Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

they did when they took hainan island from the ROC
Hainan Island is on average less than 20 miles from mainland China and was defended by undersupplied troops recently evacuated from the mainland with no will to fight left. The KMT refused to reinforce or resupply Hainan in favor of bolstering the defense of Taiwan. Crossing 70 miles in the face of a motivated, well supplied enemy with powerful allies is a big apple to Hainan's orange. China never has conducted such an operation before, unless it intends to invade Taiwan with a hodgepodge fleet of civilian fishing junks like it did Hanain lol
 
Bought and paid for by Putin, whose probably living on borrowed time, regardless of the actual outcome of the conflict or all the rumors of his ill health, due simply to his age. Putin is the only thing really holding Russia together at this point, and he's effectively drawn the entire state apparatus around himself. Once he goes, it will all fall like a stack of cards.

Paid for by the Russian power apartatus. Only Chechnya's power elite are specifically Putin Simps, and unless Putin's successor is a complete mong they will happily switch allegiance to the new master.

I guess I woudn't say its completely impossible, but it's about a dozen steps away from those Ethnic republics breaking away.
Russia would have to completely abuse the ethnic elites to the point they don't see any advantages to continuing to submit to Moscow. Then you'd need to have some sort of legit independence movement. They'd also need either a strong local militia (hahahahah) or an international sempai who will protected them from Russia when they want to break away.

"This is a hellish backwater, but I have total control".
 
Well its not US woodland set up but nature is healing and Bradley's about to do what they been created to
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Anyone seen Feline Supremacist around lately? I had the same idea.
didn't feline say that that's her Twitter like 2months back in "why Ukraine is gay" or the other containment thread?
That would be funny if you could find that post, but I really doubt it. She posted this about 15 hours ago:
Well, she's not a Donbass Girl, for one and she solicited donations and sold merch to support "our boys at the front" and help the people of Donbass. Since it's illegal (sanctions) to give money to the Russian military, she was ether lying or subject to prosecution herself. My bet is on the former,

(Not directly quoting to avoid inviting drama.)

Doesn't sound like they're the same person, or even that she approves of her.
 
So rate me autistic but:

Feline mentions having a Twitter (2019)
Feline mentions having trouble with Twitter (Oct 16 2020)
Feline maintains a cat Twitter account (May 26 2021)
Feline claimed to be 23 but Twitter refused to believe it (Feb 10 2022)
Feline denies using Twitter (Oct 3 2022)

Feline calls Donbass Devushka a tranny lover
Feline also lives in New York rather than Washington

TLDR there's not even slight evidence that they're the same, except for similar views

Now for a random news article (slightly old)

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No gun is an odd look.
General Dyanamics start a new collab with Bud Light's crazy tranny?
Either painting the barrel or maintenance on it on the field making sure it's clean off screen due the 25mm on it is considered a small arms and any technician and armorer needs to know how to clear and clean the bradley autocanon
 
I watched this video earlier and lot of good points were made. The first thing I want to get out of the way is that the T-55's are being sent to the front lines. I know the vatniggers like to cope post about how the T-62's would be used in the rear. But that was proved to be nothing but copium because they were found in the front by Ukrainians. Captured and proven. So the T-55's will be sent to the front just as suspected. Russia has been buying artillery shells from Iran. 100mm artillery shells. It's supposedly a good shell but Russia doesn't have any 100mm guns. guns. They have some MT-12's which I believe are anti-tank guns though they might be used for indirect fire as well. Look it up because it looks like something from WW2. It's actually from the 1970's. I already knew what they were talking about. I saw a video on YouTube of some East German NVA using them during firing practice in the 80's. The problem is these guns are static. Meaning they are going to get wrecked by counter battery fire. The Russians have to use whatever trucks they have to carry ammo and supplies so they can't wait around to haul the guns off after they fire.

Now the other source of 100mm guns is the T-55's. The Russians are going to turn the T-55's into SPG's supposedly. That's what was said in the video. They are going to load them up with those 100mm shells from Iran and use them as artillery support assault guns or whatever. I have heard the 100mm shells from Iran are pretty good though. Too bad they are going to be put into a tank and sent to the front lines to pop the turret off a tank from the late 40's. Like Lazer Pig said, it's like the US sending M-48's to Iraq in ODS. This is a huge embarrassment for Russia and if they aren't they should feel very embarrassed by this. Having to depend on Iran and North Korea for supplies. Having to use very early cold war tanks as SPG's and static 100MM guns that look like something from WW2. Russia's days as a superpower are over. This war in Ukraine has proven that. It has shown the world Russia is not a superpower. That's even more damaging than anything in this war. Decades of reputation and prestige flushed down the toilet in a year.

Another good point made is the constant talk of Ukraine running out of artillery ammo. Which isn't exactly the case as explained in the video. Thanks to the increased accuracy of the Western artillery the Ukrainians are using they should be using less artillery than the Russians. It seems the Russians are known to be Artillery happy. They really like to use it a lot. Remember when the vatniggers were claiming that the Russians heavy use of artillery was a good sign? Well that actually isn't true. As people pointed out months ago when they were bragging about it. You want to use your artillery as little as possible and conserve it. Not dump artillery rounds all over the place. This is what the Russians did. Now they are buying shells from Iran and resorting to using static guns and obsolete tanks as SPG's. Good job Russia.


Here is the video of the East Germans using the MT-12.

A more modern video with the MT-12. They say it can penetrate a tank. I don't think they mean a modern Western tank.


The same Kiwifarms experts in military tactics that assured us the Russians would beat Ukraine faster than the US beat Iraq are all there telling their expert predictions on what would happen should China invade Tawian. It's like a convention for the most inaccurate fortune tellers.
The only thing dumber than a vatnigger is a Chinaboo. They seem to be the same thing in some cases. The dumb shits who think Russia is strong also think Commie chink China is strong well. Though the Chinese military is just a copy of the old Soviet military. Most of their stuff is just copies of Russian stuff with some minor improvements.
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I'm saying it's going to take much more than just Russia being weak. The leadership of the territories is 100% Ruskie buck-broken with not much in the way of alternatives waiting in the wings for the most part.

That's not as stupid as you think given Russia's organization and regarding the humans involved as interchangable parts. Some Russian Naval formations have mechanized arms (like how the US Marines had tank divisions until recently; don't get me started there) only instead of branch-wide formations each brigade is expected to be self-sufficient. Thus all Marines are sailor and all sailors are potential marines.

Ship is in port and not leaving, Comrade. Time to get in tank for mother land. It is like small ship for land! Smedvaka!

I'm not. Someone has to print out the slides for the weekly briefing packet. I'm more surprised that he wasn't caught slippin' before this, but I guess Chairforce + Nasty Girl.

Also a bunch of really stupid shit is classed as Secret/Top Secret, shit any adversary very clearly knows. tl;dr its about making sure that even if they know it, they can't confirm it.
I don't see it happening either.

That makes sense. They are like Russian version of US Marines. I thought they took some guys off a ship. They do call the top part of the tank a deck. lol

I just figured someone with some seniority would handle anything that was really important. I guess that's what they get for leaving it up to 21 year old flunky.
@No. 7 cat
Conflicts ranging from the Papal States in the 19th century Catholics from all over Europe volunteered to help the Holy Father resist the Garabaldians and Sardinians to the Spanish Civil War where volunteers from all over the world flocked to help the Republic (and some the Franquists / Nationalists). And for this war, foreign volunteers or neighborhood volunteers like the Georgian Legion have been in the field since 2014. This war has seen crowd funded Toyota HiLux / Tacomas pickups or Landcruiser jeeps, helicopters and drones funded by paid for by donations by people who never were in Ukraine. Unlike equipment pledged at summits, these can arrive faster and, as with Baykar, the maker might donate extra vehicles which boosts their own reputation, which for a business is precious. People do what they like with their money and for them Putin and his slaves are as popular as cancer. While the UA govt isn't spotless (think of the sketchy Defense Minister), the Putin despotism is both repellent and incompetent except possibly with propaganda but unfortunately for Putin he too is reportedly entranced by it.

Returning to donations, Aliexpress drones are sometimes donated personally and can be put to work spotting (and with modification) bombing. Denys Davydov, an exiled native of Sevastopol, civilian airline pilot and vlogger donated his Ural Dalesman which he had got, presumably for a road trip for himself and his wife.

Putinbots and their foreign dupes or Russian private donors can be vocal but they are either poor or mean. Think of that, I know of a smart area in a European city which also has the the Russian Embassy. The residents put up some very well made UA flags to show solidarity which translates into donations.

Now there are also scammers, but overall, crowdfunding has been key to this war, it seems to me.

It can look cringe and maybe is, but it helps. Survival or victory isn't cringe for Ukrainians. If Ukraine had fallen, Poland and other neighbors would be next.

What works is right. Always.
Donating stuff to the war effort isn't like putting a Ukrainian flag in your avatar and going around spamming Slava Ukraini everywhere. That's like the kind of shit normies do on social media. Like whenever something happens they put flags in their avatars. That's what I am talking about.

I can understand Europeans being concerned because they don't have an ocean between them and Russia.

I doubt Russia would invade Poland because it's a member of NATO. Ukraine never got NATO status. I don't think the Russians are stupid or crazy enough to mess with a NATO member. They invaded Ukraine because they thought they could pull it off. They know they can't stand up to NATO.
 
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What's the point of seniority if you can't order junior officers to do all the boring paperwork for you?
There is a big difference between "hey, go get me a coffee" and "hey, take care of these sensitive intelligence documents".

They can keep doing shit the stupid way. It just provides us with funny stories of Zoomer broke brains doing dumb shit while at work.
 
TLDR there's not even slight evidence that they're the same, except for similar views
All a clever long-term KGB misinformation campaign. Bait taken, hook swallowed, SMH. Shamfur.

The Russians are going to turn the T-55's into SPG's supposedly. That's what was said in the video. They are going to load them up with those 100mm shells from Iran and use them as artillery support assault guns or whatever.
That's about the only thing you could do. Which makes me wonder:
US Post-WWII tanks up to the Abrams IIRC (and I believe removed in the A2 version of the M60) had instrumentation to allow them to be turned into indirect fire artillery pieces if needed due to experiences in WWII. I'm curious if the T-55 has similar sights or if its going to be Smedvka.

That makes sense. They are like Russian version of US Marines. I thought they took some guys off a ship. They do call the top part of the tank a deck. lol
They did take a bunch of guys off the ships and put them with the marines. They are just all mobliks and in the eyes of command equally worthless.
 
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All a clever long-term KGB misinformation campaign. Bait taken, hook swallowed, SMH. Shamfur.


That's about the only thing you could do. Which makes me wonder:
US Post-WWII tanks up to the Abrams IIRC (and I believe removed in the A2 version of the M60) had instrumentation to allow them to be turned into indirect fire artillery pieces if needed due to experiences in WWII. I'm curious if the T-55 has similar sights or if its going to be Smedvka.


They did take a bunch of guys off the ships and put them with the marines. They are just all mobliks and in the eyes of command equally worthless.
If the US was still willing to use even newer cold war tanks as the M-60 and even Abrams as mobile artillery I imagine the T-55 has sights for that as well. But it's only a 100mm gun and the barrel can only elevate so much. Those T-55's are going to have to get pretty damned close to be used that way. Which means they are going to get hit hard. But I am sure it will make some pretty interesting war porn for weirdos like me. lol
 
If the US was still willing to use even newer cold war tanks as the M-60 and even Abrams as mobile artillery I imagine the T-55 has sights for that as well. But it's only a 100mm gun and the barrel can only elevate so much. Those T-55's are going to have to get pretty damned close to be used that way. Which means they are going to get hit hard. But I am sure it will make some pretty interesting war porn for weirdos like me. lol

Abrams doesn't have it, never did. And I believe the M60 dropped it when it got up-gunned or shortly after (I believe the A2) but don't quote me on that. The instruments got use in Korea but they weren't very useful in Vietnam a decade later- tl;dr you needed to put the tanks on a ramp to get the needed elevation on the gun, and doing the needed earth moving meant they couldn't be pressed in to service quickly.
Given the shift to mobile war + airpower + artillery range/accuracy improvements, it made tanks as improvised artillery seem like juice that just wasn't worth the squeeze. And add to that improvements in tank guns/sights that meant that your tank could act as a direct-fire SPG if needed.

I'm not sure if the Soviets would have put it on the T-55 because artillery sighting is very finnicky. Incredibly fine woopsies of fractions of a millimeter on the sight translate into dozens of meters of inaccuracy when the shell reaches its target. This means its fairly expensive and to keep it in a useable state requires maintenance.
 
Abrams doesn't have it, never did. And I believe the M60 dropped it when it got up-gunned or shortly after (I believe the A2) but don't quote me on that. The instruments got use in Korea but they weren't very useful in Vietnam a decade later- tl;dr you needed to put the tanks on a ramp to get the needed elevation on the gun, and doing the needed earth moving meant they couldn't be pressed in to service quickly.
Given the shift to mobile war + airpower + artillery range/accuracy improvements, it made tanks as improvised artillery seem like juice that just wasn't worth the squeeze. And add to that improvements in tank guns/sights that meant that your tank could act as a direct-fire SPG if needed.

I'm not sure if the Soviets would have put it on the T-55 because artillery sighting is very finnicky. Incredibly fine woopsies of fractions of a millimeter on the sight translate into dozens of meters of inaccuracy when the shell reaches its target. This means its fairly expensive and to keep it in a useable state requires maintenance.
I'm guessing the M-47 and M-48 had the artillery sights. Imagine putting artillery sights on a tank and having to make a dirt ramp for them to elevate the gun. The Russians want to use the T-55 as an SPG. Each time they fire they have to move to avoid counter battery fire. That means they will need new ramps. It's going to be a bitch.
 
I'm guessing the M-47 and M-48 had the artillery sights. Imagine putting artillery sights on a tank and having to make a dirt ramp for them to elevate the gun. The Russians want to use the T-55 as an SPG. Each time they fire they have to move to avoid counter battery fire. That means they will need new ramps. It's going to be a bitch.
Question: how viable is it to throw high explosives via direct fire, the same way you'd be trying to hit a tank?

If I'm not wrong the Germans thought of doing that with the StuG series in ww2, and their firing range was expected to be 2+km

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Yes, perhaps earthworks and sandbags might take a lot of the impact, but perhaps those wouldnt always be available, eg, when infantry goes on the attack. Also, it's not like the same doesnt apply to bullets, do we not consider machine-guns to be viable?
 
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Question: how viable is it to throw high explosives via direct fire, the same way you'd be trying to hit a tank?

If I'm not wrong the Germans thought of doing that with the StuG series in ww2, and their firing range was expected to be 2+km
You can do it. It would work. It's just not the best way to do it. You mean like line of sight? There were assault guns used in WW2. It's a pretty old concept. People stopped doing it. They started doing it with mortars artillery and planes. The problem is if you can see what you are shooting at, they can probably see you or will see you.

Here is another video of the Russians firing a MT-12 at a fuel truck.


It's direct fire line of sight.

Modern technology has made doing this obsolete.
 
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