Nintendo Switch (Currently Plagued) - Here we shit post about the new Nintendo console, The Switch

[vomitusdeux]

So, nostalgia over new concepts?

Are you retarded? Water temple was an example you colossal faggot. Or do you think think twilight princess and OOT have the same dungeons? Have you never heard of "create a new fucking dungeon instead of the same stupid fucking shrine over and over with slight puzzle variations"? It was lazy, it was retarded, it soured the game's potential.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Are you retarded? Water temple was an example you colossal faggot. Or do you think think twilight princess and OOT have the same dungeons? Have you never heard of "create a new fucking dungeon instead of the same stupid fucking shrine over and over with slight puzzle variations"? It was lazy, it was retarded, it soured the game's potential.

Somebody didn't play Portal

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Defenders of BotW never cease to amaze me.

Yo don't lump me in with them. I'm as confused as you are.

 

[skykiii]

Somebody didn't play Portal

I'm not sure how an old C64 text adventure is relevant to this discussion...

Yeah I know that's not the one you meant. Also sorry having to link to a MetalJesus video--apparently he's controversial in some places--but this was the first video that came up that actually explained the game instead of just being a longplay,

 

[Spud]

They are dungeons, just kind of boring ones, they all look aesthetically the same, and the small space and how short they are just make them feel very weak, doesnt help that they share a lot of the assets with the 120 shrines.

But enough about Elder Scrolls V : Skyrim

 

[Pissmaster]

I liked the shrine where you have Link sit down on that fancy toilet and take a shit and his shit lands in a bowl on a seesaw and that seesaw pushes up a plank with a marble on it that rolls down the plank and into a trebuchet that launches it into a little carousel that drops it onto a domino that tips over a whole row of dominoes, and the last domino pushes an igniter that starts a fire that starts the sprinkler system that fills up a jar across the room that tips over when filled and splashes a bunch of water all at once through a grate onto a floor switch that opens up the gate so you can get the orb

 

[Slav Power]

I'm interested to see what will Nintendo do to replace the Switch. Because as much of a golden goose it was, the fuel on this train is running low and they will have to release something newer.

The Switch came out in 2017, making it a last gen console, as it was released when Sony's offering was the PS4 and Microsoft's offering was the Xbox One. For comparison, a top i7 processor from 2017 is half as fast as my i5 from 2022. And the general hardware improvements are one thing, Valve came out with the Steam Deck, giving Nintendo a run for it's money in the portable console segment.

So Nintendo releasing a successor to Switch is not a matter of if, but a matter of when. And they will have to make something extraordinarily good to sell well without having to drift on the Nintendo fanboyism. It'll have to be as performant if not better as the Steam Deck, that's the baseline they'll have to overcome. Because the Switch formula works well, it's just that the hardware is not up to the task.

 

[Betonhaus]

I'd suspect Nintendo will stick with Arm, The M2 proves that arm chips can be pretty powerful but they're sticking with Nvidia which hasn't indicated that they are pushing hard for cutting edge arm chips

 

[NerdShamer]

but can someone try to explain how divine beasts don’t count as dungeons?

Because they're kind of shorter and significantly less dangerous than conventional dungeons. Ignoring the quest chains to actually get inside them: The elephant was more or less an obstacle course with an actual arena built into it. The bird had it's share of puzzles, but I don't remember fighting anything inside it. The lizard is hardly anything more than an arena if you ignore what's inside it. The camel might be the only thing that comes close to an conventional dungeon considering how complex it is.

However, hardly much of anything happens inside of them, outside of the clones that Ganon made

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

I liked the Divine Beasts.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

but can someone try to explain how divine beasts don’t count as dungeons?

They're dungeons, they just suck ass.

Same type of physics puzzles as all of the shrines, same type of aesthetic among all of them in regards to environment, enemies and bosses...

They're just another symptom of BOTW's main problem, repetitiveness. The divine beasts should have been a point of going back to a more traditional style by having each one being vastly different aesthetically and having more of the classic style of puzzles (which, of course, are nothing special themselves, it's just that at least it would add some much needed variety and be possible nostalgia bait)

That's why I've said from the start that TotK could easily have shit that breaks the repetitiveness that isn't being shown in trailers, but these trailers and the marketing itself have been lame as hell and don't inspire me to buy day 1.

 

[Betonhaus]

Because they're kind of shorter and significantly less dangerous than conventional dungeons. Ignoring the quest chains to actually get inside them: The elephant was more or less an obstacle course with an actual arena built into it. The bird had it's share of puzzles, but I don't remember fighting anything inside it. The lizard is hardly anything more than an arena if you ignore what's inside it. The camel might be the only thing that comes close to an conventional dungeon considering how complex it is.

However, hardly much of anything happens inside of them, outside of the clones that Ganon made

The Divine engine was fairly decent and felt bigger with four rooms on either side, with the boss being a very strong Shine Monk it was fun with the right amount of difficulty.

 

[Anonitolia]

I'm interested to see what will Nintendo do to replace the Switch. Because as much of a golden goose it was, the fuel on this train is running low and they will have to release something newer.

The Switch came out in 2017, making it a last gen console, as it was released when Sony's offering was the PS4 and Microsoft's offering was the Xbox One. For comparison, a top i7 processor from 2017 is half as fast as my i5 from 2022. And the general hardware improvements are one thing, Valve came out with the Steam Deck, giving Nintendo a run for it's money in the portable console segment.

So Nintendo releasing a successor to Switch is not a matter of if, but a matter of when. And they will have to make something extraordinarily good to sell well without having to drift on the Nintendo fanboyism. It'll have to be as performant if not better as the Steam Deck, that's the baseline they'll have to overcome. Because the Switch formula works well, it's just that the hardware is not up to the task.

I'm really curious too
I think Nintendo's gimmick-based philosophy is running low on steam in general; a hybrid console honestly seems like a last-ditch effort compared to completely changing basic control schemes, and the Switch as a whole seemed kind of rushed so that Nintendo had ANYTHING that wasn't the Wii U to sell

It's been at least 15 years since they switched to gimmick-based manufacturing and I think they're starting to realize there's only so much you can do with a game console (emphasis on console- you can do a lot more with handhelds, but it seems like Nintendo isn't returning to those any time soon seeing as they just shot their production of them in the back of the head) to differentiate it without completely fucking up how games work in a way that people probably wouldn't want. Hell, they already got too close to that territory with the Wii U.
I think if Nintendo is ever going to start focusing on specs, they're going to start doing it now. They'll make a "new Switch" that has a different name, different aesthetic, and different way of doing things (maybe they'll replace cartridges again, maybe they'll change the way the controllers attach, I dunno- they'll do something to make it a different console but it'll still be a hybrid) and refine what they started with the Switch.

That, or I'm uncreative and Nintendo EPD already has like 4 ideas lined up for new gimmicks to shill and the Switch isn't going anywhere anytime soon until they're ready for the market

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

It'll have to be as performant if not better as the Steam Deck, that's the baseline they'll have to overcome.

Not really. Despite the system's shortcomings, it is wildly successful. The average person doesn't care about the Switch's specs as long as it can run a game well. Not to mention, that Nintendo has never been one to compete with the console market by improving their system's specs.

I see the "Switch 2" being more like the 3DS XL where it's just better than the first iteration overall. Nintendo doesn't need to try and compete with the Steam Deck, because the Steam Deck is popular for it's ability to emulate and that can only take it so far (that and linux is still a niche OS).

 

[BananaSplit²]

Also RIP. Shame about Sandbro. Are you doing Little Cup?
(And, unrelated, but did you guys get your Stadium 2 (our Stadium 1) on the service, or the original Stadium only in Japan?)

It was a random quick match that you can select from the main menu.
This is also Stadium 2 from Japan, and you can download the emulator apps from the japanese eshop and use them with an active online subscription from a different account (in my case, EU).

The Switch came out in 2017, making it a last gen console

It's a 9th gen console no matter how much westerners try to play mental gymnastics simply because Nintendo doesn't abide by the same priorities that both Sony and Microsoft are following. In spite we've already reached the point of diminished returns. AAA western games are a joke and japanese games certainly aren't powerhouses besides a few franchises.
Both the Switch and Steam Deck also proved to a conclusion that hybrid systems are the future, the number one limit being our current battery tech.



A successor to fix the few shortcomings of the current Switch wouldn't be unwelcome but some folks are overestimating how much the upgrade needs to be.

 

[Two Dollars]

I'm really curious too
I think Nintendo's gimmick-based philosophy is running low on steam in general; a hybrid console honestly seems like a last-ditch effort compared to completely changing basic control schemes

I’ve noticed that a few of Nintendo’s gimmick-heavy franchises got much more traditional Switch releases, particularly Mario Party and WarioWare, which are the first games in their respective series since the Gamecube to get entries that only use button controls.

I think if Nintendo is ever going to start focusing on specs, they're going to start doing it now. They'll make a "new Switch" that has a different name, different aesthetic, and different way of doing things (maybe they'll replace cartridges again, maybe they'll change the way the controllers attach, I dunno- they'll do something to make it a different console but it'll still be a hybrid) and refine what they started with the Switch.

I agree that now is the best time to focus on specs, but something something diminishing returns something scalable visuals etc etc it’s all been said before. And since hybrid is almost definitely the future for Nintendo, I can’t see them ever going too far with power. But I think I’d be happy with a 2024 handheld that’s about as powerful as an Xbox Series S if they can keep the price low enough.

 

[Chiri]

It's a 9th gen console no matter how much westerners try to play mental gymnastics simply because Nintendo doesn't abide by the same priorities that both Sony and Microsoft are following. In spite we've already reached the point of diminished returns.

The Switch being a mid or cross-generation console is a concept I've seen people say somewhat frequently and one I agree with. I don't feel comfortable grouping it with solely the PS4/XBONE or the PS5/XSSX. An argument could be made that it serves an entirely different market than the Xbox and the PlayStation and therefore doesn't belong to any console generation. I also have to disagree with hybrid systems being the future. There will always be an audience for very high spec games so traditional consoles will continue on in coexistence with the Switch and Steam Deck. I don't view it any differently than purely handheld systems coexisting with consoles.

 

[Slav Power]

It was a random quick match that you can select from the main menu.
This is also Stadium 2 from Japan, and you can download the emulator apps from the japanese eshop and use them with an active online subscription from a different account (in my case, EU).


It's a 9th gen console no matter how much westerners try to play mental gymnastics simply because Nintendo doesn't abide by the same priorities that both Sony and Microsoft are following. In spite we've already reached the point of diminished returns. AAA western games are a joke and japanese games certainly aren't powerhouses besides a few franchises.
Both the Switch and Steam Deck also proved to a conclusion that hybrid systems are the future, the number one limit being our current battery tech.

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A successor to fix the few shortcomings of the current Switch wouldn't be unwelcome but some folks are overestimating how much the upgrade needs to be.

By which metrics is it a 9th gen console?

-If we're talking about hardware gimmicks, then fucking PS3 and X360 are "9th gen" because they have about the same feature set as a PS5 and XSX.
-If we're talking about the generation at which a console is being sold, then PS3/X360 are 8th gen because they were sold alongside PS4/XBO.

Console generations were always defined by strides in technology, but by the dawn of the 21st century those strides were no longer monumental in terms of bringing in new technology, and instead those have focused on having better performing hardware by the end of 7th gen.

And in that definition, the Switch, released in 2017, which was the era of 8th gen consoles, still remains an 8th gen console, as it's hardware hasn't became better. But it's really stupid to keep telling yourself that it's a "9th gen" console when it isn't, since the generation classification is meaningless. It's as meaningful as the year of the console's release.

And if you want to make up some stupid argument because you're a massive Nintendo fanboy that cannot accept someone calling your favorite console inferior in some way, here's a thing you can tell yourself to feel better: despite being an 8th gen console it still manages to rival the newest 9th gen consoles purely on the fantastic games in it's library and the unique controller design allowing for better game interactivity.

 

[Pissmaster]

And in that definition, the Switch, released in 2017, which was the era of 8th gen consoles, still remains an 8th gen console, as it's hardware hasn't became better. But it's really stupid to keep telling yourself that it's a "9th gen" console when it isn't, since the generation classification is meaningless. It's as meaningful as the year of the console's release.

The Switch is definitely a 9th generation console because the Wii U was Nintendo's 8th generation console. It released several years after Nintendo's 8th gen machine. It took what worked with the Wii U, axed what didn't, and improved upon it, thus putting it in a future generation.

 

[Becomemysoulreaver12]

The Switch is definitely a 9th generation console because the Wii U was Nintendo's 8th generation console. It released several years after Nintendo's 8th gen machine. It took what worked with the Wii U, axed what didn't, and improved upon it, thus putting it in a future generation.

Yeah, there is no reason to not consider it 9th gen, if it is about the power then why is the wii a 7th gen console when it is way way behind the ps3/360, if it is about when it came out then the dreamcast wouldn't be considered 6th gen as it came out way before the ps2.