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[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

A good enough dining room would FIX San Francisco I’m telling you!

Thats why millions of illegals should be allowed to enter the USA, to get the ultimate food truck that will increase the happiness stat.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Most of Cities Skylines' mechanics is just straight copying of SimCity's abstractions and simplifications without understanding or questioning why they're done that way or how they actually work, and then made it even stupider by combining theme parks and regular parks and thinking they have the same effect. (Living next to a theme park IRL must be an absolute nightmare in terms of noise and light pollution, and Walt Disney was right to build his parks in the middle of nowhere).

Tons of Pakistanis and Indians live in the suburbs of Vaughan right next to Canada's Wonderland themepark.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Tons of Pakistanis and Indians live in the suburbs of Vaughan right next to Canada's Wonderland themepark.

Eventually development outpaces these sorts of things, that's why you can go out in Anaheim in Google Maps and spin around and see ordinary houses in one shot and the massive Mickey & Friends Parking Garage in a different direction, looming above the wall that surrounds the park, which is even closer to Disneyland than the homes in Vaughan are. (I don't know the demographics of that area, but they don't look like shit...probably used as rentals these days)

 

[Return of the Freaker]

It's also forgetting that developers are capitalists. If you could sell million dollar houses just by adding bike lanes and shit, you bet they would do it in a heartbeat.

They sure like to blame greed for everything, but they've given no thought to what that really means.

Capitalists just do things because they're evil. Didn't you watch Captain Planet?

 

[TheGuntinator]

The city I live in has bike lanes for the fags who want to do that. I don’t see why more cities don’t just adopt bike lanes. I rarely experience any traffic because of it. Win-win for everyone.

I wouldn't ride my bike on a road unless there's a curb separating us. Sidewalk riders unite.

You seriously equate Electricity and the Internet to owning a car? Maybe if you're American you need a car for you to live properly, I understand that since cities were demolished to make it exclusively car dependent. What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be necessary to own a vehicle. It's an extra burden. You should be able to have reliable alternatives to get where you need to go. Walking, biking, trains, or whatever else could save an individual from the burden and upkeep of owning a vehicle.

I'm not biking around with 200lbs of construction tools you faggot. I'm not gonna take materials onto a train and I'm sure as fuck not walking around to every jobsite that comes up carrying this shit either. You can rely on whatever you want going to your bugman podjob, but don't think you know better than the people who actually have shit to carry how to carry their shit. This is the biggest thing I hate about this conversation in general, it just assumes everyone has nothing to carry to work other than their lunch.

Walking is the one of the things that provides you with the most freedom from the government

And you have a lot of experience walking away from a vehicle hunting you, right? Do you think the peasant 10,000,000 years ago felt free when he got rode up on by some guy with a horse and a sword? Like he could escape if he tried? Maybe you can walk your dumb ass off the grid.

Edit: don't care if I'm late this site has been around over a decade and there are plenty of threads to discover from ancient times still worth posting in. Can't afford to keep track of every thread as it's going all the time.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It abuses the fact that the simulation doesn’t check cost when routing, and sims don’t simulate money, and they get a happy thought from entering a park, which can have an entry fee.

It’s as realistic a way to build cities as using dwarf fortress for mental hospital design. A good enough dining room would FIX San Francisco I’m telling you!

As a game it sounds fine, but basing your entire ideology off of a Maxis game is sheer lunacy

Tons of Pakistanis and Indians live in the suburbs of Vaughan right next to Canada's Wonderland themepark.

Do you think they drive big SUV's like Jason hates? Big gas guzzlers? Quite a conundrum!

Note: Null said he might do a fuckcars segment on Gumroad, so if he does make sure to upload it here!

 

[JJLiautaud]

It’s as realistic a way to build cities as using dwarf fortress for mental hospital design. A good enough dining room would FIX San Francisco I’m telling you!

I for one would be quite pleased if my dining room had a masterwork engraving of the artist porking my wife or at least net neutral with the raw mushroom I'm gnawing on.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

As a game it sounds fine, but basing your entire ideology off of a Maxis game is sheer lunacy

Cities Skylines is made by Paradox Interactive and is even less realistic than SimCity is (for however much that's worth).

As a game it's a terrible idea because there's a massive difference between theme parks and real parks (both are part of the "Parkside" DLC), which I elaborated on a few posts back, and I'd be pissed if a simulation game made in the late 2010s was too dumb to distinguish between it.

That's why I don't play Cities Skylines and always advocate on what a shitty game it is. But even if the game (or a similar title, should one exist) is good, there's going to be all sorts of little simplifications and abstractions that aren't going to make sense when re-applied to reality.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Cities Skylines is made by Paradox Interactive and is even less realistic than SimCity is (for however much that's worth).

As a game it's a terrible idea because there's a massive difference between theme parks and real parks (both are part of the "Parkside" DLC), which I elaborated on a few posts back, and I'd be pissed if a simulation game made in the late 2010s was too dumb to distinguish between it.

That's why I don't play Cities Skylines and always advocate on what a shitty game it is. But even if the game (or a similar title, should one exist) is good, there's going to be all sorts of little simplifications and abstractions that aren't going to make sense when re-applied to reality.

Either way, the dumbing down of parks is silly. Your local park doesn't have a toll, National parks sometimes, but either way, paying to see nature in the middle of a city is nuts. It's a patch of grass with a playground! I can't camp there lol, the best you get is having a birthday party at a city park. City games seem interesting, but then you have the Bugmen thinking they'll translate perfectly to real life

 

[quaawaa]

Either way, the dumbing down of parks is silly. Your local park doesn't have a toll, National parks sometimes, but either way, paying to see nature in the middle of a city is nuts. It's a patch of grass with a playground! I can't camp there lol, the best you get is having a birthday party at a city park. City games seem interesting, but then you have the Bugmen thinking they'll translate perfectly to real life

Some urban parks have tolls like botanical gardens and zoos.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Some urban parks have tolls like botanical gardens and zoos.

There are exceptions, but when I think park, I think a pavilion, a playground, some rocks, and lots of grass. That's the most common type

 

[Barbigny2.0]

The bourgeoisie are safely shielded by the hum of their central air, their petite cousins by the roar of their window units.

"Petite Bourgeoisie," the favorite snarl term of the leftist inteligentsia and nomenklatura. It sure is nice being able to categorize people you dislike without the dissonance of violating your stated convictions, or at least to show your peers how, despite your upbringing, you're not one of those people. Ah, but I suppose that as a scientific definition based in Marxian analysis it's really neither of those things. "Lumpenproletariat" is another good one.

 

[LaxerBRO]

"Petite Bourgeoisie," the favorite snarl term of the leftist inteligentsia and nomenklatura. It sure is nice being able to categorize people you dislike without the dissonance of violating your stated convictions, or at least to show your peers how, despite your upbringing, you're not one of those people. Ah, but I suppose that as a scientific definition based in Marxian analysis it's really neither of those things. "Lumpenproletariat" is another good one.

I thought they needed the middle class to join in their struggle against the 1%?

I mean a lot of the agit prop is appealing to how the corporation are destroying the middle class and such.

 

[Midwit]

"Petite Bourgeoisie" inteligentsia nomenklatura Marxian analysis "Lumpenproletariat"

agit prop

Leftoid terminology is so fucking gay, I want to go back to having Burghers and Yeomen living under the Gentry.

 

[Barbigny2.0]

I thought they needed the middle class to join in their struggle against the 1%?

I mean a lot of the agit prop is appealing to how the corporation are destroying the middle class and such.

"Petite Bourgeoisie" is a term that is more or less historically analogous to "small business owner" as applied by people in the arts and academia, specifically to those who are less wealthy than the "Haute Bourgeoisie" to whom they are preoccupied with emulating. Think landed peasants/kulaks vs. factory owners. Many left-wing writers have devoted multiple works to the perceived flaws of the Petite Bourgeoisie as a supposedly homogeneous class. To Oscar Wilde, it was for their moral and spiritual vapidity. To Bertolt Brecht, it was for their sole culpability in the rise of Nazism.

Spoiler: Digression

Despite forming a large part of their early core, the bulk of Nazi support before 1932 would ultimately be compromised of what otherwise would be regarded by most Marxists as industrial proletariat. I could go on about other reasons why this isn't entirely accurate, but the point is that it was a not-uncommon way for communists at the time to explain away Nazism in light of theoretical shortcomings in Marxism.

More recently, authors like Don DeLillo have used the trope of Petite Bourgeois sensibilities as part of a broader satire of suburbia, car ownership being another component. Though I hesitate to trace one literary, philosophical or sociological lineage as underpinning all rhetoric surrounding the suburbs that we see today, it's still interesting to observe this same condescending tone reoccur time and time again. Personally I think it's because of a shared trait between most class analyses of this sort; they're generalizable enough to be used for whatever the writer requires, whether that be shoring up a centrally flawed sociological or economic theory or just as a fashionable way of browbeating as many people as possible in one go. Hell, I used to be quite enamored with the notion of a "Professional Managerial Class" until I realized that it too does not hold up on closer examination. What you usually have is a loose collection of smaller and often mutually contradictory groups that aren't so much apodictically contingent on some material or historical methodology, but instead are geographically or culturally distinct with some superficial similarities.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Another thing these faggots always forget is Trucks. Nit SUV's or Pickups, real Trucks. Right now I'm hauling almost 20 tons of frozen meat on a 500 mile run. How exactly do they expect to do that on bikes, or busses? O.K. fag, you get your wish, Stronk Towns, 15 minutes cities, you can walk to work in 15 minutes and your grocery store is on the way. Now how the fuck does the food get to the grocery store? Will there be ranches and farms inside the 15 minute city in your car-free utiopia?

 

[DavidS877]

Another thing these faggots always forget is Trucks. Nit SUV's or Pickups, real Trucks. Right now I'm hauling almost 20 tons of frozen meat on a 500 mile run. How exactly do they expect to do that on bikes, or busses? O.K. fag, you get your wish, Stronk Towns, 15 minutes cities, you can walk to work in 15 minutes and your grocery store is on the way. Now how the fuck does the food get to the grocery store? Will there be ranches and farms inside the 15 minute city in your car-free utiopia?

Trains, of course. What do you mean they don't go everywhere? Just build one more track.

Yes, they're all fucking morons, I think we all agree on that point.

 

[Fathomless Eminence]

Capitalists just do things because they're evil. Didn't you watch Captain Planet?

The only reason I work is to put money inside big canvas bags with giant green dollar signs painted on them which I then burn as a sacrifice to Blackrock Investments, who rewards my faith by invoking Satan's power to destroy ozone molecules in an amount equal to one molecule for every cent of my grand offering. Luv Fink, 'ate the atmo, simple as.

 

[Hal]

New Breadtuber Faggot Xanderhal video just dropped about how he hates Cars. A 23 year old who works from YT and doesn't own a car nor who likely never even got his license (because he prefers his Mother or Methhead ex girlfriend driving him around.

He's never had a original thought in his life so this isn't a very shocking take from him

Oh lord, is this one of those fucking guys who just reposts stream clips as "content" instead of making actual videos? I already don't like this dude.

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Man what kinda weak excuse is that? Half of this thread is probably autistic and we all own cars. Get over it you pussy.

19, still in high school and probably hasn't ever had a job either, willing to bet it's just laziness and his mom has nothing to do with it

 

[S.C.U.D.]

Cities Skylines is made by Paradox Interactive and is even less realistic than SimCity is (for however much that's worth).

As a game it's a terrible idea because there's a massive difference between theme parks and real parks (both are part of the "Parkside" DLC), which I elaborated on a few posts back, and I'd be pissed if a simulation game made in the late 2010s was too dumb to distinguish between it.

That's why I don't play Cities Skylines and always advocate on what a shitty game it is. But even if the game (or a similar title, should one exist) is good, there's going to be all sorts of little simplifications and abstractions that aren't going to make sense when re-applied to reality.

Could be worse, they could get their urban planning ideas from SimCity 3000 where literal castles eliminate all pollution and crime and skyrocket property values.