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There are tweets saying the Holiday special exists so Star Wars was always dumb and goofy, I mean come on dude lol
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From what I can tell the Ewok hate started a few years after ROTJ came out. A lot of fans completely ignored the metaphor the movie was going for with small unassuming creatures helping take down a bigger threat, and overexaggerated their role in the movie over the years to the point where they believe the Ewoks took down the entire Empire singlehandedly, when in reality they were getting their shit kicked in until they stole an AT-ST with CHEWBACCA'S help. Never mind the Rebels on Endor were only supposed to destroy the DS 2 shield so that Lando could go in with the X-Wings and blow it up. I will say the cutting between the Ewoks, Vader vs Luke, and the space battle did kill the flow of the lightsaber battle. The hate is totally overblown in my opinion.
They also seem to represent the idea that Star Wars turned into a kids movie made to sell toys by being teddy bears after the most dark and serious film of all time Empire Strikes Back sold 0 toys.
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There's two main reasons.
1: Some people initially saw the Ewoks as George's attempts at trying to appeal more to kids and be toyetic. However that wasn't his original intent, as he always wanted a primitive underdog to fight off the Empire since George was always a devout critic of the Vietnam War and originally made his films with the intent of portraying that kind of war in space, all the way back since 1974, and the Vietnamese stand-ins were originally going to be wookies, but costume difficulties and budget issues made that difficult along with George making wookiees and Chewbacca too tech savvy to be Vietnamese warrior stand-ins, so they resorted to midgets and puppets and then switched the name Wookiee around to Ewok. Several early designs of the ewoks were far uglier and goblin-like before they decided on the bears we have now, so they weren't always going to be fuzzy marketable teddy bears. The movie and its 1983 supplement even enforces this by explaining that Ewoks eat humans because of the Empire. The success of the movie and the popularity of ewoks among kids made George questionably capitalize on them and paved the way for the second reason below, however it was a false assumption that he originally made ewoks for merch.
2: Ewoks media and merch seemingly overtook Star Wars in the 80s with movies, shows, toys and even an Ewoks Ice Capades, resulting in mainline Star Wars content quietly taking the back seat with only a few short books and RPG supplements being the only non-Ewok content until the late 80's and 90's which was a pretty weak move on George's part, but it was clear he wanted to move on to more whimsical things as seen with Willow. There was an attempt made with the Droids cartoon, but it didn't prove as popular as the Ewoks one and the ratings dipped. So its not that they didn't try to make mainline SW content, its just that it didn't sell well enough compared to the Ewok merch. And it wasn't until the release of Heir to the Empire that they realized that mainline SW stories could still sell.
I personally don't hate them, but the ice capades and the second season of their cartoon was godawful. The first season though I remember was surprisingly good and helped to kickstart Paul Dini's career who went on to work on Batman TAS and other popular WB animated shows.
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People seriously overestimate the amount of 7+ foot tall people who exist.
I think George could asked to have a cartoon starring Luke made if he really wanted to, but he didn't. He thought Luke's story was over and was only interested in the story of Vader's fall. It's hard to believe Star Wars almost died in the late 80s.
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If they knew anything about Star Wars they could have used the Marvel Comics as an example instead.
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God I'd forgotten the Ewok Ice Capades.
Thanks for reminding me!Man, mid-to-late 80's Star Wars was weird back then. Best thing that came out of it was West End Game's RPG.
As for the Ewoks... fuck it, I like them. I think I went through a brief period in my teenage years when I was either neutral or slightly negative but whatever. I still have my vintage Wicket the Ewok plushie and the Kenner Ewok Village.
Or the Blackthrone Publishing Star Wars 3-D comic series.
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The Ewok backlash is something that you only really see from the Gen-Xers because they had to live through it, Millenials half-heartedly parrot it but most of their ire is on the prequels which in itself is likely a spillover from Gen-X sentiments. Zoomers generally don't give a shit about those things, but unfortunately we also have a propensity to have grown up watching Filoni Wars and since Filoni fans seem to be the plurality nowadays that's where the franchise is heading. Bit sad innit?
Star Wars fans from Gen X have to be the most bitter SW fans bar none. Gen X-ers and Millennials have been pissed off about ROTJ, Ewoks, the special editions, and the prequels for what, 30+ years now? We have the unaltered OT in fucking 4K available for FREE online and they're STILL pissed about the special editions. Why? Because they can't support the Mouse by getting some shitty Kathleen-approved Blu-Ray box set. They expected Star Wars to stay exactly the same as it was 30 years ago when they were kids. Millenials might also hate the prequels, but the tail end of them grew up in the late 90s when they were coming out so it's a mix of both.
The Gen Z-ers I know could give a fuck about Star Wars. It's so over exposed that they don't feel the same level of passion towards it and they see it as a story told over 6 movies, instead of 2 separate trilogies. The more passionate Zoomers are probably Filoni Wars fans. The sequels, movies made to create a new generation of fans, have been forgotten by this point. Thank God.
These are just my opinions though.
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The Ahsoka Wolf Pack Gang Bang movie is inevitable.
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Speaking as someone who became a Star Wars fan at the tail-end of the 'first generation', not all of us are bitter as fuck. I mean, yeah, I don't deny that I prefer my Original Trilogy to be unaltered and I have mixed feelings over the Prequel Trilogy but I'm not raging over that. I don't need Disney to release the OT unedited because I have the 4K77, 4K80 Beta, and 4K83 releases downloaded. I also don't trust Disney to properly remaster the OT, either. I'd rather have some hardcore, incredibly anal super-fan do it so I know I'm going to get something correct.
As for the Prequel Trilogy? Not a huge fan of them but holy shit was the Expanded Universe material surrounding them hitting it out the park. Excluding the horrible 2008 The Clone Wars, of course. You got things like Darth Plagueis, the Dark Horse Star Wars ongoing (later known as Star Wars Republic)*, various excellent video games, and the list goes on.
As for the Prequel Trilogy? Not a huge fan of them but holy shit was the Expanded Universe material surrounding them hitting it out the park. Excluding the horrible 2008 The Clone Wars, of course. You got things like Darth Plagueis, the Dark Horse Star Wars ongoing (later known as Star Wars Republic)*, various excellent video games, and the list goes on.
Here's a random factoid for those who might not know or cared to pay attention. Star Wars Republic (formerly known as Star Wars, or as I would like to call it The-Series-That-Essentially-Lead-To-The-Cancellation-Of-My-Favorite-Rogue Squadron-Ongoing-Comic) 'ended' after 83 issues and 'replaced' with Star Wars Dark Times. But if you got down to it, not really. Because within each issue of Dark Times, at the very front of each issue where the copyright notice was located... was the fact that Dark Times continued Republic's numbering. Therefore Dark Times #1 was really just Star Wars Republic #84. When Dark Times ended on #32, it was Republic ending on #115... which means it beat Marvel Star Wars' number of 107 main issues (along with its three annuals making it 110 and also Return of the Jedi mini-series which I won't include into the count). I've always suspected Randy Stradley (Dark Horse editor and writer, not to mention secret writer of Dark Times under his Mick Harrison pseudo) and Mike Richardson (owner and President of Dark Horse) deliberately did that just so that would happen.
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Filoni is the closest thing to a golden child they have because the sheep haven't realized that he's a hack just yet. Same with Jon Favreau. They're the only guys who have been allowed to make some decent Star Wars in the last 10 years, Lucasfilm has been planning to make them the kings of the franchise for a while now.
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Guys...it's happening. Jedi Master Rey, in a post-TROS Sequel.
Just for context, this was the film that Damon Lindelof bailed from, and they had to hastily change writers last minute before this announcement...meaning that, already, the ST Production Curse is happening all over again, tethered to the same cast of characters.
...Remember how Filoni and Favreau were supposedly going to retcon the Sequel Trilogy?
Get ready for weeks and weeks and weeks of cope from FiloniFags everywhere.
...Remember how Filoni and Favreau were supposedly going to retcon the Sequel Trilogy?
Get ready for weeks and weeks and weeks of cope from FiloniFags everywhere.
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Surprised they had the balls to move forward for once instead of sideways or backwards.
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It's for real. Variety. (A) A few of key bits:
- Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy (“Ms. Marvel”) will direct from a script by Steven Knight (“Peaky Blinders”). The film follows the events of “Rise of Skywalker,” and will focus on Rey as she builds a new Jedi Order.
- The project marks several major milestones for the franchise: Obaid-Chinoy is the first woman and the first person of color to direct a “Star Wars” movie. The Pakistani filmmaker won two Academy Awards for documentary short .... she most recently directed two episodes of “Ms. Marvel” for Disney+.
- Getting to this point has been bumpier than successfully navigating an asteroid field for Lucasfilm. Knight stepped in to write the film after the original screenwriters, Damon Lindelof (HBO’s “Watchmen”) and Justin Britt-Gibson (“Counterpart”), left the project in February — the latest example of high profile creatives departing a “Star Wars” feature project months (or even years) after their involvement was first reported.
Smells like Disney and LFL are cooking up another winner!
Edit: there's more: Feige's and Jenkins' films are shelved, Waititi's and Levy's are still in development. But Levy's would be after he's done with Deadpool 3 and some Netflix shit. Sure, it's still "active".
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Wasn't Taika's film meant to be about the origins of the Jedi? How does that work now with the the new guy covering that topic.
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It's rainy, cold, the food isn't good, and apparently it is also ridiculously expensive. I'm loathe to think where these people come from that that sounds preferable.
I'm going to get hate, but Rebels is probably the best of the worst when talking about Filoni's contributions to Star Wars. If he is going to be making more, might as well be that?
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Rebels has its fair share of issues, but then again what modern Star Wars project doesn't. I thought Rosario did a decent job in Mando S2, hopefully there'll be more of that.
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I’m intrigued by this new movie, particularly because of the worldbuilding, or rather, the inevitable lack of worldbuilding. The audience is going to want to know what happened in the time since Rise of Skywalker.
Is there a New New Republic? What happened to the First Order? Where are all of the characters from the Sequels?
And Disney will be lazy and answer none of these questions. I could see them not even change a damn thing and have the First Order somehow in charge of the galaxy and the Resistance still be the underdog.
Oh and the villain. I’ll say that it’s a Knight of Ren that survived. Because you know that Disney can’t come up with anything original.
This is going to be a glorious shitshow!
Is there a New New Republic? What happened to the First Order? Where are all of the characters from the Sequels?
And Disney will be lazy and answer none of these questions. I could see them not even change a damn thing and have the First Order somehow in charge of the galaxy and the Resistance still be the underdog.
Oh and the villain. I’ll say that it’s a Knight of Ren that survived. Because you know that Disney can’t come up with anything original.
This is going to be a glorious shitshow!
I guess they didn't understand the main reason why the sequels made money was because of the LEGACY characters, NOT the new ones. Nobody gives a shit about Rey. The only character that got any reaction out of people was the faggot Kylo Ren. She had 3 entire movies to become a character the fans cared about and she failed. Kennedyfilm had no idea what she was supposed to be so they made her everything at the same time. Will they get John and Oscar back? Boyega went back and fourth saying he'd do another one, then shat on Lucasfilm for making him a token negro comedy relief and a white woman's sidekick. Issac said he'd only do another SW movie if he needed a new house, and he seems busy with other things.
Again, I'm not gonna believe this movie is happening until they start shooting it. Remember when they brought Lord and Miller to Celebration then shitcanned then for Opie?