Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Elämällä on väliä]

Can't help but wonder how the other thread is doing.

AnimeProfilePics1-3 are screamig about muh terrorism (they shouldn't be happy that bombs was small and targeted in loudspeakers?), mister 'sanctions are making Putin more horny' just accused CIA. All of them are wondering how many operators from CIA are in ruzzia, no one have idea why war with Ukraine is a bad idea when you have milions of Ukrainians in invading country.

Lack of history knowledge in that thread is probably purpose why hey didn't get how bad things can go if the war will go for longer. I mean, most of daesh terrorists in Europe wasn't a Call of Duty terrorists who came with a mission to kill, just more or less regular guys, often born in Europe, who get assmad when they learn about someone killed in war on terrorism. And then they take a ride on sidewalk. Few bad days (and learning that some relatives was killed by your country of residence), Internet and we get a terrorist, model 'lone wolf'.

 

[AgendaPoster]

[NYT article archive]

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

The Vatnikus will shriek and scream loudly to alert other members of its troop to potential danger.

This idiots really didn't get it. One day it will not be a someone in touch with SBU who we be ordered to kill a millbloger, but some assmad Ukrainian teenager who will bring axe to his ruzzian school in Shitty Petersburg.

Or a contracted worker from Belarus, who will learn that his friend died defending Ukraine - for example, this guy will reenact FSB terrorism booms in apratment complexes (funfact about apartment complex from prefabricates: it is a bad idea to gave gas instalations in them. It will not require any equipment to destroy such building. And most of such buildings in EE had such isntalations).

Or it will be another Masha, but this time Masha will be a boy, who will steal a truck and take a ride on sidewalk.

They didn't read Bible. Hosea 8:7 They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

 

[Clownish]

Here is a little tip for anyone that does not know Ukrainian or Russian and are fed up with Google Translate.

The best Online Translator I have found is DeepL Translate. If you have a VPN you can just keep switching countries to bypass any limiter. https://www.deepl.com/Translator

 

[Pork Packer]

It still boggles my mind that all of these "dissident right" types can support the most powerful communist party on the planet. Even the vatniggers worship the tiny cock of a former KGB colonel. The only good commie is a dead commie.

Well having zero actual fucking principles or genuinely held beliefs beyond "say edgy shit for attention and /pol/ asspats" makes this mental disconnect phenomenally easy.

Observe the hominid Vatnikus Niggerus in its native habitat, Telegram. Usually territorial and prone to random acts of violence, when specifically targeted it engages in chest puffery and displays usually associated with the Chimpanzee. The Vatnikus will shriek and scream loudly to alert other members of its troop to potential danger.

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I have taken the liberty of hiring a professional to do a dramatic reading of this

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Observe the hominid Vatnikus Niggerus in its native habitat, Telegram. Usually territorial and prone to random acts of violence, when specifically targeted it engages in chest puffery and displays usually associated with the Chimpanzee. The Vatnikus will shriek and scream loudly to alert other members of its troop to potential danger.

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Talk about seething. Calls for violence such as these will be answered, just not in the way they expect.

 

[freight]

new pics of the accused bomber umm babe alert????

also fucking hell bros can we get a phenotype check

 

[Standardized Profile]

and i thought they were fighting globohomo smh at least my intel was spot on

Globohomo? Ladyspies and assassins have a long and distinguished history, from Rahab and Judith in the Bible to Virginia Hall and Cuthbert in WWII.

Propaganda guys are replecable. From time to time is good to blow one or two just to be sure that enemy knows no one is safe, but as a regular pratice - it would be a waste of time and resources.

It's also legally questionable. You can drop bombs on a uniformed psyop unit all day long, there won't be any question of target selection or (unless the bombs are nuclear) proportionality. Civilian intelligence services supporting the warfighters might lose their protection from attack, but targeting individual employees might require showing some link between that employee and the hostilities. Blowing up bloggers in cafes is a little more difficult. They are not in the armed forces, have not lost their civilian protection from attack, and the attack seems disproportionate because it will almost certain kill other civilians for no real military advantage.

In the Ukrainians' defense, assuming they carried out the operation, they might have had intelligence that the blogger was taking orders or pay from the Russian state, which makes it harder to defend him as an innocent civilian. And if the woman who handed him the trophy was their operative or agent, she did an absolutely perfect job of target verification. Looked him right in the eyes, handed him a bomb, and walked away.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Talk about seething. Calls for violence such as these will be answered, just not in the way they expect.

Its pretty obvious why they are seething. This was supposed to be over months ago in glorious Russian victory. The milbloggers were supposed to be there cheering the victory, posting the memes and seeing their world view validated.

Instead we are two months into the second year of the war and one of their own just got killed fucking dead. Probably by a Ukrainian agent. It's not fun anymore. Its real. And they HATE this.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Its pretty obvious why they are seething. This was supposed to be over months ago in glorious Russian victory. The milbloggers were supposed to be there cheering the victory, posting the memes and seeing their world view validated.

Instead we are two months into the second year of the war and one of their own just got killed fucking dead. Probably by a Ukrainian agent. It's not fun anymore. Its real. And they HATE this.

Maybe they'll start realizing that it's not a fucking game. But who am I kidding.

Globohomo? Ladyspies and assassins have a long and distinguished history, from Rahab and Judith in the Bible to Virginia Hall and Cuthbert in WWII.


It's also legally questionable. You can drop bombs on a uniformed psyop unit all day long, there won't be any question of target selection or (unless the bombs are nuclear) proportionality. Civilian intelligence services supporting the warfighters might lose their protection from attack, but targeting individual employees might require showing some link between that employee and the hostilities. Blowing up bloggers in cafes is a little more difficult. They are not in the armed forces, have not lost their civilian protection from attack, and the attack seems disproportionate because it will almost certain kill other civilians for no real military advantage.

In the Ukrainians' defense, assuming they carried out the operation, they might have had intelligence that the blogger was taking orders or pay from the Russian state, which makes it harder to defend him as an innocent civilian. And if the woman who handed him the trophy was their operative or agent, she did an absolutely perfect job of target verification. Looked him right in the eyes, handed him a bomb, and walked away.

There are rumors that Prigozhin himself was supposed to attend the event and might've been the real target, but that's all it is.

 

[siegemeister675]

Here is a little tip for anyone that does not know Ukrainian or Russian and are fed up with Google Translate.

The best Online Translator I have found is DeepL Translate. If you have a VPN you can just keep switching countries to bypass any limiter. https://www.deepl.com/Translator

Good find, too bad they don't have Arabic yet.

 

[Ghostse]

The over efficient withdrawal by Surovikin from Kherson city over a body of water with Ukrainian forces following close behind probably was a black mark for Putin. Overlapping agencies, and military formations are good dictator SOP and the trait of those who advance in that world is to be seen as loyal. Efficiency in deal with rivals is good, but an excessively efficient performance as a commander meant Surovikin was due for replacement. Gerasimov made a mess of the opening days if the war, but is loyal.

Surovikin was a potential threat to Shoigu and Gerasimov. He had a reputation, even a nickname. He could have become a symbol for anti-Shoigu/Gerasimovites

So they deliberately put him in a situation where he had to make decisions that were militarily correct but politically unpalatable. Then they replaced him when they'd accomplished their objective of destroying any usefulness he might have had to their opposition. He was the fall guy for the idiots who got Russia in an untenable position north of the Dnieper in the first place, idiots who were of the Shoigu/Gerasimov faction, so they couldn't take the blame oh no. Send in General Armageddon, set him up to "fail," then replace him. Message delivered loud and clear to anyone in the military or the civilian side of the Kremlin who might want to undermine and supplant them

Ol' Borscht and Guts is the only competent commander Russia has anywhere near the wheel.
The current guy is good at strategy that basically comes down to "getting your opponent to self-own" but that doesn't work so well when everyone is united against you.

His "Lol GeNeRaL ReTrEaT" stuff he's mocked for is the only reason Russia is holding what it has able to pressure Bahkmut. If he hadn't pulled back from Kherson and repositioned units to defensible locations, and put down edicts about "not storing ammo where HIMARS can reach guys are smoking" there would not only be more dead russians but they would have destroyed two regular army units and who knows how much material in retarded operations like Kremmlina "just drive through the minefeild bro all the cool kids are doing it".

The fact they demoted him is great news for Ukraine.

Killing guys like this blogger is all part of the psychological side of warfare.

Shows that no one is safe anywhere and vocal supporters are fair game.

I'm still betting on internal glow op because he was talking shit about high command.
He's too much of an internet retard to go after.

 

[Foltest]

The blogger who got killed was an Ukrainian (lol) who was first in jail for robbing a bank back in 2011, got freeddd by the Russians in Donbas and joined them in 2014.
He has also put out numerous statements about the Bucha massacre and how more of them will happen and the west should fear Russia.
So in short, he was a PoS and a legit target.
If vatniks can defend the terror bombing, then this is fair game as well, if we are using their logics.

 

[siegemeister675]

Observe the hominid Vatnikus Niggerus in its native habitat, Telegram. Usually territorial and prone to random acts of violence, when specifically targeted it engages in chest puffery and displays usually associated with the Chimpanzee. The Vatnikus will shriek and scream loudly to alert other members of its troop to potential danger.

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The blogger who got killed was an Ukrainian (lol) who was first in jail for robbing a bank back in 2011, got freeddd by the Russians in Donbas and joined them in 2014.
He has also put out numerous statements about the Bucha massacre and how more of them will happen and the west should fear Russia.
So in short, he was a PoS and a legit target.
If vatniks can defend the terror bombing, then this is fair game as well, if we are using their logics.

Two wrongs don't make a right, not to go full vatnik but there are (an overblown by the Ruzzians) small amount of actual Nazis on the Ukrainian side beying for the blood of inferior races, I wouldn't support the FSB terrorist bombing them for posting on Telegram. I don't think this is a good move but I do agree this particular guy was a POS and I won't shed a tear for him, I just disapprove of terrorism against civilian targets in general.

 

[Elämällä on väliä]

new pics of the accused bomber umm babe alert????

Have fun looking for someone looking just like any random woman in EE.

Honestly - all of people on this pics looks like specimens from collection 'EE general population 2010-2030'.

if we are using their logics.

Probably we shouldn't.

It's also legally questionable

Blowing up bloggers in cafes is a little more difficult.

Well, yes and no. This guy was a loudspeaker how ruzzia should conduct this war. It isn't a part of their military, but have some role in this war.

It will be hard to provide evidence that his shitposting do any harm, but it is easy to state that he took part of propaganda part of war. Ukraine will probably deny they involvement, but honestly - they may just make this because it is less evil compared to alternatives. I explained my view in previous comments: in my opinion in this moment they are many Ukrainians in ruzzia that have motivation to take revenge, so it is better to give them toys, tell them to kill guy X so they will fulfil they revenge without making a massacre. You know, assasin style, not bloodbath style.

Because for an angry guy is easier to kill some random peoples in soft targets (terrorists attacks as I described some comments ago, or IDK killing a random police guys from highway patrol or so). It is just better for everyone if our angry revenger didn't make something funny in random place targeting random hommies.

It happened in former Yugoslavia when the war was in full blown. When a random Croat/Serbian guy learned that some Serbs/Croats killed his family, firends or so he often didn't hunt for perpetrators but was taking revenge on other Serbs/Croats than perpetrators. It is just easier to burn 'their' village (alltogether with 'their' womans and kids) when 'our' village (allthogether with 'our' womans and kids) was destroyed by them.

It always ends this way, the question is how quick it will happen and in which form.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

The blogger who got killed was an Ukrainian (lol) who was first in jail for robbing a bank back in 2011, got freeddd by the Russians in Donbas and joined them in 2014.
He has also put out numerous statements about the Bucha massacre and how more of them will happen and the west should fear Russia.
So in short, he was a PoS and a legit target.
If vatniks can defend the terror bombing, then this is fair game as well, if we are using their logics.

That's a good point. Russia's missile strikes on civilian infrastructure in Ukraine along with the collateral damage is nothing short of terrorism. Which they'll continue to do as much as resources allow either way. This is peanuts in comparison.
If people are worried about "eye for an eye", Russia isn't going to recognize Ukraine's virtue if they were to let all of this go. Gopniks see kindness as a weakness, and that's essentially who's running Kremlin. They'll continue to use every method available to break Ukraine no matter what. I don't see why there should be any reservations regarding human garbage advocating for this war.
Ukraine lost a lot of civilians to this war, and many good men who could've led productive, peaceful lives had to take up arms to protect their home, and many have perished as a result at the hands of Russians. If anything, Ukraine has been reserved as far as retribution is concerned.

new pics of the accused bomber umm babe alert????
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Also, just look at the fucking screen. Dude deserved bombing just for being a tryhard faggot.

Dunno, maybe I'm being too emotional. But I kind of think those glorifying the war deserve a taste of it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The fact they demoted him is great news for Ukraine.

Usually in wars the political Generals get fucking wrecked in the end and the warriors take over. Sadly for Russia, this process usually takes three years. I doubt we've heard the last of Surovikin. Especially if 2023 goes for Russia the way we are expecting. Putin would be an idiot not to keep him around, just so Shoigu knows he can be replaced if he keeps fucking up.

 

[Clownish]

Russian police detained Darya Trepova, suspected in bringing a statue with explosives that killed Russian propagandist Vladlen Tatarsky. Darya is 26y.o. and according to reports is a local antiwar activist, detained twice for antiwar protests. - Liveuamap

This might not have been a Ukrainian plot. Waiting for more information.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Russian police detained Darya Trepova, suspected in bringing a statue with explosives that killed Russian propagandist Vladlen Tatarsky. Darya is 26y.o. and according to reports is a local antiwar activist, detained twice for antiwar protests. - Liveuamap

This might not have been a Ukrainian plot. Waiting for more information.

Plot twist. Angry woman who lost brother/husband/son takes it out on person she blames. Many such stories.

Also, wasn't the statue a representation of "Remove Kebab" guy? That was the bomb?! We are operating on levels of meme warfare hereto thought impossible.

 

[freight]

umm nsfw of the exploding funko pop assassin

idk im seeing these get spread could be bullshit lol

detention pic for reference
dumb retard not detention pic srry