To be fair, both Paramount and Disney are completely cutthroat, villainous big name companies, except Paramount is less woke than Disney by comparison, which isn't saying much.
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I liked how they actually brought him back for a scene in that Nickelodeon cartoon to yell at Janeway.
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Still what they did to Star Trek pisses me off because at some point I actually cared about Star Trek.
I never really cared much about Soy Wars. So it didn't piss me off much when it got raped.
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Unpopular opinion, but the s31 did what was necessary at least at the time. The Dominion had repeatedly demonstrated it was intent on conquest and subjugation(and genocide). The entire system worked by the Founders ordering the Vorta who commanded the Jem'hadar, take out the head and the rest would collapse.
Odo was able to convince the Female changeling to surrender on the basis of his own forged relationships, but the Federation couldn't have plausibly known that was possible or the Dominion would accept it.
Important to remember the Dominion was never defeated on its home territory, the entire war was against an expeditionary force and local allies and auxiliaries. For such a dangerous enemy, any government would take the sort of action S31 did.
Odo was able to convince the Female changeling to surrender on the basis of his own forged relationships, but the Federation couldn't have plausibly known that was possible or the Dominion would accept it.
Important to remember the Dominion was never defeated on its home territory, the entire war was against an expeditionary force and local allies and auxiliaries. For such a dangerous enemy, any government would take the sort of action S31 did.
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Of course he would. Great Bird was upper midwest protestant Christian. Fine people, but strong normalcy biases and assorted blindspots cause them to cuck hard in a modern setting where extreme passive-aggressive tendencies historically solve most social problems.
You're not gay or whatever for liking TNG as long as you maintain an additional buffer between you and the TNG. You technically didn't touch it with that phone footage so I'm pretty sure you're good.
Firm but fair. Jellico was firm but fair. No one knows what that truly is until they experience it and it shapes them, then it just seems obviously incredibly special, like they're part of a secret club. I'm pretty sure if you never get it you go through life with weird resentment that looks like daddy issues. I think those two Jew fags that ran Game of Thrones hated the character of Stannis Baratheon for this reason. It seemed like the TNG runners "got" Jellico, but the episode wasn't about him so he didn't get the exploration of his character that he should have gotten. Once you get "firm-but-fair", the crew all look like a bunch of assholes, though. Like they never played sports or had a drill instructor or got taught by some ballbuster using the Socratic method.
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yeah legit I won't bother to watch more than that but a clip of that sounds like it could make me smile
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I like a comment (made here or somewhere else) saying that showing Jellico's children's pictures was foreshadowing of him being able to handle kids... which is what Riker became in that episode and ended up basically being grounded in his room. I wonder if Frakes read that script and realised he was the baddy in the situation.
I think you could say that Jellico could have approached the crew better, but also we can't forget that they are still the military. Even military scientists have to follow orders, even if the protocols are a bit loose. It's not like the Enterprise are private explorers, they are exploring under a mission set by Starfleet.
Jellico's a complex character. I like him and I'm glad he wasn't destroyed by current Trek. A character like him couldn't exist in most media today because people are unable to understand the nuance of a good person having a strong personality or simply being an ass. You either are good, or bad, and if you have negative traits, you're the antagonist or the antihero. You can't just be a nasty person without people theorizing that you're perhaps a secret spy. Jellico wasn't even that much of a jerk, tbh. Like you say, firm, but firmness now is associated with white supremacy, so there.
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I think Shaw is what Jellico would be if he was written today. Theoretically a correct jerk, but because he's sidelined, we don't see how his character develops. In old Trek, Shaw would be the antagonist in a role reversal of the evil admiral trope, seeing as how Picard is now the admiral pursuing his personal agenda at the expense of the Captain's.
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I have to agree. The Founders showed time and again that they were basically Nazis on steroids. At least one planet we know they tried to genocide, and nearly succeeded. And they say their history stretches back 2,000 years, how many species have they completely murdered in that time?
Aside from Odo every Changeling we've gotten to know any bit of their personality seem to hate solids. They're a collective that constantly reinforces itself, they themselves admit there's no dissent in the Link. So we can conclude that every one of them has the same sort of view on solids that the Female Changeling did; which is to say viewing them as utterly inferior and completely expendable.
They also altered or uplifted 2 species into complete subservience, something I also think we can agree is pretty fucked up.
All in all, yeah, I would have been thinking the same thing Section 31 was. Genocide these fucks, in retribution to all the times they've done it to others, and to prevent them from ever doing it again.
And no, I wouldn't trust Odo to be able to change their minds. It's just as if not more likely they brainwash him into hating solids instead considering he'd be a drop going against an ocean.
And given that, as you pointed out, their empire remains pretty intact, it actually does make sense to brink them back in some capacity, even as a big bad. Just sucks it has to be in Picard.
I'd have preferred a series in the original TNG/DS9/VOY style set maybe 20 years after the Dominion War. Show how being on the receiving end of not 1 but 2 wars of aggression, first by the Borg then by the Dominion, has changed Starfleet and the Federation. Perhaps they've become more militarized. A new branch of Starfleet, called Starfleet Tactical, has been established to serve as a dedicated military presence of the UFP. Their standard vessel being the Defiant class, though it's been through several design iterations by this point, would be a nice touch.
And fuck these season spanning plotlines, man. They don't even manage to do them as well as the older Star Trek did. Even in DS9 when we had the Dominion War shit going on heavy the writers knew enough to not make it the sole focus of the show. We'd constantly step away to explore other shit going on. Returning to the Mirror Universe, Ferengi politics, Garak's past, Bashir being a genetically engineered autist, O'Brien's eternal suffering, and yes even the old Trek standby of encountering weird alien shit going on like Tosk and the hunters.
What the fuck sort of idiot gets a hold of something like Star Trek and decides to limit themselves so badly by focusing on a single season spanning plotline? It's just mind boggling.
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Maybe I should play Star Trek: Online to see if that's what they do. It seems logical to me that would be what happened, but I don't actually know.
I consider it proof that Matalas did not have as big of an influence people say he had. It's still a show that effectively has Elnor (Worf) and Soji (Jack) in it. Raffi at least gets the benefit of not doing that many drugs this time around. That, and characters acting at "Weapons at Maximum!" So, I wouldn't exactly say that Kurtzman and his cadre are stealing credit even though people think they are. Matalas probably had about as much (most likely less) influence as Nimoy did during III; got to have some directorial and production decisions, but still had to strictly conform to the standards his superiors set.
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Birthright part 1 is great and has not only James Cromwell in his best Trek role, but the damn crow that just reappeared in Picard season 3. Sad that part two only had the Worf stuff and forgot about Data.
Also I just saw the Voyager episode Living Witness. Awesome Trek about racism, war crimes, etc, with some actual scifi to boot. The Voyager Museum recreation reminded me too much of modern evil-Starfleet Trek. Sisko could barely hold it together when one Romulan asshole died for his war. Not sure he'd be ok with the idea of "genocide is ok when we do it," even if he did firebomb some Maquis planet trying to capture Eddington (the details elude me at the moment.)
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Gene Roddenberry invented it to sell medallions through Lincoln Enterprises. It doesn't work with the monocultural Vulcans, but he thought if people saw Spock wearing it they'd buy it. And I don't know if Roddenberry, Theiss, or the copywriter came up with this, but supposedly it symbolizes fucking.
Wasn't he was an atheist Californian born in Texas?
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Fun fact: video toaster is the very first successful personal video editing software. it's also the very thing that revolutionized home video production.
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An idiot who can't write. Ten episodes mean ten different storylines. You think the average writer now has any capacity of doing that?
Bird was born within the protestant family.
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If it helps, this is the timeline where Worf didn't have a birthday party.