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Adam Something might be a good enough lolcow for his own thread, but this thread is mostly about awful takes on urban planning (of which Adam Something has no short supply of, but other commie stuff is off-topic).

Nearly all urbanists tend to be believe in huge government as a solution. Meanwhile the greatest walkable cities and rails come out of Japan. Japans rails and railways are private. Its not unrelated. If anything, urbanism is a means to an end.
 

I lived in midtown Manhattan and Toronto for 25 years in very nice buildings and got to know precisely zero of my neighbours.

During COVID my wife finally relented to moving to a suburb and now we have regular guests, play dates, garage beers, barbecues etc. with the neighbourhood familes.

/r/fuckcars people are all socially stunted raised-by-technology retards who think sitting alone at the craft beer barcade playing with their phone is a vibrant social life.
 
The average "urbanist" cannot comprehend the fact the shit they want only works in a very high trust society. They don't even know what that is. They have no concept of why niggers and white trash would ruin all this shit in seconds, they cannot handle the idea of others not playing along to their little utopian plan. You can tell from how they NEVER mention urban decay, crime and poverty affecting any of their ideas. They just do not understand this shit at all.
it goes back to the "they want to live in college/disneyland" - and they don't recognize the absolute massive amounts of work those places do to keep undesirables out, you nig out at disneyland and your ass will be outside those massive gates faster than you can say "mickey mouse hates jews".

it's the same way you can say "look at these monks living communally in this monastery" and then think everyone can and should live that way, and it's totally workable.
Locks may be possible, but the time to lock it, coupled with the incentive for someone to break it because free copper, makes locks a poor option in the first place. The area itself needs to be low crime. And yes, the landwhale issue. A bike can support a fatty, I would see a scooter smoking at a 500 pound whale.
With a frame made from aluminum alloy, the V8 TurboAnt electric scooter is sturdy and has a maximum load capacity of 275 lb. With a higher weight limit, this electric scooter can reach and maintain top speed with this load weight. (link)
I lived in midtown Manhattan and Toronto for 25 years in very nice buildings and got to know precisely zero of my neighbours.
I've noticed that, too, every apartment I've lived in I have known ZERO other people (except the manager of one, who was a friend already). But in an area where you have even a modicum of a usable yard, you end up meeting other people, and if you actively WORK at it you meet everyone.

Of course, a huge part of that is kids, kids have no social filters and get to know everyone; DINKs never even have a need to talk to anyone.

Fun fact - when I lived in poorer areas, anything major like a power outage would cause EVERYONE to immediately come outside and start talking; that does happen a bit in the richer areas, but they're much rarer.
 
With a frame made from aluminum alloy, the V8 TurboAnt electric scooter is sturdy and has a maximum load capacity of 275 lb. With a higher weight limit, this electric scooter can reach and maintain top speed with this load weight. (link)
Alright structurly SOME can support the weight of a 400 pounder and maintain speed. Battery life is gonna be reduced compared to a 200lb person. And that turboant is just fucked.
 
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The average "urbanist" cannot comprehend the fact the shit they want only works in a very high trust society. They don't even know what that is. They have no concept of why niggers and white trash would ruin all this shit in seconds, they cannot handle the idea of others not playing along to their little utopian plan. You can tell from how they NEVER mention urban decay, crime and poverty affecting any of their ideas. They just do not understand this shit at all.
I would even take out white trash from your statement. If we suddenly implanted Rural Appalachia into NYC they likely would have the city fixed in a few years with some Redneck Ingenuity.
 
I would even take out white trash from your statement. If we suddenly implanted Rural Appalachia into NYC they likely would have the city fixed in a few years with some Redneck Ingenuity.
i'm not so certain, wiggers have their own redneck form of ruining shit (have you ever been to a trailer park) but they do at least have SOME common decency left, and don't (apparently) try to intentionally ruin OTHERs shit. There's a deep philosophical question around owning your OWN shit vs perpetually renting, especially as you get to hoarders and people who can't do life very well.
 
It's a bit off topic, but Adam Something's "100% wealth tax" isn't even particularly logical because it isn't as if most of the wealthy are sitting on literal dragons hoards of gold; the rich have corporations through which they operate. How does one tax Elon Musk the 100 billion or so needed to drop him down to that peg? Does the state just seize 99% of Tesla?

It's shit like this that really emphasizes just how little they understand what they say or how things work. Like, most billionaires deserve a slow and painful death but that's because most billionaires are shitty people, not because the concept of being a billionaire is bad. And if you want to decrease wealth inequality, it would be achieved better by preventing them from outsourcing or importing cheap migrant labor. No need for clearly destructive and retarded ideas.
 
- All of "Amsterdam" is not Amsterdam-Centrum which is where Jason lives and is often shilled. Amsterdam-Centrum is very expensive.
Digging back a few pages for this, but it caught my eye and I really want to dive in a little further as to how significant this point actually is.

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So this is Amsterdam, as we all probably know by now. Capital of the Netherlands, canals, etc etc etc. So how much of this city is actually the Centrum?

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Just that red part in the centre. And it is not a big area, either:

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The centrum is only eight square kilometers and almost entirely flat. No shit biking is easy there. Not to mention, Amsterdam itself has a land area of 219 square kilometers, meaning the centrum is only about 3 percent of the city's land area and about 10% of its population. For reference, here's the same statistics for Manhattan:

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Manhattan alone is seven times bigger than the Centrum, with nearly twenty times more people in it, and a much more erratic climate! You start to understand why this bike-centric infrastructure doesn't work so well in denser and larger areas. But is it really JUST the Centrum that's like this? Maybe the rest of Amsterdam looks the same way. Let's look at some other neighborhoods to see how bicycle-centric they are.

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Ack! What is this? Where's the bike lanes? Why aren't people out gallivanting in the streets? Don't they know they live in a dense urban walkable environment? Why are there cars parked everywhere??? Is that, God forbid, an SUV?!?!?!

Yes, even in the Netherlands, and even in Amsterdam, most people outside the city center have cars to get around. There are bikes and stuff too, obviously. Some neighborhoods even have dedicated bike paths. But, nevertheless, lots of people in the city own and regularly drive their cars, contrary to the way Jason describes the place. You can even see some of the issues with the way the city is planned:

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This roadway is in a subdivision of townhomes outside the city center. The road here is only a single lane, with some parking on the side. But then you have this MASSIVE 30 foot wide space between the road and the businesses over there, with a ~6 foot wide bike lane in the middle. Nobody's walking in this part of town and the space doesn't have any clear purpose. It's just this huge swath of paved area with, like, three benches on it. This could easily be a 2 lane road with parking, or some sort of garden or, well, anything else. Or maybe they're just waiting for the "induced demand" of a 30 foot wide sidewalk to kick in...

Of course, to the urbanist, this is all actually fine and okay. If it was parking that went unused, the urbanist brigade would throw a hissy fit. But because it's a sidewalk it's suddenly kosher. Despite the fact that it's objectively the same thing: Unused paved ground. Wasted space is wasted space, man. Just because it's being wasted in a way that favors your worldview, doesn't suddenly make it okay. The only difference here is that you can't park a car on it if need be.

The main takeaway here is how insanely narrow Jason's urbanist perspective is. He isn't shilling for a specific country, and he isn't even shilling for a city. He is shilling for a neighborhood that takes up less than 5% of Amsterdam's land area. To try and push this lifestyle as something applicable to all cities and towns in North America is downright ridiculous and I really think more people should be aware of this.

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Unrelated bonus image, but look at this teeny little car I found! Holy smokes that thing is small. If I took it apart I could probably fit the whole thing in my trunk. I'm guessing it's some sort of low speed vehicle specifically built to be used in city centres. No way in hell something that tiny passes Euro or NHTSA crash standards.
 
Unrelated bonus image, but look at this teeny little car I found! Holy smokes that thing is small. If I took it apart I could probably fit the whole thing in my trunk. I'm guessing it's some sort of low speed vehicle specifically built to be used in city centres. No way in hell something that tiny passes Euro or NHTSA crash standards.
From my experience those tiny cars aren't actually cars. They are scooters that just happen to look like cars. They basically have only fulfill safety standards for scooters rather than cars and so are slower but way cheaper and you can get drivers license for one younger.
 
Unrelated bonus image, but look at this teeny little car I found! Holy smokes that thing is small. If I took it apart I could probably fit the whole thing in my trunk. I'm guessing it's some sort of low speed vehicle specifically built to be used in city centres. No way in hell something that tiny passes Euro or NHTSA crash standards.
They’re not very safe:
 
It's a bit off topic, but Adam Something's "100% wealth tax" isn't even particularly logical because it isn't as if most of the wealthy are sitting on literal dragons hoards of gold; the rich have corporations through which they operate. How does one tax Elon Musk the 100 billion or so needed to drop him down to that peg? Does the state just seize 99% of Tesla?

It's shit like this that really emphasizes just how little they understand what they say or how things work. Like, most billionaires deserve a slow and painful death but that's because most billionaires are shitty people, not because the concept of being a billionaire is bad. And if you want to decrease wealth inequality, it would be achieved better by preventing them from outsourcing or importing cheap migrant labor. No need for clearly destructive and retarded ideas.
What I suspect it is, is that these leftists have the genetic memory of being involved in Pograms (kicking the Jews out and seizing their wealth) just that they don't even realize it.

There's a place in Oregon making 3 wheeled similar models.
Up to 75MPH.
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Range at 70MPH: 32 miles.
That looks like those Tuk-Tuks that Pajeets drive.

Makes sense they are first on the West Coast where the H1B Visa employees in tech are all Pajeets.
 
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They’re not very safe:
Holy moly you are not kidding. I was wondering how an electric car with a low center of gravity would tip over: A Citroen Ami weighs 1,069 pounds?!?!? Good God, man. That is nothing.

Just for reference:
2011 Smart Fortwo weighs 1808 pounds (~700 pounds heavier)
2015 Chevrolet Spark weighs 2246 pounds (~1400 pounds heavier)
2020 Honda Civic weighs 2762 pounds (~1700 pounds heavier)
1995 Chevrolet Caprice (similar to what I own) is 3995 pounds (~3000 pounds heavier!)

For people who don't know a whole lot about cars that is absurdly and dangerously light. And I didn't even mention trucks or SUVs, just regular passenger cars. Even a Geo Metro is 600 pounds lighter.
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Oh, also apparently the Ami is not legally defined as a passenger vehicle, so it in fact does not have to contend with European crash safety standards. It's basically a plastic and aluminum box with a drivetrain. I pity the fool who's inside of that thing when it gets sandwiched between two Sprinter vans.
 
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It's a bit off topic, but Adam Something's "100% wealth tax" isn't even particularly logical because it isn't as if most of the wealthy are sitting on literal dragons hoards of gold; the rich have corporations through which they operate. How does one tax Elon Musk the 100 billion or so needed to drop him down to that peg? Does the state just seize 99% of Tesla?

I'm sure that these people are dumb enough to not realize the difference between net worth and liquid assets.

The main takeaway here is how insanely narrow Jason's urbanist perspective is. He isn't shilling for a specific country, and he isn't even shilling for a city. He is shilling for a neighborhood that takes up less than 5% of Amsterdam's land area. To try and push this lifestyle as something applicable to all cities and towns in North America is downright ridiculous and I really think more people should be aware of this.

The real redpill is that there's no such as thing as a "walkable city". All of the big cities have a "walkable" neighborhood that is used by the rich and/or tourists but the rest of it has no such concessions.
 
The real redpill is that there's no such as thing as a "walkable city". All of the big cities have a "walkable" neighborhood that is used by the rich and/or tourists but the rest of it has no such concessions.
They often like to say that walkable neighborhoods are more in demand than suburbs because their rent prices are higher. That isn’t true; there are plenty of affordable walkable neighborhoods, but an urbanist would never live there because of who the residents are.

No one would argue that Westchester County being more expensive than the Bronx is proof that car-dependent areas are more in demand than than walkable areas, but that’s essentially the argument that they’re making in reverse.
 
They often like to say that walkable neighborhoods are more in demand than suburbs because their rent prices are higher.
It's also forgetting that developers are capitalists. If you could sell million dollar houses just by adding bike lanes and shit, you bet they would do it in a heartbeat.

They sure like to blame greed for everything, but they've given no thought to what that really means.
 
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