In nearly any other possible battlefield or opponents, Airpower would be in play and render WWI battles untenable. As it is, both sides are able to render the other's airpower to at best a supporting role.

Ukraine was the USSR's bastion against NATO, the CFE treaty actually calls out Ukraine specifically for limits on the number of troops/tanks that could be stationed there. In the event of war with NATO it was expected to get hit hard - airwings from Greece, Turkey and Med couldn't reach Moscow or northern supply routes. Russia could not match NATO airpower, so it was absolutely rotten with S300 systems. Those systems largely stayed with Ukraine, since Ukraine was very aligned with Russia still - if NATO decided to start wildin', even if Ukraine didn't come directly to Russia's aid, they'd defend their airspace and provide a bulwark. Which is why they were being provided with S400s.

Now, the S300 is a good SAM system, lets be clear. It is lethal against 3rd gen fighters, a threat to 4th gen, but was not designed to deal with the challenge of 5th generation fighters like the S400 is.

So if Ukraine had been attacked by NATO, their anti-air capabilities, while impressive, would have been depleted by ECM-toting 4th gen and 5th gen fighters.

Russia however, despite their Cope, has sucked ass at jets. The Mig-17 and Mig-21 are the only platforms could be considered peer to their American contemporaries, and its been down hill ever since. The Mig-29 eventually became alright, and the Su-27/31 families are fine platforms, but they are not Raptors and can barely keep up with F-16s. Russia has no 5th Generation fighter, and lack the airframes, pilot skill, and weapons. The fact Ukraine is getting fed AWACS data about everything Russia puts into the air definitely doesn't help matters either.

PTSD is one of those things that's been a lot longer than people think- IIRC one ancient chronicler mentions something along the lines of a greek (or macedonian I don't remember) hoplite who 'upon seeing his friend being killed next to him was struck blind'.

Many soldiers historically come back from wars effected in one way or another, but it of course was first widely bought to attention as 'Shell shock'- with the advent of modern war and constant shelling, it was like some of you up there have said, impossible to switch off, as death could come whistling from the sky at any moment.

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This is KF though, so I don't really know if it's the right place to be worrying about human costs.

I read a PTSD study that made sense to be and to tl;dr the issue with modern PTSD is how safe & crowded civilian life is. The battlefield is just as deadly, but previously you could just die at any time -disease, criminals, industrial accidents - and there was nothing to be done. Even through WWII, there was a good chance you personally knew someone who was injured by farm machinery. You accepted your mortality, and there was always a background of danger.

Now, civilian life is so impossibly safe. You go from always on die at any moment to complete safety. There's no middle ground. And there are fewer options for living in a low-density getting used to not being shot at or bombed environment.
 
He is one of the top Russian war propagandists. His Telegram has half a million followers. It's why all the other propagandists like Intel Slava Z is having a meltdown.
With a name like Tatarsky was he even really Russian? lol I know it's a nom de plume but why choose one that would lend to the impression he's some Turkic descendant of the Golden Horde instead of a true and honest Rooski
 
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Propaganda ended up being Kremlin's most powerful weapon.
but that is not the achievement of individual talking heads like this clown. he is one in a million.
somewhere in moscow, there is an organisation that coordinates and supervises the propaganda effort. i do not know if they have a dedicated government ministry for this, or if it is handled by a propaganda division in one of the glowie agencies, or some other arrangement. either way, that is where you would want to strike to actually hurt the russian propaganda machine.
 
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According to unconfirmed reports on Telegram channels, the explosive was concealed in a trophy that Tatarsky was supposed to receive.

Russian outlet Fontanka reported that according to people in attendance, the explosion happened five minutes after a female visitor handed Tatarsky the trophy, thought to contain several hundred grams of explosive material.
- The Kyiv Independent.

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Did they buy the trophy from a bunch of travelling pirates who happen to sell trophies or some shit? What's next, is Putin going to be poisoned using a nasty patty?
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With a name like Tatarsky was he even really Russian? lol
It's not entirely clear what a "real Russian" is even supposed to be, even to Russians themselves.
but that is not the achievement of individual talking heads like this clown. he is one in a million.
somewhere in moscow, there is an organisation that coordinates and supervises the propaganda effort. i do not know if they have a dedicated government ministry for this, or if it is handled by a propaganda division in one of the glowie agencies, or some other arrangement. either way, that is where you would want to strike to actually hurt the russian propaganda machine.
Big, small, they're all part of the same machine. All of them can die for all I care, the country would be better off.
 
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