Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Oilspill Battery]

So, worst case scenario, the show is going to go from a meandering, aimless, formulaic, no-plot-having, devoid-of-stakes, monster-of-the-week side quest series...to a meandering, aimless, formulaic, no-plot-having, devoid-of-stakes, monster-of-the-week side quest series, but with a different main character.

Oh, no, what a downgrade. My heart weeps.

They want to shift the plot from weekly mercenary work to the chosen one uniting all mandalorians using a prophecy or some shit which is retarded because disney can't write for shit.

Sicking to monster of the week plots with a loose thread to tie them toogether worked as it pitted disney's strength (production value) while minimizing their weakness (deep/nuanced writing.)

The original mando seasons worked because they were essentially cowboy beebop lite edition and now they want to play lord of the rings.

 

[The Ugly One]

My problem with the AT-AT is the coverage is limited to the head. In addition, it's also VERY slow to turn, so it's very easy to flank and get behind. Its main defense is that its 90% armor so it doesn't matter that it got shot a million times. In comparison, the AT-TE has a BFG as its primary weapon and that has 360 coverage and it's lower to the ground so it can't be tripped. it is objectively the better mobile artillery platform in every way except armor.

The AT-AT is this, on legs, with even worse visibility and maneuverability, plus a built-in vulnerability that makes its low visibility and maneuverability outright critical failures.



But in my book, the AT-AT is fine because the Hoth battle scene is awesome. A scene of sci-fi MBTs cruising across the snow and hitting the rebel outpost from 2km away wouldn't have had the same impact.

LMAO what a dumbass. Star Wars was never hard sci-fi like 2001 or more serious like Star Trek. The fantastical elements really seem to throw sci-fi nerds off when I think that's what makes it kind of unique.

Agreed. I'm just saying, Star Wars "engineering" was always retarded, and it's retarded because it's designed for audience entertainment and spectacle, not for actual military purpose. Mando isn't breaking tradition here.

Mando's problem is:

The original mando seasons worked because they were essentially cowboy beebop lite edition and now they want to play lord of the rings.

People will be cool with armored combat trains, mecha-elephants, and space gravity if the story's good.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Not much. Her character is fucking schizophrenic considering how all over the place her belief system is. Also she's a massive hypocrite so I imagine that actually rooting for her is going to be a crapshoot as time goes on.

Remember; she was conceptualized as the "new Boba Fett" except hot and female. (Which is why they got the most shapeless and bland actress they could find to play her in live action I guess.)

I’m not gonna dunk on her appearance since I’m not too petty, but her age does show. Disney casted the woman who voiced her in The Filoni Wars TV show (who also did Battlestar Galactica) which really confuses me on how Disney does castings for Star Wars now.

They will cast Bo-Katan’s voice actress, but not Ashoka’s? They’ll recast OT characters in some media, de-age the original characters in others?

 

[Ghostse]

I would have boned down on Katie Sackhoff any day, any time during her BSG run and while she's not Beer Goggles Only she is very much past her prime - especially for an action series, though really she should just be a voice. Mainly she doesn't really have a lot of range (or I guess to be more accurate, she's never gotten cast into a role with a lot of range) where she's just cast as Bitchy Aggrofem.

Which is terrible for Mando because the "Masked Bounty Hunter" archetype - I don't care if its Sci-fi, Urban, Fantasy, Western, Superhero, whatever - should speak the absolute minimum possible. And hollywood writers write females, especially now, in the exact opposite.

Plus I'm sure people can't fucking wait to have gender studies awkwardly injected into each episode.

So, worst case scenario, the show is going to go from a meandering, aimless, formulaic, no-plot-having, devoid-of-stakes, monster-of-the-week side quest series...to a meandering, aimless, formulaic, no-plot-having, devoid-of-stakes, monster-of-the-week side quest series, but with a different main character.

Oh, no, what a downgrade. My heart weeps.

TBF that main character is likely going to be written like complete ass. And It looks like they're going to try to make it have a plot.
Plus you know, if they're still watching Disney's drivel, you know they have zero standards or self-respect, their personality is only as a consooomer, and so they're going to be forced to watch the next season.

They want to shift the plot from weekly mercenary work to the chosen one uniting all mandalorians using a prophecy or some shit which is retarded because disney can't write for shit.

Sicking to monster of the week plots with a loose thread to tie them toogether worked as it pitted disney's strength (production value) while minimizing their weakness (deep/nuanced writing.)

The original mando seasons worked because they were essentially cowboy beebop lite edition and now they want to play lord of the rings.

You were warned, nigga. Repeatedly.
I look forward to zero lessons having been learned and seeing your hatereview of next season + ahsoka.

 

[draggs]

Engineering never mattered in Star Wars, hell the iconic fighter for the evil faction is the dumbest thing ever made. A TIE fighter pilot has to rely on sensors to see anything above, behind, below, or to either side, plus the maneuverability in an atmosphere is utter shit as is commented on many times in the EU

 

[starborn427614]

Katie's not too bad looking, especially for her age. Her range isn't that great but Bo's not exactly a complicated character so it works.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Engineering never mattered in Star Wars, hell the iconic fighter for the evil faction is the dumbest thing ever made. A TIE fighter pilot has to rely on sensors to see anything above, behind, below, or to either side, plus the maneuverability in an atmosphere is utter shit as is commented on many times in the EU

Not what I've seen in countless games and cutscenes. Heck, they're no worse than other starfighters. Especially in the films where they ice X-Wings no problemo.

 

[draggs]

Not what I've seen in countless games and cutscenes. Heck, they're no worse than other starfighters. Especially in the films where they ice X-Wings no problemo.

No amount of games, cutscenes, and films can erase the fact that a ball with a big vertical panel attached to each side would never work in an atmosphere. You can ignore realism, or not, as you please. It's a work of fiction. Some people care, some don't. It's whatever

Also in the films all X-Wing vs TIE fights happen in space until TFA. And snubfighter shields are completely ineffective in the films (unlike in the EU) unless the script decides you don't die. X-Wings not flown by Luke, Wedge, or Poe, they get chewed up by TIE lasers in 1-2 hits

 

[Adamska]

So, worst case scenario, the show is going to go from a meandering, aimless, formulaic, no-plot-having, devoid-of-stakes, monster-of-the-week side quest series...to a meandering, aimless, formulaic, no-plot-having, devoid-of-stakes, monster-of-the-week side quest series, but with a different main character.

Oh, no, what a downgrade. My heart weeps.

It's really amusing that Disney keeps hiring people who think it's a genius idea to try and sneak in characters people don't want to see as the protagonist and still is confused on why that's cratering their views.

Also doesn't help that none of them have a fucking clue how to write a tight single season plotline. Made all the worse since they legit pull dystopic shit and look at computers to tell them where and how the action must go.

Also TBH Dave shoving in Bo into everything more and more often is making me almost miss that hippy Satine by comparison.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

No amount of games, cutscenes, and films can erase the fact that a ball with a big vertical panel attached to each side would never work in an atmosphere. You can ignore realism, or not, as you please. It's a work of fiction. Some people care, some don't. It's whatever

Also in the films all X-Wing vs TIE fights happen in space until TFA. And snubfighter shields are completely ineffective in the films (unlike in the EU) unless the script decides you don't die. X-Wings not flown by Luke, Wedge, or Poe, they get chewed up by TIE lasers in 1-2 hits

That's because EU sources vary. Some say that TIEs aren't as good in atmosphere as they are in space, others don't care and have TIEs work just as well in atmosphere or space. And their design makes it so that they mooch off energy from the sun to add to their reserves, and last I checked, solar panels work both in ground and space.

Also, visually tracking things through a window is limited, since your line of sight is limited. Sensor range reaches farther than line of sight, so it makes sense to rely on sensors. In fact, I've seen people criticize SW ships for relying on windows too much, as the glass can be broken and the pilot inside can get sucked out into the vacuum.

 

[draggs]

That's because EU sources vary. Some say that TIEs aren't as good in atmosphere as they are in space, others don't care and have TIEs work just as well in atmosphere or space. And their design makes it so that they mooch off energy from the sun to add to their reserves, and last I checked, solar panels work both in ground and space.

Also, visually tracking things through a window is limited, since your line of sight is limited. Sensor range reaches farther than line of sight, so it makes sense to rely on sensors. In fact, I've seen people criticize SW ships for relying on windows too much, as the glass can be broken and the pilot inside can get sucked out into the vacuum.

It's transparisteel, not glass

No one is talking about the efficiency of huge solar panels in powering ion engines. We are talking about how unaerodynamic the TIE's solar panels are in atmosphere. Which they are if looked at from the hard-science perspective you blithering autist

We are talking about a civilization many thousands of years more advanced than ours, but their fighter craft and capital ships fight at close range instead of shooting missiles or railgun projectiles or massive lasers at each other from dozens or hundreds or thousands of kilometers away. Sensor range doesn't mean shit in Star Wars, where it's established that snubfighter lasers have an effective range of about a kilometer, and the max effective range for a snubfighter to lock on for a missile launch is TWO WHOLE KILOMETERS

Under those conditions, the Mark One eyeball is still very useful. Because SW is WW2 in space and we gotta have dogfights and close-range slugfests, which are much more dramatic and entertaining

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It's transparisteel, not glass

No one is talking about the efficiency of huge solar panels in powering ion engines. We are talking about how unaerodynamic the TIE's solar panels are in atmosphere. Which they are if looked at from the hard-science perspective you blithering autist

We are talking about a civilization many thousands of years more advanced than ours, but their fighter aircraft and capital ships fight at close range instead of shooting missiles at each other from dozens or hundreds or thousands of kilometers away. Sensor range doesn't mean shit in Star Wars, where it's established that snubfighter lasers have an effective range of about a kilometer, and the max effective range for a snubfighter to lock on for a missile launch is TWO WHOLE KILOMETERS

Transparisteel is easier to break compared to armor. That's why so many casual observers spit on SW ships for having windows and insist that ships relying on sensors only are superior. It's like what Legion from Mass Effect 2 told Commander Shepard about the Geth:

"Windows are structural weaknesses. Geth do not use them."

So TIE Fighters limiting their transparisteel windows to just the front is actually for the better in terms of realism. Especially when the X-Wing pilot does not wear a vacuum suit the way TIE pilots do. If that transparisteel window breaks, they're dead.

There's also the fact that we've seen multiple times that ships have anti-missile measures. Outside of just shooting missiles down mid-flight, we saw Kenobi use spare parts as chaff against Jango's missiles. Which means that yes, you have to get in close to finish the other guy off. Relying on long range missiles won't work if the other guy can shake them off or shoot them down, especially since fighter squadrons are rarely alone. They can just release some spare parts and the missiles hit that, or their wingmen can shoot the missile down before it hits them.

It's always funny to see people shitting on close-range sci-fi dogfights, when sci-fi has shown multiple cases of pilots shaking off or destroying missiles in transit. It's up to the point where the audience doesn't even feel threatened anymore when the pilot of their choice gets locked on by an enemy missile. I seem to remember the classic Gundam show where some robots shoot missiles aimed at them or their forces mid-flight. Which shows that you cant just rely on missiles all the time and sometimes you need to get up close and shoot them down.

Imagine a wing of TIEs flying at a wing of X-Wings that are facing them. The X-Wings lock on and fire their proton torpedoes from afar. The TIEs fire a volley of laser fire that destroys the torpedoes, forcing the X-Wings to engage up close with laser cannons.

 

[Sneed F91]

Kiwis, how old were you when you discovered the AT-ATs were a reference to War of the Worlds?

I was current years old. I watched the ESB commentary a few months ago and George brought it up. I feel dumb because it makes so much sense.

The only reason I liked the mandalorian is specifically because it had nothing to do with starwars.

literally 0.00 seconds into the first trailer of mando S1:

not for actual military purpose.

This is interesting because the designers who worked on the OT used real world military outfits, weapons, and vehicles for inspiration to make it believable, even though it's not realistic at all. It's not real life and there's nothing wrong with that. My problem only comes in when Disney Wars blatantly contradicts what was established in the movies.

 

[The Ugly One]

This is interesting because the designers who worked on the OT used real world military outfits, weapons, and vehicles for inspiration to make it believable, even though it's not realistic at all. It's not real life and there's nothing wrong with that. My problem only comes in when Disney Wars blatantly contradicts what was established in the movies.

Yeah, it's always a problem scifi has. If you make space travel and space combat make sense in a physics and tactics sense, it will be so alien to the audience's experience that they won't be entertained by it or really buy into what they're seeing. So you get fighter squadrons using aerial maneuvers at close distances because it's more "believable," yet far less realistic.

I am 100% a believer in bending the physics and engineering so the audience has a good time. You're making a movie, not a simulation. I want my armored combat trains and flying mech-suits with laser swords.

 

[Ghostse]

I am 100% a believer in bending the physics and engineering so the audience has a good time. You're making a movie, not a simulation. I want my armored combat trains and flying mech-suits with laser swords.

Sort of. You can fuck with physics need to keep verisimilitude.
You can have space-magic and laser swords, but the laser swords need to behave in a reasonably consistent fashion. It cannot slice through spaceship hulls and then three scenes later be blocked by some dudes knife (unless its been established, or is quickly established that the knife is made of Laser-sword resistent Bullshitium). You can make whatever fucky physics you want, but they need to bend consistently and when you break your own rules you need to have a good explanation for why everything just changed.
You can't have slow bombers and then suddenly weaponize hyperspace travel, because it completely upends the whole world.


You weeb faggots keep wanking about Gundam and that's part of the only reason the only Gundam I could sit through was 8th MS team because it was just ground-pounders pounding the ground. While we don't need a full physics breakdown, half way through there's no just "My Robot now goes 100% faster than missiles because I believe in myself and the divinity of the emperor" or whatever Nip bullshit.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Sicking to monster of the week plots with a loose thread to tie them toogether worked as it pitted disney's strength (production value) while minimizing their weakness (deep/nuanced writing.)

The problem is that production value doesn't mitigate anemic characterizations, boring action, illogical character decisions and butt-fucking retarded premises per episode.

People keep referring to Blando as "monster-of-the-week" entertainment or a "Space Western", and it only reaffirms to me that these people have never watched a Western in their lives, let alone in the fabled Spaghetti sub-genre that everyone compares it to, but evidently have never watched.

As someone who is a die-hard, irrational Eurowestern enjoyer, I can tell you that, yes, virtually every movie in the genre is an entirely standalone jaunt with no promise of sequels or larger world-building...but what separates them from Blando, however, is that they're actually fucking GOOD. Even discounting pinnacles of the genre like your Leone and Corbucci efforts, run-of-the-mill gems like Shoot the Living, Pray for the Dead, Face to Face, The Price of Power, and the Sartana films lived and died because of the nail-bitingly tense scenarios, rich and textured characters, and gritty, uncompromising insight into human morality that made each film shine. Even the loud, dumb schlocky examples of the genre like Massacre Time, Vengeance and Kill 'Em All and Come Back Alone survive by the inventiveness of their action scenes and gunfighting heroics, even where the plot and characters couldn't be more forgettable.

Blando has never had any of these redeeming qualities, in spite of everyone comparing it to non-serialized gunfighter stories. From the beginning, it has remained an empty and vapid show enjoyed by people with rock-bottom standards.

The only reason Season 3 seems incrimentally shitter than usual is that the showrunners have run out of fanservice cameos and retarded time-wasting sidequest shit to fill out the episodes, and have now resorted to focusing on Mandalore's skull-spittingly dumb Warrior Culture in a last-ditch effort to stave off the growing impatience of their consoomer audience.

And even then, I fully expect them to pull a last-second exercise in gratuity like the Luke Hallway Scene before the scene is over, just to win some praise and use it to hoodwink retards everywhere into believing the whole season was good...just likeRogue One before it.

Also TBH Dave shoving in Bo into everything more and more often is making me almost miss that hippy Satine by comparison.

Oof, I don't know if I'd go that far. I don't know a single character in Filoni's stable of OC's who was half as insufferable as Satine.

She was all of TCW's preschool level writing and Fisher Price approach to war and peace condensed into one awful character...the Relena Peacecraft of Star Wars.

Killing her off may be the only decent thing those TCW writers did in seven seasons of that horrendous cartoon...and you will hear me hand out compliments to that show often. I already feel dirty doing it.

You weeb faggots keep wanking about Gundam and that's part of the only reason the only Gundam I could sit through was 8th MS team because it was just ground-pounders pounding the ground. While we don't need a full physics breakdown, half way through there's no just "My Robot now goes 100% faster than missiles because I believe in myself and the divinity of the emperor" or whatever Nip bullshit.

Based.

Gundam is ugly and boring, and I would not have sex with it.

 

[Seventh Star]

The AT-AT is this, on legs, with even worse visibility and maneuverability, plus a built-in vulnerability that makes its low visibility and maneuverability outright critical failures.

The Char 2C, funnily enough, actually had great visibility for a tank of its time. See those two mushroom shaped things on top of both turrets? They're stroboscopic cupolas, basically an armored cylinder with slits that rotates at a high enough speed to give 360° visibility through the slits.

 

[Midwit]

And yes, when I'm watching a space man with lasers in a fist fight, I will ask why the hell he's fighting and not shooting them or why the empire uses shitty trucks.

But this sounds kindof like defenses of the Last Jedi bombers.

The bombers are actually a surprisingly decent design, the issue is that they're used in the wrong context and in service of some of the dumbest writing I've ever seen in a Sci-Fi context.

Gundam is ugly and boring, and I would not have sex with it.

BattleTech is the only big mech setting that's actually fun, because it's a setting about yourdudes in yourmechs fucking about in the galaxy rather than it being a story about a succession of autistic childs being forced into the same fucking war over and over again.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The bombers are actually a surprisingly decent design, the issue is that they're used in the wrong context and in service of some of the dumbest writing I've ever seen in a Sci-Fi context.

BattleTech is the only big mech setting that's actually fun, because it's a setting about yourdudes in yourmechs fucking about in the galaxy rather than it being a story about a succession of autistic childs being forced into the same fucking war over and over again.

The TLJ bombers are really just the victims of graft. As Tex says, "military procurement is done by people who will never see a battlefield in their lives spending as much of other people's money as possible." People like Admiral Holdo put out an order that said "Drop moar bombs!" She didn't put in an order that said those bombs had to be guided or have enough armor & shields or have the best propulsion system possible and even legitimate businesses are okay with filling out those kinds of orders without caring if they actually work.

Of course, Rian Johnson bungled this point in his movie in execution by making both sides buy from the same people while also insisting that Holdo was honest.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

He wouldn't do that. He clearly wanted to make the show for kids and has even stated that from what I remember when he made that bad movie it started with.

Maybe TCW was intended to be more kid-friendly but it didn't always seem that way. Hondo proved to be a pervy pirate sex pest with how he treated Ahsoka in captivity and his reference to Maul and Savage as being "horny." And there's also Maul decapitating the Black Sun members (until Disney conveniently censored that scene).

Sure, TCW did have some family-friendly episodes (The Gathering comes to mind), but there was definitely a mix of that and stuff that was not always appropriate for younger eyes.

It's all moot now. Disney is making whatever it wants hoping to please fans even if it shits on what was previously known or leaves people wondering wtf is going on due to the overall lack of any sort of coherent story or worldbuilding.