Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[make_it_so]

Rebels live action.

Late here, but as someone who did and still does really like some aspects of Rebels, I thought I'd give some thoughts.

As others have already mentioned, there's always going be some issues with translating character designs from animation to live action. But here, it looks as though they're not even trying. Sabine Wren looks nothing like her animated counterpart in terms of her physical appearance or costume (I still don't get why they didn't have Tiya Sircar reprise the role). Moreover, the scenes showing where she and Ahsoka meet up with each other - I'm getting the impression it's supposed to be the exact same scene we saw at the end of Rebels.

Which makes the differences in the appearances of the characters even more of an issue.

The two villains (Filoni Wolfaboo-ism aside) instantly reminded me of characters that would've shown up in KOTOR - in fact there were moments where I almost thought I was watching a KOTOR trailer or cutscene when I saw them.

In fact the overall appearance kind of reminds me of a point that our favorite alcoholic hack-frauds from Wisconsin were making in their review of the Kenobi series: it all looks too cheap to be a proper sci-fi motion picture, but at the same time looks too cartoonish to be a proper sci-fi television series. It winds up occupying this bizarre stylistic twilight zone where it basically looks like a cartoon but is trying really hard not to do so.

Which all together makes me think this series probably would've worked much better as animation. At the end of the day, animation is merely a storytelling medium, and for something like Star Wars it's basically the perfect storytelling medium because you can pull off stuff that you couldn't in live action without going over budget or looking silly. There also would've been the bonus of being able to still use all the old voice actors, something that fans of the old series (which let's be honest, are really the only ones who are going to be really excited for or interested in this) would've loved.

 

[Kerr Avon]

Plenty of authors who were politically incorrect back in the day and put in raunchy stuff in their past work *cough* Garth Ennis *cough* Alan Moore *cough* are now pro-SJW and are tight with the LGBTQ crowd.

For somebody that mocks Razorfist for being clueless about Moorcock , you come off just as retarded with this comment

 

[Male Idiot]

Technically, yeah, blowing a planet to craters is viable in ... well most franchises.

Kirk's Enterprise could depopulate a gangster planet. The mandalorian had tie bombers bomb* Mandalore in the Blandalorian, though it does seem odd that they can bomb it so well, yet don't reduce X-wings to dust.
Asteroids for example somehow could destroy a star destroyer, though warhammer is also guilty of that, even though it should have bounced off the armour, unless the armour is weaker than the shields by orders of magnitude, which doesn't seem to be a case in SW.

I think it is just rule of cool above common sense. Tie Bombers can bomb a planet to dust for the plot, but then can't deal with an ewok village because of plot, even if WW2 era planes could take out the ewoks with a carpet bombing.
The plot demands that the planet is made out of adamantium, emits anti-phaser flux gibberishium rays, the local nebula prevents the Tie's from targeting them, etc, whatever the writer can think up. if he bothers with an explanation at all.
And that's before we get into the wonderwaffen that always gets ignored after the episode. Palpatine's giant nukes that could hyperspace into planets? No, never stacked those. The little vial of explosives that could destroy the Prison Planet? Kirk let Sulu put it up his ass and its stuck there. That STC supership that fires black holes at light speed at you? Sitting above Mars forever.

* Fusion bombs, which are Hidrogen bombs without the fission part. Somehow made Mandalore radioactive, even though fusion is the cleaner one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTibALwfNg

Something to cheer you all up.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

For somebody that mocks Razorfist for being clueless about Moorcock , you come off just as retarded with this comment

And? Alan Moore and Garth Ennis made raunchy works that today would NOT be allowed due to the PC culture. (Watchmen comic, The Boys comic) They're still pro-leftist to the bone and have not been cancelled by the SJWs.

In the same vein, Lucas' story in the OT of Han putting his moves on Leia and Leia being made to wear a metal bikini wouldn't fly today, but Lucas is still pro-PC and even voted for Obama. The man even thought the Viet Cong were heroic resistance fighters instead of what they really were; brutal people fighting for a tyrannical cause.

 

[starborn427614]

Technically, yeah, blowing a planet to craters is viable in ... well most franchises.

Kirk's Enterprise could depopulate a gangster planet. The mandalorian had tie bombers bomb* Mandalore in the Blandalorian, though it does seem odd that they can bomb it so well, yet don't reduce X-wings to dust.
Asteroids for example somehow could destroy a star destroyer, though warhammer is also guilty of that, even though it should have bounced off the armour, unless the armour is weaker than the shields by orders of magnitude, which doesn't seem to be a case in SW.

I think it is just rule of cool above common sense. Tie Bombers can bomb a planet to dust for the plot, but then can't deal with an ewok village because of plot, even if WW2 era planes could take out the ewoks with a carpet bombing.
The plot demands that the planet is made out of adamantium, emits anti-phaser flux gibberishium rays, the local nebula prevents the Tie's from targeting them, etc, whatever the writer can think up. if he bothers with an explanation at all.
And that's before we get into the wonderwaffen that always gets ignored after the episode. Palpatine's giant nukes that could hyperspace into planets? No, never stacked those. The little vial of explosives that could destroy the Prison Planet? Kirk let Sulu put it up his ass and its stuck there. That STC supership that fires black holes at light speed at you? Sitting above Mars forever.

* Fusion bombs, which are Hidrogen bombs without the fission part. Somehow made Mandalore radioactive, even though fusion is the cleaner one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkTibALwfNg

Something to cheer you all up.

Was Mandalore radioactive? I assumed that was a lie by the Empire which was debunked when Mando scanned the place from the planet's surface.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Was Mandalore radioactive? I assumed that was a lie by the Empire which was debunked when Mando scanned the place from the planet's surface.

Well, it's not like Mandalorians care about living on Mandalore in this show. At this point, I assume everyone that lived under the Duchy of Mandalore is happy to not have to be ruled by either pacifistic retards or violent retards and thus, gave up their Mandalorian identity completely.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Well, it's not like Mandalorians care about living on Mandalore in this show. At this point, I assume everyone that lived under the Duchy of Mandalore is happy to not have to be ruled by either pacifistic retards or violent retards and thus, gave up their Mandalorian identity completely.

Basically, they're just sellswords. The first time we see Mando and the Children of the Watch, they came up one at a time and worked as mercenaries, and the same could be said of Bo-Katan's crew once they ditched her.

 

[TheHarbinger]

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-wars-griefing-thread-spoilers.32492/post-16079800

@terrantony98

George notoriously didn't care for other authors or creators works regarding the EU but undoubtedly in discussions with Disney over the purchase of the IP TCW was to be considered canon. Not only this but he went to check on Filoni on the mandalorian set and took pics with baby yoda so it's not like filoni preformed some ruthless mutiny on star wars and stole it from Lucas becuase they are clearly on speaking terms. More realistically the person who did that was Kennedy.

People are acting like Lucas handed over this prestigious unblemished perfect franchise over to Disney. But in reality he needed Disney to reheat the corpse of Star Wars after his prequels obliterated the franchise in the mainstream and relegated it to obscure sci-fi nerdom. Lucas clearly just wanted 'Star Wars' to be popular even if it was in name only and barely resembled Star Wars in its past. A soulless dead mess of films under the 'Star Wars' brand....are still Star Wars. Star Wars is now part of the mainstream consciousness again even if everyone hates it because it cannot be ignored. Disney is mass promoting the brand nonstop. You cannot avoid Star Wars.

And if you look at the "special" editions of the first Star Wars trilogy you can see that preserving the memories and canon of the original trilogy are things that Lucas himself does not care about. Fans mistake their own passion over the series for that of Lucas. But in reality he wants more changes to the older films and more retcons and other nonsense. More Han shoots first and CGI orgies and other mindless changes. "Noooooooooooo!". Lucas obviously has some bizarre fixation on 'correcting' the mistakes of the original trilogy and he cannot respect them at all.

I think Filoni deserves the hate but people in this thread act like he's Satan twisting the words of God into a bastardization. No, George very much liked the stuff he put out regardless of what you think of it.

Lucas thinks that the special edition edits and the prequels are better than the original theatrical trilogy. He has lost his mind. He is no longer in the same mindset and state that allowed him to create Star Wars in the first place. So anyone expecting a return to the original styles of the first three films were setting themselves up for extreme disappointment.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Basically, they're just sellswords. The first time we see Mando and the Children of the Watch, they came up one at a time and worked as mercenaries, and the same could be said of Bo-Katan's crew once they ditched her.

And until Bo-Katan showed up, none of them could afford a Razor Crest between all of them while Pterodactyls and Alligators ate their children. I'm pretty sure all those citizens we saw in Clone Wars heard that stupid Mando helmet rule and said, "So if we don't wear helmets, we're not Mandalorians anymore? Great!"

 

[Shekelslovakia]

this has to be a fake. No way they're going to make Rey pregnant for the new movie.

My prediction that she's actually Shimi Skywalker sent back in time to just before TPM is almost coming true. Making this entire franchise a meaningless paradox!

 

[Sneed F91]

Someone at my job streamed the entire OT (2019 Disney+ if anybody's autistic enough to care) today and surprisingly a few guys caught some feels when Luke took off Vader's helmet. After ROTJ I thought they would show TFA but they put on the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie instead. Good choice.

Nobody in real life gives a damn about Disney Wars outside of Mando, Obi Wan, or that Jedi video game.
/blog

 

[God of Nothing]

I also think Genndy wars gets too much praise. The animation is fantastic but characters still act like wooden cutouts, also the clone jousting I think is absolutely retarded and the power scaling for certain characters is way off.

After watching Primal and going back to Genndy Wars, I came to the conclusion he gets way too much credit for not having his characters speak much or at all. The animation is beautiful, yeah, but overall both are barebones. It gives the inkling of something greater with a lot of things up for interpretation. Except having a lot up for interpretation doesn't give much when there's not much foundation to work from. Samurai Jack, the original seasons, was his best work because it had this foundation for the mostly quiet episodes to go off of. You can impart a lot of story and character without words, yeah, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use any.

Genndy Wars' biggest flaw though was being almost entirely non-stop action scenes. I know it's a war and a cartoon intended for kids, but there's not much context to go off of. Really cool shit to look at yeah. Except that's almost all of it. Anakin's vision and the tribal stuff was really nice though.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

So things happened today in the Mango. Starbuck led the Mangos to Mangolorian to retake it. Yoda used IG-88 as a mech. The Mangos were ambushed by Moff Nig, The Mango captured, Minigun man killed by Knights of Ren. Cliffhanger!
7/10 episode

Oh the best part? Immortalising the sequel trilogy by having Commander Hugs and mentioning project necromancer

 

[anti SJW]

So things happened today in the Mango. Starbuck led the Mangos to Mangolorian to retake it. Yoda used IG-88 as a mech. The Mangos were ambushed by Moff Nig, The Mango captured, Minigun man killed by Knights of Ren. Cliffhanger!
7/10 episode

Oh the best part? Immortalising the sequel trilogy by having Commander Hugs and mentioning project necromancer

Don't forget the Pratoiran Guards or whatever they are called showing up to take out Minigun man. Direct tie in to The Last Jedi.

Baby Yoda basically has a flying carpet to move around. Let's put Him in a mech that can't fly so He looses mobility.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Genndy Wars' biggest flaw though was being almost entirely non-stop action scenes. I know it's a war and a cartoon intended for kids, but there's not much context to go off of. Really cool shit to look at yeah. Except that's almost all of it. Anakin's vision and the tribal stuff was really nice though.

Not everything has to be Shakespeare. There's a time and place for everything. The way I see it, Genndy Wars' job was to show the brutality and epic scale of the Clone Wars, and in that task, it succeeded with flying colors. Something like the Thrawn Trilogy or Knights of the Old Republic exists to be cerebral, to handle the universe in an intellectual manner, to have debates and intellectual discussions about the nuances of the Star Wars universe. Something like the Rogue Squadron Trilogy exists to show a grounded approach to Star Wars in the vein of military science fiction. Something like Tales of the Jedi, Force Unleashed, or Dark Empire exists to have fun with OP characters blowing shit up or using OP magic, essentially the Superman and Dragon Ball Z of Star Wars. Tartakovsky Wars exists to show non-stop action in the vein of those war movies that depict massive battles of epic scale. Basically, the Star Wars answer to Warhammer 40K. And it does that well.

 

[Male Idiot]

Mangos clearly need Zorg's ZF-1 Pod Weapons.

Also Doomcock on suicide watch, the copium has failed him.

 

[starborn427614]

One of the better episodes of the season.

RIP Paz, he went out like a real one. I definitely don't trust the Armorer at this point, especially given Gideon's helmet. Not to mention the name of the episode was The Spies, plural.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Most of this is in the OP. Edit: Also @5t3n0g0ph3r if its not too much trouble, could you add some of the few new snippets to Filoni's section ?

From this post? Where would it be best to put it.

 

[Creep3r]

From this post? Where would it be best to put it.

Maybe in Filoni's section for what's not already there.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

It's funny, actually--for all of the flak she gets, I think Traviss got into the character's heads and extolled their internal struggles better than either of her peers.

It's always been her strength, and the thing that gets me through her books. I think she's good at getting you to give a shit about a character, even if she's using said character as a somewhat incoherent mouthpiece commenting on her misunderstandings of the setting. I honestly think that the Kilo-5 trilogy is the best thing 343i put out, and she literally actually put "Halsey Haters Club" in the book. I think certain marine characters are akin to certain Jedi/Commando characters with regards to the 'incoherent mouthpiece' thing, but I also give a shit about how they interact with other characters so I'm able to push through the shit parts to get to the fascinating character interactions.

That her books are the best part of 343i Halo is less of a compliment to her and more of a damning critique of the others, of course. I like Last Light, but the plotline it introduces is retarded and its sequels are unreadable, and I actually kinda like Star by Star.

(especially Jedi Academy Trilogy which is good haters)

The best part of the trilogy is that line about "the sun reached out and devoured their world" or however it goes when Carida gets SUNCRUSHER'd. It's a sudden, abrupt jump in writing quality that lasts just long enough for it to really showcase how mid the rest of Anderson's writing is. I also like Stackpole's adaptation of it, because I love how much he loves Corran Horn.

Hey, how come Stackpole never got to write a Halo book? It seems like a match made in heaven, and they gave books to all the other Star Wars jobbers, but not him.