Nintendo Switch (Currently Plagued) - Here we shit post about the new Nintendo console, The Switch

[Slav Power]

The Switch is definitely a 9th generation console because the Wii U was Nintendo's 8th generation console.

There's nothing stopping the classification of both the Wii U and the Switch as 8th gen. However there's an argument to be made that generation classification really ceased to matter at around the seventh gen after consoles more or less became more like closed-off PC's rather than very unique constructions that can do more than your regular ATX box.

Yeah, there is no reason to not consider it 9th gen, if it is about the power then why is the wii a 7th gen console when it is way way behind the ps3/360, if it is about when it came out then the dreamcast wouldn't be considered 6th gen as it came out way before the ps2.

And which generation do you think the Xbox One X fits in then?

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

There's nothing stopping the classification of both the Wii U and the Switch as 8th gen. However there's an argument to be made that generation classification really ceased to matter at around the seventh gen after consoles more or less became more like closed-off PC's rather than very unique constructions that can do more than your regular ATX box.

And which generation do you think the Xbox One X fits in then?

It is a mid generation upgrade to the xbox one, runs the same games and the same OS, it is still 8th gen.

 

[Slav Power]

It is a mid generation upgrade to the xbox one, runs the same games and the same OS, it is still 8th gen.

So what's your definition of a console generation then? The games that can be played on a given console? Do you have a metric for percentage of games that didn't get ported to the "next gen" console which can define the separation between the two consoles? The type of operating system the console runs? And if so, what constitutes as a separation between new and old OS?

Maybe instead of trying to discussing semantics just to arbitrarily classify a given console in a given generation we give up this nomenclature altogether? The generation nonsense fits in the PC world where it's very easy: a product line released in a year is one generation, and new product lines get released every year. In case of consoles it is insanely arbitrary, especially around the 8th-9th gen mark. Even during the early microcomputer era there was no distinction between something like the VIC20, C64 and Amiga.

The console generations made sense during the early days when the concept of home entertainment devices was picking up, the tech was being developed and various ideas were thrown around until things became standardized. This has came to a close somewhere around the PS1-PS2 era, when the console format was clear: you have a big block, you put CD's in it, you plug in a controller with x buttons and x analog sticks and every next generation just gives it a new look and more processing power.

 

[whatever I feel like]

The Switch is definitely a 9th generation console because the Wii U was Nintendo's 8th generation console. It released several years after Nintendo's 8th gen machine. It took what worked with the Wii U, axed what didn't, and improved upon it, thus putting it in a future generation.

The 2600 and 5200 get lumped together, so it's happened before. The Wii U is going to have to share a gen, I put it with the Switch.

 

[Pissmaster]

The 2600 and 5200 get lumped together, so it's happened before. The Wii U is going to have to share a gen, I put it with the Switch.

Those are of separate generations, too, they just don’t fit into Wikipedia’s arbitrary and obnoxiously autistic format of unifying strides in technology.

The simplest definition of a console generation I can come up with is that a console is of a new generation when it plays games the older one cannot. Of course, this concept’s really falling apart nowadays, considering just about every game exclusive to the 9th gen can theoretically work on 8th, just with lower settings. Switch has that in spades over the Wii U, considering it uses an entirely different architecture, one that’s not completely obsolete everywhere else

 

[Canoodler]

I love Yoshi's Crafted World. Such a great game.

 

[Pissmaster]

I love Yoshi's Crafted World. Such a great game.

No you don't.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Those are of separate generations, too, they just don’t fit into Wikipedia’s arbitrary and obnoxiously autistic format of unifying strides in technology.

The simplest definition of a console generation I can come up with is that a console is of a new generation when it plays games the older one cannot. Of course, this concept’s really falling apart nowadays, considering just about every game exclusive to the 9th gen can theoretically work on 8th, just with lower settings. Switch has that in spades over the Wii U, considering it uses an entirely different architecture, one that’s not completely obsolete everywhere else

You are free to use your own definition, separate from everyone else's, and we're free to laugh at you.

 

[Betonhaus]

So what's your definition of a console generation then? The games that can be played on a given console? Do you have a metric for percentage of games that didn't get ported to the "next gen" console which can define the separation between the two consoles? The type of operating system the console runs? And if so, what constitutes as a separation between new and old OS?

I'd assume it would just be manufacture specific hardware generation, with the generation number being synchronized between manufacturers a few generations back for marketing purposes. Maybe it used to be technological leaps, but now its when a redesigned console comes out. So the switch would be the next gen after the Wii U which is the next gen after the Wii, and the Xbox Series is the next gen after the Xbox One, with literarions withing the generations being seen as decimal point increases.

That being said, Nintendo has for teh past few generations been following a tick-tock cycle where they have a banger of a console, then one they try something new or boost the power of only for it to flop, then they fix the main problems that flop had and make another banger. The Gamecube was more powerful but wasn't approachable, the Wii was just as powerful but simplified the controls, the Wii U had more power but a dizzying number of controller configurations, and the Switch combined the Wii U's controllers into a universal set.

 

[Pissmaster]

You are free to use your own definition, separate from everyone else's, and we're free to laugh at you.

But it's just you, Slav Power, and the trannies on English Wikipedia saying it's 8th generation. It's of a newer generation because it improves upon the last console Nintendo was producing. I don't know how else to simplify it, the whole concept of console generations are arbitrary as-is. I didn't even hear about them until like less than a decade ago when Wikipedia had a whole article that declared which consoles were of which generations.

I'd assume it would just be manufacture specific hardware generation, with the generation number being synchronized between manufacturers a few generations back for marketing purposes. Maybe it used to be technological leaps, but now its when a redesigned console comes out. So the switch would be the next gen after the Wii U which is the next gen after the Wii, and the Xbox Series is the next gen after the Xbox One, with literarions withing the generations being seen as decimal point increases.

That being said, Nintendo has for teh past few generations been following a tick-tock cycle where they have a banger of a console, then one they try something new or boost the power of only for it to flop, then they fix the main problems that flop had and make another banger. The Gamecube was more powerful but wasn't approachable, the Wii was just as powerful but simplified the controls, the Wii U had more power but a dizzying number of controller configurations, and the Switch combined the Wii U's controllers into a universal set.

Good lord, you can write a lot and say absolutely nothing.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Switch is obviously 9th gen, just because it released earlier and is weaker than its competition doesn't preclude it from its obvious place in the generation. The only possible argument I can see against it is considering is a handheld and classifying it by handheld generations, but it was officially considered a home console by Nintendo.

It'll have to be as performant if not better as the Steam Deck, that's the baseline they'll have to overcome.

Considering Steam Deck is over a year old now and it seems Switch 2 won't be released for 2 years at the earliest, that would definitely be the minimum they'd need to shoot for.

Nintendo doesn't need to try and compete with the Steam Deck, because the Steam Deck is popular for it's ability to emulate and that can only take it so far (that and linux is still a niche OS).

Nintendo doesn't need to try to compete with Steam Deck because while it's popular it's not mainstream enough (because it is sold exclusively through Steam's website, nothing can really compete like that). Plus it might target a bit of a different demographic despite probably having heavy overlap.

But Steam Deck isn't just popular for emulation, it's a big draw though.

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

Switch is obviously 9th gen, just because it released earlier and is weaker than its competition doesn't preclude it from its obvious place in the generation. The only possible argument I can see against it is considering is a handheld and classifying it by handheld generations, but it was officially considered a home console by Nintendo.


Considering Steam Deck is over a year old now and it seems Switch 2 won't be released for 2 years at the earliest, that would definitely be the minimum they'd need to shoot for.


Nintendo doesn't need to try to compete with Steam Deck because while it's popular it's not mainstream enough (because it is sold exclusively through Steam's website, nothing can really compete like that). Plus it might target a bit of a different demographic despite probably having heavy overlap.

But Steam Deck isn't just popular for emulation, it's a big draw though.

They are working with nvidia, so I assume the next chip will have some dlss functionality, seems like a good way to cut on other corners and make it cheaper while also being a good upgrade, so I assume the next switch would be around maybe a bit weaker than the steam deck but with dlss so it can run better resolutions..

 

[Epoch]

have some dlss functionality

I myself cannot wait for every game to run at 480p upscaled with motion blur and temporal artifacting, the Switch is already doing that!

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

I myself cannot wait for every game to run at 480p upscaled with motion blur and temporal artifacting, the Switch is already doing that!

I aldo am not much of a fan of how it looks, but it does seem like the most likely outcome to me.

 

[IrishGuy088]

But Steam Deck isn't just popular for emulation, it's a big draw though.

I will never grow tired of people spending hundreds of dollars to pirate Nintendo games in mediocre fashion.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I will never grow tired of people spending hundreds of dollars to pirate Nintendo games in mediocre fashion.

It plays everything pretty well up until Switch, doesn't it? It has in my experience. I only tested a few Switch games which worked flawlessly as far as I could tell, but it's supposedly hit and miss so far.

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

It plays everything pretty well up until Switch, doesn't it? It has in my experience. I only tested a few Switch games which worked flawlessly as far as I could tell, but it's supposedly hit and miss so far.

In my experience both switch emulators have a lot more problems with amd cpus, also they are still in a relative infancy as far as emulators go, so I am sure that the deck will eventually be able to run them fine enough, at least at native res and framerate.

 

[IrishGuy088]

It plays everything pretty well up until Switch, doesn't it? It has in my experience. I only tested a few Switch games which worked flawlessly as far as I could tell, but it's supposedly hit and miss so far.

In my experience both switch emulators have a lot more problems with amd cpus, also they are still in a relative infancy as far as emulators go, so I am sure that the deck will eventually be able to run them fine enough, at least at native res and framerate.

Has there been any word on Nvidia's DLSS being implemented with the Switch OLED hardware? Just as a proof-of-concept it seems compelling. I'd like to see its implementation, pass or fail.

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

Has there been any word on Nvidia's DLSS being implemented with the Switch OLED hardware? Just as a proof-of-concept it seems compelling. I'd like to see its implementation, pass or fail.

That is impossible, as DLSS needs RT cores, that are only present in the 2000 series and up, the switch oled uses the exact same chip as the second release of the switch and the switch lite so it is still just based on maxwell architecture.

 

[IrishGuy088]

That is impossible, as DLSS needs RT cores, that are only present in the 2000 series and up, the switch oled uses the exact same chip as the second release of the switch and the switch lite so it is still just based on maxwell architecture.

Then why were all those outlets claiming the OLED model could take advantage of it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not surprised that the gaming press would be incorrect. Just a bummer.