Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[anti SJW]

Sometimes i wonder if Hasbro WANTS WoTC to fail, so they can sell it for some chinese company and get some money to burn with Power Rangers or something.

I've seen the movie. Its really good, a fun fantasy heist movie. But what I did find odd is at the end it says something like "Based on Hasbro's Dungeons and Dragons." No mention of WOTC.

 

[Alabama Gamer]

Played a fun April Fool's session tonight. We all rolled up the spiritual opposites of our characters. The Erastilian (Erastil is the Pathfinder god of comfy bucolic ruralite supremacy) ranger/shaman became a selfish and narcissistic rogue/mesmerist, the bloodrager became a bigbrained psychic, the Hellknight became a CN drood, the wizard became a grappling-focused monk, and my straitlaced LG cleric became a bisexual CN tiefling sorcerer. Our opposition: a city district's worth of rioting plebs and a conspiracy of supernatural clowns and carnies. I had especial fun because I found the perfect piece of character art through Google search, that of a tiefling whose shirt started somewhere above the nipples. Since my effeminate tiefling could fly and was a blaster caster, he was christened "the Enola Gay".

 

[PaladinBoo]

I've seen the movie. Its really good, a fun fantasy heist movie.

This is what I've been hearing too from reviewers who I trust. This makes the movie possibly bombing all the more sadder and funnier. The movie seems to be genuinely a love letter to D&D and not filled to the brim with the usual SJW woke bullshit that plagues D&D now. However, WotC just could not help themselves in pissing off the core costumer base of D&D which is white males. They told white men that they don't want them as their audience anymore and to go fuck themselves. Rewriting D&D lore and filling the supplement books with woke shit to appease danger hairs and trannies. The Jewish writer of the movie couldn't help himself in saying that he hates white men and enjoys emasculating white men in his movies. You have WotC pissing on the legacy of Tolkien with them race swapping Lord of the Rings characters and telling fans; "Tolkien was racist! We fixed his characters!". You of course have the OGL which WotC doubled down on.

Now they want the audience who they told to fuck off to go see their movie and give them money? Yeah, that isn't going to happen. In fact, almost every comment I've seen on Twitter from WotC promoting the movie is people going; "No thanks! I don't want to see white males get emasculated." Or "You said that you don't want people like me as fans for D&D anymore so I'm not going to see the movie." It is amazing to me how badly WotC shot themselves in the foot this past year. Maybe if the company wasn't filled to the brim with libshits from Seattle the movie may have become a pop culture phenomenon. Instead now it will be lucky to make its money back. Sad that the movie will probably bomb but if WotC suffers over its failure then I am only too happy to see it.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

I've seen the movie. Its really good, a fun fantasy heist movie. But what I did find odd is at the end it says something like "Based on Hasbro's Dungeons and Dragons." No mention of WOTC.

I noticed that too. I don't recall seeing a single mention of WotC.

Which is strange. I grant, internal divisions in a big corp are a thing, but you'd think they'd at least mention WotC.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I noticed that too. I don't recall seeing a single mention of WotC.

Which is strange. I grant, internal divisions in a big corp are a thing, but you'd think they'd at least mention WotC.

It's possible the marketing guys at Hasbro have realized WotC's brand is slightly radioactive now. That, and a lot of people who will watch the movie only know Dungeons & Dragons from shit like Strange Things (if they're young) or the cartoon (if they're old fogeys like yours truly), neither of which mention Wizards of the Coast.

With how Hasbro has been trying to heavily monetize elevate their IPs to be more than just RPGs and cardgames, why not just take credit for something the subsidiary has been doing? It's not like WotC can complain about it.

 

[Ghostse]

This is what I've been hearing too from reviewers who I trust. This makes the movie possibly bombing all the more sadder and funnier. The movie seems to be genuinely a love letter to D&D and not filled to the brim with the usual SJW woke bullshit that plagues D&D now. However, WotC just could not help themselves in pissing off the core costumer base of D&D which is white males. They told white men that they don't want them as their audience anymore and to go fuck themselves. Rewriting D&D lore and filling the supplement books with woke shit to appease danger hairs and trannies. The Jewish writer of the movie couldn't help himself in saying that he hates white men and enjoys emasculating white men in his movies. You have WotC pissing on the legacy of Tolkien with them race swapping Lord of the Rings characters and telling fans; "Tolkien was racist! We fixed his characters!". You of course have the OGL which WotC doubled down on.

Now they want the audience who they told to fuck off to go see their movie and give them money? Yeah, that isn't going to happen. In fact, almost every comment I've seen on Twitter from WotC promoting the movie is people going; "No thanks! I don't want to see white males get emasculated." Or "You said that you don't want people like me as fans for D&D anymore so I'm not going to see the movie." It is amazing to me how badly WotC shot themselves in the foot this past year. Maybe if the company wasn't filled to the brim with libshits from Seattle the movie may have become a pop culture phenomenon. Instead now it will be lucky to make its money back. Sad that the movie will probably bomb but if WotC suffers over its failure then I am only too happy to see it.

Honestly I think it has more do with White Straight males going to see John Wick 4 and white soyboy numales going to see SMB. I cannot believe the idiot who thought "yeah, John Wick 4 & SMB, that's the weekend. we're going wipe the floor with those guys."

Plus the official D&D Movies do not have a good track record.

 

[AnOminous]

Gary Gygax talked about this decades ago. He stated while women love the role playing aspect they didn't like the action, adventure, violence or game play.

It's possible to play an RPG with a heavy emphasis on the role-playing aspect instead of combat and other stuff. The last few campaigns I ran before moving on from RPGs were like this, with most of them involving diplomacy and political intrigue rather than combat. It's probably no coincidence we had more women players.

While there was the occasional GoT-style bloodbath, most sessions involved little to no dice rolling.

They were also more open-world than dungeon-crawling. While I did have some scenarios ready, I didn't get bent about if the party went and decided to do something entirely different, so my "modules" were mostly just descriptions of places and characters and the occasional violent baddy.

One of them was basically just about replacing a bad king with a slightly less bad king, but couldn't involve violence because it would set off a powderkeg.

I've seen the movie. Its really good, a fun fantasy heist movie. But what I did find odd is at the end it says something like "Based on Hasbro's Dungeons and Dragons." No mention of WOTC.

I wonder if they're going to sunset WotC. It's become one of the most reviled companies in gaming. They make Games Workshop look like a company that truly cares about consoomers.

 

[PaladinBoo]

The movie opened to a okay 38.5M this weekend. However, people are saying that the Power Rangers movie made more its opening weekend than the new D&D movie. Plus the movie is going to suffer a massive drop next week when Mario comes out. Sad, if the movie came out at a different time it may have made a profit and been the talk of the town.

I wonder if they're going to sunset WotC. It's become one of the most reviled companies in gaming. They make Games Workshop look like a company that truly cares about consoomers.

WotC is the company with the highest ESG score in North America. Because of that Hasbro may have a hard time sun setting WotC. However, with the upcoming banking crisis Hasbro may have to rein in WotC and the trannies and danger hairs that work there as they can't rely on the banks and BlackRock to bail them out anymore.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

This makes the movie possibly bombing all the more sadder and funnier. The movie seems to be genuinely a love letter to D&D and not filled to the brim with the usual SJW woke bullshit that plagues D&D now.

The trailer looks like Marvel garbage in a fantasy world. No wonder why it's bombing. Even if the movie is better than that, the first impression is awful.

 

[AnOminous]

WotC is the company with the highest ESG score in North America.

So it must be an absolute shithole to work at.

 

[Alabama Gamer]

Another entry into the quotes file tonight. For whatever reason the super-grim eldritch horror Adventure Path has given rise to the best lines.
"Remember, anyone who runs is a Hastur cultist. Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined Hastur cultist!"

 

[robobobo]

Wizards has released a preview video of their virtual tabletop, complete with the requisite BIPOCs making soy faces at groundbreaking things like having 3D dice that roll when you drag and drop them. It's nice-looking, I'll grant it that, though I anticipate a significant price tag.
Think on this: Someone has to design thousands of 3D monsters, characters, and maps. Do you want your game to have a certain-looking cathedral map for your game? Well good fucking luck finding one done up in this VTT, and if you can find one that's a close match, bet you it costs $$ to get, or a significant monthly subscription cost. For current VTTs it's an easy prospect to use a 2D map maker to just draw up a map, several of them will automatically export with walls and light sources pre-rendered for Foundry. Same deal for characters, I foresee that lots of people are going to be salty that their super-specific queer tiefling rogue is not available as a mini because it lacks their distinctive septum piercing and matching cockring.

 

[Adamska]

Wizards has released a preview video of their virtual tabletop, complete with the requisite BIPOCs making soy faces at groundbreaking things like having 3D dice that roll when you drag and drop them. It's nice-looking, I'll grant it that, though I anticipate a significant price tag.
Think on this: Someone has to design thousands of 3D monsters, characters, and maps. Do you want your game to have a certain-looking cathedral map for your game? Well good fucking luck finding one done up in this VTT, and if you can find one that's a close match, bet you it costs $$ to get, or a significant monthly subscription cost. For current VTTs it's an easy prospect to use a 2D map maker to just draw up a map, several of them will automatically export with walls and light sources pre-rendered for Foundry. Same deal for characters, I foresee that lots of people are going to be salty that their super-specific queer tiefling rogue is not available as a mini because it lacks their distinctive septum piercing and matching cockring.

Pretty sure they're committing to ignoring homebrew since they can't control it and so they don't care. They might even want to punish people who homebrew precisely because they can't control it, and so you have to use this trash with 6e.

This is pretty fucking retarded though, even if it is flashy. It's going to be limited based on what options you have, meaning other services will likely stay popular.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

The movie seems to be genuinely a love letter to D&D and not filled to the brim with the usual SJW woke bullshit that plagues D&D now. However, WotC just could not help themselves in pissing off the core costumer base of D&D which is white males. They told white men that they don't want them as their audience anymore and to go fuck themselves.

The only woke part of the movie is that there were only two white male characters, neither of whom had any talents besides being witty, and the one who wasn't evil married a black woman and had an ashen skinned mulatto daughter. The actors are all great, so it's possible that the cast is just diverse and not Diverse.

I really like how well the movie captured the feel of a table. The not-quite-serious tone, the ramshackle way a party will often do things, the OP NPC who says "now I must go" and takes off the moment that things cool down. Even the OP portal gun/magic item feels like something the DM would improvise after a player fucked up their precious Grimtooth style gauntlet before the NPC could even finish explaining it, making the map impossible to navigate. The party was the perfect size for a gaming group (4 people plus a couple of NPCs that visitors can pick up for a session or two) and well-balanced. I imagine that quite a lot of thought went into that in case Wizards decides to turn the characters into pregens for some kind of beginner box in the future.

I saw it at a Sunday matinee and was one of fewer than ten people in a theater that could hold around a hundred, for what it's worth.

 

[PaladinBoo]

So the movie did bomb. It made about the same amount of money opening weekend that Shazam 2 did. However, the media have been running defense for both WotC and the movie. Fucking typical of them.

From what I hear the movie needs to make 350-400M to break even. With Mario coming out that isn't going to happen. If I was Hasbro I would be firing every danger hair and tranny who couldn't keep their mouth shut over woke politics and their hatred of white men. Their bridge burning caused Hasbro to lose a lot of money.

 

[Ghostse]

Wizards has released a preview video of their virtual tabletop, complete with the requisite BIPOCs making soy faces at groundbreaking things like having 3D dice that roll when you drag and drop them. It's nice-looking, I'll grant it that, though I anticipate a significant price tag.
Think on this: Someone has to design thousands of 3D monsters, characters, and maps. Do you want your game to have a certain-looking cathedral map for your game? Well good fucking luck finding one done up in this VTT, and if you can find one that's a close match, bet you it costs $$ to get, or a significant monthly subscription cost. For current VTTs it's an easy prospect to use a 2D map maker to just draw up a map, several of them will automatically export with walls and light sources pre-rendered for Foundry. Same deal for characters, I foresee that lots of people are going to be salty that their super-specific queer tiefling rogue is not available as a mini because it lacks their distinctive septum piercing and matching cockring.

I think the video gave me 2nd-hand AIDS.

Counter point: a lot of "autogen" mapmaking software uses 3rd objects (for light/shadow) and it wouldn't be overly hard to just texture the rest of the asset. They say in the video they are going to have everything able to be broken apart and rebuilt. Who knows how granular that will be.

OTOH: 3rd maps are going to be much, much larger in file size than 2-D maps. Because you know they're going to keep this all in the cloud, I don't know how you're goign to have much in the way of available files.

The other thing that's going to be harder is when I have something I cannot find: Weird monster, trap, effect, etc I can easily toss down a "Letter" token and say "That's the elderly Tiefling inn keeper". That sort of Proxy is harder to do in 3D.

My assumption is they're going to try to try to turn this into some sort of "killer app" for published modules where you buy the strixhaven map pack and all your barista dreams come true.

 

[Adamska]

It's really weird they're even bothering to defend the film, because NONE of the DnD films ever made their money back. It's actually amazingly retarded Wizards keeps trying to do this, since each and every one of them were bombs.

First movie? Didn't even make cost back. In fact only made 3/4ths of its production budget back.
Second movie? Made 1/10th back on box office.
Third movie? Direct to DVD shit from Bulgaria.

Fucking delusional and beyond idiotic to try and defend that shit. Especially since it's going to get reamed by what's near it.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

It's really weird they're even bothering to defend the film, because NONE of the DnD films ever made their money back. It's actually amazingly retarded Wizards keeps trying to do this, since each and every one of them were bombs.

First movie? Didn't even make cost back. In fact only made 3/4ths of its production budget back.
Second movie? Made 1/10th back on box office.
Third movie? Direct to DVD shit from Bulgaria.

Fucking delusional and beyond idiotic to try and defend that shit. Especially since it's going to get reamed by what's near it.

I remember watching the second movie back in the day and really liking it. It was the one where it's set so far out from the first movie that none of the events really mattered right? I remember the whole thing felt like a pretty standard mid level dungeons and dragons campaign session that wrote in pretty much everything straight from the rulebooks which for a guy like me was all I could have asked for. Part of the fun was seeing the princess character cast Vision, which is a 7th level spell, and getting into a conversation about how she should probably be doing more to help given that she was at least a 13th level wizard.

Good times.

The rogue in that was also just a scumbag shithead with some great lines. It's not a great movie and was something that was truly made for it's core demographic at the time. Out of all three of those movies I'd vote to say its best of the worst.

 

[Ghostse]

I remember watching the second movie back in the day and really liking it. It was the one where it's set so far out from the first movie that none of the events really mattered right? I remember the whole thing felt like a pretty standard mid level dungeons and dragons campaign session that wrote in pretty much everything straight from the rulebooks which for a guy like me was all I could have asked for. Part of the fun was seeing the princess character cast Vision, which is a 7th level spell, and getting into a conversation about how she should probably be doing more to help given that she was at least a 13th level wizard.

Good times.

The rogue in that was also just a scumbag shithead with some great lines. It's not a great movie and was something that was truly made for it's core demographic at the time. Out of all three of those movies I'd vote to say its best of the worst.

I watched the 1st one and it wasn't great but I wasn't wanting to dig out my eyes with a spoon either.

The 3rd was too awful & awkward to sit through. I think I skipped the 2nd movie - if I didn't I don't remember it - but if you're saying its better than the first it might be worth adding to the 'nothing better to watch' list.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

So the movie did bomb. It made about the same amount of money opening weekend that Shazam 2 did. However, the media have been running defense for both WotC and the movie. Fucking typical of them.
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From what I hear the movie needs to make 350-400M to break even. With Mario coming out that isn't going to happen. If I was Hasbro I would be firing every danger hair and tranny who couldn't keep their mouth shut over woke politics and their hatred of white men. Their bridge burning caused Hasbro to lose a lot of money.

I know two people IRL who are boycotting the movie, and they're both doing it over the OGL fiasco. Far more people care about Hasbro scheming to destroy the games hobby than they do the stuff that danger hair people forced into easily ignored trash like Radiant Citadel and Candlekeep Mysteries.