Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[JJLiautaud]

Could be worse, they could get their urban planning ideas from SimCity 3000 where literal castles eliminate all pollution and crime and skyrocket property values.

Why must you put cool dreams inside my head to torment me?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Another thing these faggots always forget is Trucks. Nit SUV's or Pickups, real Trucks. Right now I'm hauling almost 20 tons of frozen meat on a 500 mile run. How exactly do they expect to do that on bikes, or busses? O.K. fag, you get your wish, Stronk Towns, 15 minutes cities, you can walk to work in 15 minutes and your grocery store is on the way. Now how the fuck does the food get to the grocery store? Will there be ranches and farms inside the 15 minute city in your car-free utiopia?

Some say they want the world where the only vehicle traffic is box trucks (usually they don’t like semis but some are fine with even big trucks, I doubt they know how empty on average that bread semi at the local store actually is).

And then the others who live in the existing bicycle paradises post rants about how the trucks are blocking the street.

And as mentioned some actually think that a rail line to each store or group of stores is at all workable. Truck bad. Really big truck on metal rails good.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Some say they want the world where the only vehicle traffic is box trucks (usually they don’t like semis but some are fine with even big trucks, I doubt they know how empty on average that bread semi at the local store actually is).

And then the others who live in the existing bicycle paradises post rants about how the trucks are blocking the street.

And as mentioned some actually think that a rail line to each store or group of stores is at all workable. Truck bad. Really big truck on metal rails good.

For playing so many simulator games, they almost never get logistics. You have to get the meat from farm to the train to the store somehow. Getting rid of trucks is going to leave a lot of people starving, and a lot of food spoiled. Not just that, but how are they gonna get their Funkos fast??

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Some say they want the world where the only vehicle traffic is box trucks (usually they don’t like semis but some are fine with even big trucks, I doubt they know how empty on average that bread semi at the local store actually is).

And then the others who live in the existing bicycle paradises post rants about how the trucks are blocking the street.

And as mentioned some actually think that a rail line to each store or group of stores is at all workable. Truck bad. Really big truck on metal rails good.

Guaranteed none of them even know the term "just in time" as in how modern logistics are run.

For playing so many simulator games, they almost never get logistics. You have to get the meat from farm to the train to the store somehow. Getting rid of trucks is going to leave a lot of people starving, and a lot of food spoiled. Not just that, but how are they gonna get their Funkos fast??

Yup.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Guaranteed none of them even know the term "just in time" as in how modern logistics are run.

Dontcha know that it's JIT logistics that's causing the all logistics issues not you know shutting down the world for 2 years:

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Could be worse, they could get their urban planning ideas from SimCity 3000 where literal castles eliminate all pollution and crime and skyrocket property values.

I literally posted Magnasanti 3 pages back you know.

This touches on part of the core issue with these people, they are very big on theoretical knowledge they simply believe is correct because of a religious worship of Science as a new backbone of spirituality for the new age. They will read a paper and simply take it for granted because it is on a "reputable source" and because the guy writing/talking paid a bunch of money to get a shiny name tag. They do not actually understand how the sausage is made, how flawed these models are, refuse to admit biases and blind spots on their models, constantly work backwards to make reality fit the theory.

There is this old joke from pre-enlightenment European scientific progress of monks arguing about how many teeth a donkey has, and a new monk just asks why don't they just leave the monastery for a moment to count on a real donkey. The monks tell him to stfu because "real knowledge is derived from discussion and consultation of authoritative sources" not walking. It is literally how these people think. They don't "need" to actually go out and see what is happening on the city and how the public transport is going, there is no need to verify the money and proposals, all the knowledge they need is coming from the Science and it is already self evident from their own perception and if you question how suburbs could be a scam or why people would want a car you are obviously a carbrain bad faith actor or a ignorant normie who has not heard the word of the Gods of Urbanism.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Dontcha know that it's JIT logistics that's causing the all logistics issues not you know shutting down the world for 2 years:

To be fair JIT is a major issue as any delay in the supply chain compounds down the line. It's also far, far more fragile than anyone is aware. That being said, it is the way nearly every business does things, even if it is fundamentally stupid.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

The average american eats about 2 eggs every 3 days (a) - some of that is eggs used in various things like bread, cake whatever, let's call it one actual egg a week.

Manhattan island has 1.7 million people. New York City metro area has 20 million. That is 1.7 million eggs a week that has to cross those bridges or come in by boat. 1.7 million eggs is at best 17 trucks a week. For the metro you need 200. But that's assuming redditmath and 100,000 eggs fit in a truck (a) - probably close enough because bulk eggs in the giant containers are closer together than in a carton.

But you need to put the eggs on the truck. To make 100,000 eggs in a week, you need 15,000 chickens (assume one egg/day). A factory farm could fit that pretty easily let's assume, but bugmen hate putting chickens in cages as much as they hate humans outside cages. The HFAC’s Certified Humane® “Free Range” requirement is 2 sq. ft. per bird. That's 30,000 sq ft for these chickens, or 6,000,000 sq ft for the NY metro. And this is for eggs only nothing else. And we haven't even gotten to the supplies needed to make these hens lay. We're already at 125 acres or so, and we only have ONE thing the damn city needs. We could go into MILK (New York makes 15 billion pounds a year) - even soy milk requires land to grow, about 1 sq meter per liter of soy.

The more you dig into it the more batshit insane it is that all this shit actually works holyfuck we didn't all die during covid fuckery. It's quite amazing; most people in the USA/Europe would starve in a week if trucks stopped.

(Another estimate I've seen bandied about is that a subsistence farm needs 5 acres per person. Intensive farming can greatly reduce that, but probably not much below 2 or 3 people per acre - which is about where we are now, 7 billion fed from 4 billion acres. Let's go high and say we can feed 5 people per acre - we still need 4,000,000 acres just for New York, with NO transportation/logistics/etc. That's 6,250 square miles, or an area half the size of the New York Metro area itself.)

 

[WelperHelper99]

I literally posted Magnasanti 3 pages back you know.

This touches on part of the core issue with these people, they are very big on theoretical knowledge they simply believe is correct because of a religious worship of Science as a new backbone of spirituality for the new age. They will read a paper and simply take it for granted because it is on a "reputable source" and because the guy writing/talking paid a bunch of money to get a shiny name tag. They do not actually understand how the sausage is made, how flawed these models are, refuse to admit biases and blind spots on their models, constantly work backwards to make reality fit the theory.

There is this old joke from pre-enlightenment European scientific progress of monks arguing about how many teeth a donkey has, and a new monk just asks why don't they just leave the monastery for a moment to count on a real donkey. The monks tell him to stfu because "real knowledge is derived from discussion and consultation of authoritative sources" not walking. It is literally how these people think. They don't "need" to actually go out and see what is happening on the city and how the public transport is going, there is no need to verify the money and proposals, all the knowledge they need is coming from the Science and it is already self evident from their own perception and if you question how suburbs could be a scam or why people would want a car you are obviously a carbrain bad faith actor or a ignorant normie who has not heard the word of the Gods of Urbanism.

That's the thing, it's so religious that they'll use a bike to drag a refrigerator back to their shitty apartment just to prove that they believe

 

[DeadwastePrime]

That's the thing, it's so religious that they'll use a bike to drag a refrigerator back to their shitty apartment just to prove that they believe

honestly its easier to have it shipped to you or you rent a vehicle in that instance. even njb admitted that in a video one time

 

[WelperHelper99]

honestly its easier to have it shipped to you or you rent a vehicle in that instance. even njb admitted that in a video one time

Lol he admitted it?? Fuck. But you know what's even easier? One of these:
A brand new F-250, which helps directly contribute to the American economy. Could also do it with a 150, maybe a ranger if it fits. Owning your own truck has perks, notably you don't need to rent a vehicle ( like DVD's vs streaming services) to pick up big or heavy things. You want that 75 inch flat-screen? Put it in the truck. Need to throw out a couch? Truck. Tow a trailer because you're moving or going on a trip? Truck baby. It's funny he admits the truck has a place but makes a big video wanting to ban them.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Lol he admitted it?? Fuck. But you know what's even easier? One of these:
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A brand new F-250, which helps directly contribute to the American economy. Could also do it with a 150, maybe a ranger if it fits. Owning your own truck has perks, notably you don't need to rent a vehicle ( like DVD's vs streaming services) to pick up big or heavy things. You want that 75 inch flat-screen? Put it in the truck. Need to throw out a couch? Truck. Tow a trailer because you're moving or going on a trip? Truck baby. It's funny he admits the truck has a place but makes a big video wanting to ban them.

consider the following information: not everyone wants to own a truck nor should they have to own one in most instances when they dont need it. some people, they just want sedans or sports cars or coupes or one of those kei cars or something and thats perfectly fine.
also he didnt say trucks in the video. it was vans. the cargo bike video he did a while back is when he mentions it.
besides, a van will suffice for most of these instances and also have towing capabilities too.

 

[WelperHelper99]

consider the following information: not everyone wants to own a truck nor should they have to own one in most instances when they dont need it. some people, they just want sedans or sports cars or coupes or one of those kei cars or something and thats perfectly fine.
also he didnt say trucks in the video. it was vans. the cargo bike video he did a while back is when he mentions it.
besides, a van will suffice for most of these instances and also have towing capabilities too.

True not everyone needs one but it is fun and is good to know how to drive. A van is a good alternative I'll admit that, and thanks for the clarification on what he said

 

[DavidS877]

Lol he admitted it?? Fuck. But you know what's even easier? One of these:
View attachment 5043252A brand new F-250, which helps directly contribute to the American economy. Could also do it with a 150, maybe a ranger if it fits. Owning your own truck has perks, notably you don't need to rent a vehicle ( like DVD's vs streaming services) to pick up big or heavy things. You want that 75 inch flat-screen? Put it in the truck. Need to throw out a couch? Truck. Tow a trailer because you're moving or going on a trip? Truck baby. It's funny he admits the truck has a place but makes a big video wanting to ban them.

The funny thing is that my pickup gets better fuel mileage than my previous compact SUV. Even applying the conversion factor for diesel CO2 emissions it's still better than what I had before. It also does better than minivans like the Honda Odyssey and far better than many full size vans and some sedans/crossovers. But it's an evil bicycle destroying pickup, and about the same color as that Ford so the blood of the pedestrians I run over blends in with the paint.

In my mind the best way to reduce carbon emissions is to let the people who want to work from home, well, work from home. Other than the occasional visit to customer sites my commute footprint is 0. Far lower than my job with 40 miles each way no matter what transit mode I used. And I only need one car instead of the 1.5 cars per person or whatever the average is since I can optimize my one car for 99.9% of my needs.

 

[WelperHelper99]

The funny thing is that my pickup gets better fuel mileage than my previous compact SUV. Even applying the conversion factor for diesel CO2 emissions it's still better than what I had before. It also does better than minivans like the Honda Odyssey and far better than many full size vans and some sedans/crossovers. But it's an evil bicycle destroying pickup, and about the same color as that Ford so the blood of the pedestrians I run over blends in with the paint.

In my mind the best way to reduce carbon emissions is to let the people who want to work from home, well, work from home. Other than the occasional visit to customer sites my commute footprint is 0. Far lower than my job with 40 miles each way no matter what transit mode I used. And I only need one car instead of the 1.5 cars per person or whatever the average is since I can optimize my one car for 99.9% of my needs.

Basically this. Why cram everyone into a hive if you can do the same work at home? Saves money and carbon for everyone. Not every job can do that, but that's what choice is about. Puts less wear on trains and roads too, and allows people to live a bit more naturally

 

[Car Won't Crank]

Dontcha know that it's JIT logistics that's causing the all logistics issues not you know shutting down the world for 2 years:

Wendover is a lefty. I'd take his analysis type videos with mountains of salt.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Wendover is a lefty. I'd take his analysis type videos with mountains of salt.

Do I have to add /sneed even here?

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

one of the things I've started to notice is a side-effect of all these regulations making cars expensive as fuck; families that would have had a small commuter car, a family minivan, and a big old hauler, are gravitating towards one vehicle to do all, which is some monstrously huge pickup or SUV. so the average "carness" of the whole group goes up; instead of the pickup sitting mostly unused for day-2-day, they're driving it all the time.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

To be fair JIT is a major issue as any delay in the supply chain compounds down the line. It's also far, far more fragile than anyone is aware. That being said, it is the way nearly every business does things, even if it is fundamentally stupid.

JIT is something that was developed for and to be used by a Highly Autistic Island Nations or a Nation in the middle of a massive trade network. Basically Japen, the UK and Germany.

Anywhere else it just falls flat.

You need a high number of Autistics per capita to make it worthwhile.

 

[DavidS877]

JIT is something that was developed for and to be used by a Highly Autistic Island Nations or a Nation in the middle of a massive trade network. Basically Japen, the UK and Germany.

Anywhere else it just falls flat.

You need a high number of Autistics per capita to make it worthwhile.

There are some staples in the US that have always been JIT. Milk is basically JIT(~48 hours). Meat is fairly short timelines and it's hard to suddenly spin up more capacity when it takes 3-12 months to grow a new animal. Eggs as well. Some vegetables as well. Obviously stuff like rice and dried beans aren't and can be kept for a long time and warehoused.