Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[jspit2.0]

@Mississippi Motorboater

I'm unable to properly quote you. From top to bottom...

Now, as with anything from Lucas, it's important not to take everything he says as gospel...because he makes contradictory and inconsistent statements a lot (the number of times he's revised the actual planning of the OT, and how many films the saga was initially supposed to be, is beyond count). But this quote, I'll reinforce again, is from around TCW Season 4, and with the series initially planned to have 8 seasons at least (before a certain Disney purchase put those plans to rest). You don't have to take it as definitive proof of anything, but after the first three seasons (where Lucas' influence can be felt the strongest),

So you admit George says allot of shit is an unreliable source?

All media, from books to comics to video games fell under this umbrella. The shows, both made and unmade, were not an exception. It's partially why they were assigned the "T" status on the canon ranking by the licensing division.Part of the canon, but not on the same level of Lucas' saga.

And that's the problem. George's ego.

"hey fans. Buy this project. It's not by me and therefore not worth as much but su...."

"Wow, this Thrawn guy is cool. Woo, did you read that tear jerker comic by Kevin J. Anderson?"


Cue the seething. The minute the licensed product became as good or better than his stuff, I think his ego was wounded and he carried some resentment.

George notoriously didn't care for other authors or creators works regarding the EU but undoubtedly in discussions with Disney over the purchase of the IP TCW was to be considered canon.

Lucas did not consider the EU his storyline or one that he was beholden to, but to say he "didn't care" implies he had no involvement or was simply dismissive of it as licensed material that had zero importance to the brand. And that simply isn't true.

From a certain point of view? I mean, you try to diminish George's role in Filoni Wars but then go on to describe Lucas' role in the EU which was more removed?

He was very open and personally involved with the EU authors, largely because he respected them as fellow creatives. Regardless of whether or not he saw their works as legitimate extensions of his universe, he recognized their importance for maintaining the image of quality for the brand, and the creative fruit that could be yielded by others playing around in his personal narrative sandbox.

Not because I say he was involved, because the authors said he was involved:

And they had zero incentive to play ball? Tim Zahn has shown he'll simp for the pay check and this is George Lucas we're talking about. Not to say that Lucas had zero involvement.

The story has consistently been Lucas had a conversation with Zahn before the Heir trilogy as that was the big step forward for the EU.

This doesn't establish much if any involvement, and is anecdotal relying of all people Pablo Hidalgo.

He did a checklist...not even a conversation.

This is probably the most involvement, other than Zahn's trilogy, he had. He basically approved Anderson nixing Madine and he liked the Dathomir witch idea? Is Filoni Wars respectful to the Dathomir Witch concept? I don't think so personally.

You might write this off as the authors simply promoting their work and assuring fans that Lucas had some involvement in what they were crafting...but that's precisely what Filoni does in interviews to justify any creative decision he makes....despite his claims never being substantiated from Lucas' mouth even once.

Uh, no. Filoni initially portrayed himself as George's unofficial protege, then shifted to defining himself as a close collaborator, finally he has begun to really acknowledge his own agency. But he has consistently implied a close working relationship; which you say is false.

None of these EU authors state anything like that. They don't contradict George Lucas' take because he's the boss. But even assuming they are being honest; he answered five questions on a questionnaire for most of the 90s best EU content, had a brief phone convo where his primary input was he didn't want Joruus to be a clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi, and okayed the comics (apparently what he liked of the EU) crowd's with one to decisions.

If it's not illegitimate when Filoni does it, it's not magically less legitimate when all these other authors do as well. Again, I don't say this to vilify anyone who likes TCW, or appreciates Lucas' passing involvement in that series.

George was intimately involved, regardless of if you like it or not, in the initial design of that series. No one is arguing his influence lessens as time goes on. But George deserves all the blame. All the blame for Dave Filoni who flattered his ego. All the blame for not being able to handle that someone did Star Wars better than him.

But if you're going to hand TCW the crown of legitimacy based on quotes from Filoni regarding how "intimately involved" Lucas was on the show, then you need to be consistent in regards to that same rhetoric coming from creators involved elsewhere in the company's various media divisions.

George made the Holiday Special and Attack of the Clones.

Not only this but he went to check on Filoni on the mandalorian set and took pics with baby yoda

Okay, I was willing to give the previous points raised some benefit of the doubt, but using this as some kind talking point and proof of Lucas' stamp of approval is actually hilarious, because he's been invited to the sets of productions multiple times, well before the Mandalorian even aired.

He actually went and he had no trouble remaining removed and silent from the Sequels. I have no love of Mando.

I think Filoni deserves the hate but people in this thread act like he's Satan twisting the words of God into a bastardization.

I also think Genndy wars gets too much praise.

....ah.

Now, everything's starting to make sense about your post. Suddenly, I'm not all that surprised.

Filoni sucks, George is human.

 

[Miller]

Mando lost his balls and went full Jon Snow in the latest episode. Imagine going from a bounty hunter who shoots first to "muh queen". What a shame.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

George made the Holiday Special and Attack of the Clones.

iirc George didn't have a lot to do with Holiday, it was mostly this one guy who did a lot of TV specials like the Elvis concerts
I caught a career retrospective about him on NPR one time, when they brought up "lol also Star Wars Holiday Special" he was like "that was the worst pile of crap I ever made"

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Well, I'm pretty sure I downloaded them off usenet then got the dvd (which was labeled vol 1 implying there would be more ;_; )
And even then given how the nondynamic nature of ep 1's action was still very fresh in mind, constant over the top kinetic visuals were a very welcome thing even if it gets towards a constant nonstop thrash metal marathon

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[CaptainAutism69]

Minigun guy literally merked all of the super stormtroopers solo. If the mangos didn't run away like pussies it would have been game over for the empire.

 

[Gondolindrim]

After watching Primal and going back to Genndy Wars, I came to the conclusion he gets way too much credit for not having his characters speak much or at all. The animation is beautiful, yeah, but overall both are barebones. It gives the inkling of something greater with a lot of things up for interpretation. Except having a lot up for interpretation doesn't give much when there's not much foundation to work from. Samurai Jack, the original seasons, was his best work because it had this foundation for the mostly quiet episodes to go off of. You can impart a lot of story and character without words, yeah, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use any.

Genndy Wars' biggest flaw though was being almost entirely non-stop action scenes. I know it's a war and a cartoon intended for kids, but there's not much context to go off of. Really cool shit to look at yeah. Except that's almost all of it. Anakin's vision and the tribal stuff was really nice though.

I think the greatest triumph of Genndy War's is that it was able to convey Anakin's journey to the dark side and the Galaxies march toward the events of Revenge of the Sith with minimal dialogue. Is it barebones? Absolutely, but that's what we had all those comics and books for: To flesh shit out. Much better than now where TCW is basically the bible and no one's allowed to touch the era besides Dave Filoni.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

@jspit2.0

So you admit George says allot of shit is an unreliable source?

Lucas has always been a dubious source when it comes to reliable information, largely due to the fact that he's fairly consistent in some things, and all over the place in others. Where his involvement in the narrative process in TCW is concerned, the bulk of what we know comes from behind-the-scenes featurettes, and various interviews courtesy of Star Wars Insider.

And if you're read/watched both, a lot of it suggests that Lucas passed plenty of narrative mandates to Filoni and Gilroy, but the bulk of his interest was in the technical advances being made by LucasFilm's animation department (catering to his interests as an experimental filmmaker). That aspect, echoed by various different animators involved in the process, is if nothing else very consistent across interviews.

But you're welcome to ingest the content and consistency of those interviews as you wish.

And that's the problem. George's ego.

"hey fans. Buy this project. It's not by me and therefore not worth as much but su...."

"Wow, this Thrawn guy is cool. Woo, did you read that tear jerker comic by Kevin J. Anderson?"


Cue the seething. The minute the licensed product became as good or better than his stuff, I think his ego was wounded and he carried some resentment.

Well, what's important to remember is that the T-Canon designator was not willed into existence by Lucas' own deliberation, or even something that existed during the early seasons of TCW's release.

According to Leland Chee, the T-Canon designator was requested on behalf of the showrunners, and something that the Licensing division put into effect. There are some rumors that Filoni himself requested it to place the show above the EU materials, and thus achieve some creative privileges that the lower tiers of canon could not enjoy, but those rumors remain unsubstantiated. To be honest, I'm not even sure if Lucas himself was even aware of the canon tiers--from the impression I get from interviews and his actions towards authors, canon seems to be divided into two categories: "My films, and everything else". The only reason both TCW and the various EU materials being made received mandates was because he wanted synergy across the brand, and quality on all facets of media. This can be seen his mandate not to use Dark Jedi or Sith as the main threat in the New Jedi Order novels because of him believing it was too soon for their return after Return of the Jedi, and his insistence at changing a vibroblade to the Darksaber in TCW. He gets really autistic about these kinds of things in lower-tier canon media, not because he considers them true extensions of his universe, but because he wants the universe to make sense and be consistent to a wider viewing audience. Whether or not you or I consider that a good approach is a different matter entirely.

Funnily enough, TCW's breaks from the existing Clone Wars Multimedia project resulted in Chee and the other Holocron Keepers getting swarmed by fans messaging them about inconsistencies. In the beginning, Chee and the others very loudly proclaimed that TCW did in fact exist in tandem with the Multimedia project, and that they were going to iron out the inconsistencies in upcoming books and comics (Karen Traviss notably tried to tie both Clone Wars projects together in media like No Prisoners and the TCW Movie novelization). But as time went on, and TCW's became irreconcilable, such assurances disappeared and the Holocron Keepers seemingly all but gave up.

Right around the time the T-Canon signifier materialized, interestingly enough.

From a certain point of view? I mean, you try to diminish George's role in Filoni Wars but then go on to describe Lucas' role in the EU which was more removed?

I'm not trying to diminish or elevate his involvement in either project. To the contrary, I think his role in both was largely the same, as an issuer of distant mandates at best, give or take some situational exceptions related to the scope of certain projects. The only thing I'm trying to disprove is the false narrative peddled by Filoni Fanboys that Lucas was especially more involved in the storytelling process of TCW than any EU material....which he wasn't, and something fans of the show try to trumpet in order to desperately shield the show's narrative narrative deficiencies from criticism, by using Lucas' involvement as some special form of legitimacy (something Filoni himself loves to do in interviews as well).

George Lucas does not, and has never liked, writing storylines. He describes it as the worst part of any creative process he's involved in, and as such, his role in dictating a storyline's narrative--be it for the EU or TCW--was always down to a checklist, loose or vague mandate, or something that creatively spoke to him (such as coordinating TCW episodes solely to homage films that he likes, such as Magnificent Seven, The Dirty Dozen, or even his own THX-1138 and American Graffiti). The only edge TCW had over the EU when it came to Lucas' involvement was the fact that, as a visual medium, he was much more involved with how the show looked and sounded. This is actually where Lucas showed the most enthusiasm, as one of his major goals with the show was to technologically push the medium of animation forward with the advances being made by Lucasfilm Animation. It's why in behind-the-scenes footage, he'll have a list of things he wants in story meetings, but then spend hours accompanying the animators to get the look and feel of the show to his liking.

He basically approved Anderson nixing Madine and he liked the Dathomir witch idea? Is Filoni Wars respectful to the Dathomir Witch concept? I don't think so personally.

I never argued that Filoni was respectful to that concept. If anything, I'd agree with you that he wasn't.

Or at least, that Katie Lucas wasn't, since she's the one who wrote the episodes that re-introduced the Dathomir Nightwitches.

he answered five questions on a questionnaire for most of the 90s best EU content, had a brief phone convo where his primary input was he didn't want Joruus to be a clone of Obi-Wan Kenobi, and okayed the comics (apparently what he liked of the EU) crowd's with one to decisions.

I'd say for the bulk of content published for the Bantam Era, there's probably some truth to this. I wouldn't say Lucas was all that involved in, say, the X-Wing series, which had a lot more longevity throughout the 90's than most EU projects.

But I'd attribute that to the fact that a lot of the books and projects in the 90's where relatively small-scale, and weren't adding anything to the continuity with large of an impact that Lucas' input was mandatory before greenlighting. Such is the case for things like New Jedi Order, for instance, which was being touted by Del Rey as a major shakeup of the universe, and required a detailed breakdown for Lucas to approve and sign off on....thus leading to a laundry list of personal mandates by Lucas. Again, nothing exhaustive, but virtually the same as his involvement in TCW...which is what's in contention with fans trying to pin TCW as "his baby", in spite of it all evidence suggesting that he didn't have a greater involvement in that show's narrative than any other project he was involved with at the time, TV or otherwise.

George was intimately involved, regardless of if you like it or not, in the initial design of that series.

Well, what I like or dislike about that is utterly irrelevant, because I'll be the first one to tell you that it's true. The early seasons a product of Lucas' design, from the Thunderbirds aesthetic to the homaging of classic films. They have the largest mark of his involvement, and harbor much of his personal preferences for how the show looked and felt as a series. No disputing that.

Where we run into problems is when people say he had that kind of involvement for the entire show. Even though both public statements he made, as well as the undeniable traces of Filoni's larger creative influence are all over the later seasons of the show.

Is Lucas to blame for the show even existing in the first? Most undoubtedly. It's one of the few things I feel he made all the worst creative decisions, and one of the first cracks of low-quality content that signified the downfall of the brand before Disney would make it shatter altogether. What is undeniable, however, is that from Season 3 onward, it is very much Filoni's show, not Lucas.

And when fanboys like to use Lucas in an appeal to authority, they credit him for every narrative aspect of the entire series, which is a laughable claim at best, and desperate coping at worst from manchildren who are all too aware of the show's shortcomings and desperately need the creator of Star Wars as some kind of crutch.

iirc George didn't have a lot to do with Holiday, it was mostly this one guy who did a lot of TV specials like the Elvis concerts

This.

Lucas was in the midst of planning both the pre-production of Empire Strikes Back as well as setting up Skywalker Ranch with his wife, and thus relegated all management of the Holiday Special to the Licensing Division. Reportedly, he was mortified by the Holiday Special when he actually saw it, and demanded it never be re-aired or distributed on any home release.

Which is amusing, because the lasting legacy of that TV Special was the introduction of Chewbacca's wife and son, who in fact make multiple appearances in the Expanded Universe, and even pop up to mourn his loss in Vector Prime when he ultimately dies.

It's a shame no book or comic made use of that VR Sex Program that Chewie's father uses. I'm sure an author like Aaron Allston would have a field day with that.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Yeah Lucas has always been unreliable. Like how he wandered from 9 eps to 6 and back.
Back in the day after return of the Jedi there was an article in MAD of "lol imagine if they actually made prequel and sequel trilogies hahaha that would be crazy"
In their version it's Luke who's true father is The Force rather than Vader

iirc Holiday Special also popped up in R2D2: Under The Dome
It was on tv around ep 1 and I think was packed in with the first run of TPM home video maybe
Basically it was a parody of the VH1 Behind the Music stuff, portraying Artoo as a real robot who got famous fast from Star Wars, started drinking and drugging to the gills, and at one point one of the people interviewed (I think actually Lucas) mentioned "Artoo trying to get into directing, apparently he tried to make some Holiday Special but I dunno if it got made" or some joke along those lines

 

[jspit2.0]

@Mississippi Motorboater

It's a little harder to read when it's all in the paragraph box, also got a note you @ me. I'll be modifying your response for readability.

Lucas has always been a dubious source when it comes to reliable information, largely due to the fact that he's fairly consistent in some things, and all over the place in others. Where his involvement in the narrative process in TCW is concerned, the bulk of what we know comes from behind-the-scenes featurettes, and various interviews courtesy of Star Wars Insider.

I would humbly suggest his actions or inactions as well as his words speak volumes more by what is not said.

He has allot of ego and self worth invested in Star Wars.

And if you're read/watched both, a lot of it suggests that Lucas passed plenty of narrative mandates to Filoni and Gilroy, but the bulk of his interest was in the technical advances being made by LucasFilm's animation department (catering to his interests as an experimental filmmaker). That aspect, echoed by various different animators involved in the process, is if nothing else very consistent across interviews.

Oh, absolutely. The Clone Wars was his attempt to save his legacy as the prequels and Crystal skull were viewed as truly garbage by both his peers and a loud segment of fans and to make Lucasfilm marketable by pushing what made it top notch, technology.

Before a turbo autist targets this, I'll say this. I don't think his legacy needed fixing. Revenge of the Sith was solid and Phantom Menace and AoTC were bad films but have great scenery and cool ideas underneath.

Well, what's important to remember is that the T-Canon designator was not willed into existence by Lucas' own deliberation, or even something that existed during the early seasons of TCW's release.

Lucas had long discussed the lesser canon status of works other than his own. Filoni's later request to elevate TCW was really irrelevant to the point I was making that Lucas had mixed feelings about the EU given fans reception of it versus his prequels.

Funnily enough, TCW's breaks from the existing Clone Wars Multimedia project

Oh fuck yeah it does. It's definitely not muh Clone Wars. But that's on Lucas and his need to show he was the man.

I'm not trying to diminish or elevate his involvement in either project.

You were diminishing Lucas' role in TCW. He was far more involved as....

To the contrary, I think his role in both was largely the same, as an issuer of distant mandates at best, give or take some situational exceptions related to the scope of certain projects.

I went to great lengths how this was not the same. He got handed a checklist and ticked five boxes of questions. He had two or three major interactions in ten years. That...was not his role on TCW. He was involved. He decided to give Anakin a Padawan, he wanted a big blowy super destroyer Malevolence.

The only thing I'm trying to disprove is the false narrative peddled by Filoni Fanboys that Lucas was especially more involved in the storytelling process of TCW than any EU material....which he wasn't, and something fans of the show try to trumpet in order to desperately shield the show's narrative narrative deficiencies from criticism, by using Lucas' involvement as some special form of legitimacy (something Filoni himself loves to do in interviews as well).

But...that's...your crossing the streams man. Your argument is he had little to zero involvement in TCW. But, I'm sorry, he was very important to its inception and initial planning. He...wasn't with the EU.

I don't think George's involvement in those first couple of seasons given story ideas and interacting is the legitimacy token. I also don't think the early TCW's material is irredeemable garbage. It's cringy, boring at times, and a little heavy handed. But none of it is as bad as say Asohka beating Darth Maul one on one or brain chips.

There's a quality in-between garbage and shining excellence. Fun mediocrity with some interesting visuals. I'd describe the TCW early seasons as that with some cringe.

I never argued that Filoni was respectful to that concept. If anything, I'd agree with you that he wasn't.

Or at least, that Katie Lucas wasn't, since she's the one who wrote the episodes that re-introduced the Dathomir Nightwitches.

Asaj Ventress. Feels.

I'd say for the bulk of content published for the Bantam Era, there's probably some truth to this. I wouldn't say Lucas was all that involved in, say, the X-Wing series, which had a lot more longevity throughout the 90's than most EU projects.

But I'd attribute that to the fact that a lot of the books and projects in the 90's where relatively small-scale, and weren't adding anything to the continuity with large of an impact that Lucas' input was mandatory before greenlighting.

Yet, those are indisputably the ones that were the ego destroyers. I know you have your issues with Zahn and the Thrawn books but, well, NYT best selling. Award winning.

The same is true for allot of the books of that era. Truce at Bakura, The Jedi Academy saga, Courtship of Princess Leia. Allot of great books that carved out a universe that fans liked more than the prequels.

Such is the case for things like New Jedi Order, for instance, which was being touted by Del Rey as a major shakeup of the universe, and required a detailed breakdown for Lucas to approve and sign off on....thus leading to a laundry list of personal mandates by Lucas. Again, nothing exhaustive, but virtually the same as his involvement in TCW...which is what's in contention with fans trying to pin TCW as "his baby", in spite of it all evidence suggesting that he didn't have a greater involvement in that show's narrative than any other project he was involved with at the time, TV or otherwise.

Oh. So this is an NJO/TCW thing?

Well, what I like or dislike about that is utterly irrelevant, because I'll be the first one to tell you that it's true. The early seasons a product of Lucas' design, from the Thunderbirds aesthetic to the homaging of classic films. They have the largest mark of his involvement, and harbor much of his personal preferences for how the show looked and felt as a series. No disputing that.

Where we run into problems is when people say he had that kind of involvement for the entire show. Even though both public statements he made, as well as the undeniable traces of Filoni's larger creative influence are all over the later seasons of the show.

Is Lucas to blame for the show even existing in the first? Most undoubtedly. It's one of the few things I feel he made all the worst creative decisions, and one of the first cracks of low-quality content that signified the downfall of the brand before Disney would make it shatter altogether. What is undeniable, however, is that from Season 3 onward, it is very much Filoni's show, not Lucas.

I agree, from Season 3 forward, Lucas' influence decreases and Filoni takes more. But, I'm not saying the entire show or little involvement for the entire thing. I'm saying the reality is he was far more involved at the beginning.

And when fanboys like to use Lucas in an appeal to authority, they credit him for every narrative aspect of the entire series, which is a laughable claim at best, and desperate coping at worst from manchildren who are all too aware of the show's shortcomings and desperately need the creator of Star Wars as some kind of crutch.

I agree, but I would posit to you this. If Disney Consoomers are pathetic Charlie Browns, all lining up to get the football pulled out; is it not sometimes pathetic to treat everything regardless of merit or quality the same?

Disney Warz content is not all the same. It can sometimes be very mediocre. It can sometimes be bad, but parts of it enjoyable. And most of the times it's just garbage.

But, I do think it's important to distinguish between the two. TCW's season seven is truly awful. Worse than what was put out before the buy out. Later seasons between one and seven of the Clone Wars vary wildly in quality.

Another way to think about this was your curiosity at my statement on Rebels. I can pinpoint episodes that I thought, if severed from the series and considered individually were perfectly okay and enjoyable. The series as a whole is garbage as are all but a handful of episodes, almost all of them occurring when he was ripping off the EU in Season 3. But I can't sit here and pretend that everything is the same shade of awful.

Mostly terrible to mediocre, and on that depressing note I'm going to binge read, adieu

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Minigun guy literally merked all of the super stormtroopers solo. If the mangos didn't run away like pussies it would have been game over for the empire.

Heck, if he picked up one of the blasters from the dead Imperial Supercommandos, he could've just shot the Praetorians and walked off laughing.

 

[The handsome tard]

Which is why there's hope that the Veil of the Force or whatever is going to functionally pull a Days of Future Past and cause a timeline split, but the damage is too great at this point and Disney's going to try and justify sunk cost fallacy to the biter end.

When X-Men did it, you could argue that it was justified because it was a legit arc from the comics and the current state of fairs in the regular timeline werent the best and a soft reboot could put things in the right track. The ending of Days of Future Past is beautiful because it gives you this sense of things being how they should be, right down to Charles, Jean and Scott being back to life, with the promise of new adventures in the horizon. Then "Logan" happens...

If S.W does it, not only it will be so obviously desperate but it wont really "fit" Star Wars. You can make up how many timeline/multiversal (such a shit plot device) plots how much you want, wont change that this franchise is done for.

Yeah I don't know why people bother with Disney's productions.
There is no consensus anymore, everyone is doing whatever they want when they want. This character who has a mutal crush with the lead? Nope, in lesbians with a pansexual stormtrooper now. Conflicted kid thrown into a galactic war? Now sadistic killer.
Canon is gatekeeping shit lord, just get excited for next product.

Nothing Mando does matters. The Mandalorians are too cucked and gay to do anything during Sequel Trilogy so either whatever gay

Baby Yeeds is inexperienced or too dead and/or gay to keep Ben from going full emo, or stop Luke from being a walrus cuck, or help Leia train Rey to be all The Jedi or help against Palpatine (who has somehow returned). It doesn't matter. Ditto for Ahsoka.

Its been almost 10 years at this point, there has been no course correction. Furloni will do whatever it is that will let him masturbate to more Wolf Fic and put the same 4 of his OC's into every single fucking property. Favr-fav will toe whatever DEI line he's told to toe by the higher ups.

There is no civil war, nothing is going to save the franchise, and people who still mindlessly consoom & then get excited for next product mystify me. Almost as much as the people who say they hate the output but then come to give their takes on every single show Disney puts out the day the new episodes drop.

It all ends with Rey Palpatine, you like it or not.
But now its suddenly "all about the journey" or some coping mechanism people tell themselves.

 

[Sneed F91]

It all ends with Rey Palpatine, you like it or not.

This is why I have no idea why anybody cares about what happens in these D+ shows. None of it matters. Disney made their own shit irrelevant.

 

[starborn427614]

Mando lost his balls and went full Jon Snow in the latest episode. Imagine going from a bounty hunter who shoots first to "muh queen". What a shame.

I dunno, he still managed to shoot pretty well regardless.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Mando lost his balls and went full Jon Snow in the latest episode. Imagine going from a bounty hunter who shoots first to "muh queen". What a shame.

That was always Din's goal. He's always tried to give away the Darksaber and make someone else the ruler. He's been taking orders from some woman (The Armorer) for what appears to be most of his life, and when he found out that the Darksaber gives one the right to rule Mandalore, he tried to give it to Bo-Katan, so the moment he had the loophole to give it to her, he took the chance.

Mando was always the "MUH KWEEN" type. If it wasn't Bo, it was The Armorer, and if it was neither of them, you can bet your ass another woman would have him as her bottom bitch, be it Cara Dune (LOL RIP) or Ahsoka Tano.

 

[King Dead]

When X-Men did it, you could argue that it was justified because it was a legit arc from the comics and the current state of fairs in the regular timeline werent the best and a soft reboot could put things in the right track. The ending of Days of Future Past is beautiful because it gives you this sense of things being how they should be, right down to Charles, Jean and Scott being back to life, with the promise of new adventures in the horizon. Then "Logan" happens...

If S.W does it, not only it will be so obviously desperate but it wont really "fit" Star Wars. You can make up how many timeline/multiversal (such a shit plot device) plots how much you want, wont change that this franchise is done for.

The ideal would be to not even bother trying to come up with a plot device with a multiverse and alternate timelines and just axe everything from the Disney buyout on. Star Wars is not the place for multiverse or time travel shenanigans, despite how much Furloni wants to abuse them to save his precious jailbait waifu. Any sort of alternate "what if"/Infinities stories have been firmly declared non-canon from the start, so there's no need to try and keep wrangling a thousand different versions of Star Wars around like Marvel and DC have been doing for decades. Simply declare Disney's efforts non-canon (and/or claim it's all one big Infinities "what if everything ended up sucking after RotJ?" story), restore the EU, and refuse to ever address any of that garbage again.

Of course, that assumes someone who actually cares about the SW universe and wants to ensure it retains a good level of quality took the reins in order to keep hacks like Chunk Wendigo and his ilk from inserting their fetishes and general retardation. As it stands, I prefer the EU to remain crystallized in amber (frozen in carbonite?) at the time of the 2012 buyout, saved from the sad state of the modern science fiction scene. Like yeah, the EU had its low points, but it didn't have TIE fighters bobbing herkily-jerkily, fart fetish weddings, and not-even-thinly disguised lesbian fanfics.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

That was always Din's goal. He's always tried to give away the Darksaber and make someone else the ruler. He's been taking orders from some woman (The Armorer) for what appears to be most of his life, and when he found out that the Darksaber gives one the right to rule Mandalore, he tried to give it to Bo-Katan, so the moment he had the loophole to give it to her, he took the chance.

Mando was always the "MUH KWEEN" type. If it wasn't Bo, it was The Armorer, and if it was neither of them, you can bet your ass another woman would have him as her bottom bitch, be it Cara Dune (LOL RIP) or Ahsoka Tano.

The Armorer has to be the more infuriating of the two. She gives bizarre rules like "Have you EVER removed your helmet?" and "Bathe in the mines of Mandalore," a place that was known to be poisoned so she had no expectation he would actually do it and can't disprove his claim anyways. Like, Mando could have left for a few days and then lie and he'd be a Mandalorian against according to this idiot.

Bo-Katan was one of the causes of her civilization's downfall, but at least she lets people take their helmets off.

 

[KonradCruise]

The deathwatch being completely unapologetic in their views and ways is the only thing furloni did correctly after he turned mandalore into space sweden.
if filoni was actually anything more than a furry dweeb I would hazard tosay he was making some commentary about the irony of nordic types going from brutal warrior clans to becoming the softest, most pliable human beings on the planet.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Maybe in Filoni's section for what's not already there.

Done. Not sure if it flows right, but I placed it near the beginning of Dave's section since the material focuses on the Clone Wars show.

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

What do you think the chances of any of those 3 newly announced Star Wars movies being made are? Last Jedi and Rise were flops that both made considerably less than their predecessor movies and Solo was the first theatrical loss in the film franchise history. At least one movie about fighter pilots was scrapped and I have read that Disney is "scared shitless" of actually doing big budget Star Wars movies now and it all feels like so much vaporware.

The idea of Rey Palpatine getting movies where she is leading some sort of New Jedi Order in place of the dead "Here lies Beavis, He Never Scored" Disney version of Luke Skywalker seems Rian Johnson Trilogy level of not-gonna-happen.

 

[Kulee Baba]

What do you think the chances of any of those 3 newly announced Star Wars movies being made are? Last Jedi and Rise were flops that both made considerably less than their predecessor movies and Solo was the first theatrical loss in the film franchise history. At least one movie about fighter pilots was scrapped and I have read that Disney is "scared shitless" of actually doing big budget Star Wars movies now and it all feels like so much vaporware.

The idea of Rey Palpatine getting movies where she is leading some sort of New Jedi Order in place of the dead "Here lies Beavis, He Never Scored" Disney version of Luke Skywalker seems Rian Johnson Trilogy level of not-gonna-happen.

I can't help but imagine they're gonna have Baby Yeed now speaking in the same language capability of a 5 year old.

 

[Heckler1]

I feel like a trilogy with Rey and friends could have worked, but Disney is too obsessed with consoomers being fed safe bets that they refused to actually do anything new. Hell, I could probably give you decent trilogy outline even with some of the dumber character's attached. And I'm a terrible writer.