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Experiences of violence in the delivery room​

During childbirth, many women feel they are victims of physical and psychological violence in the form of unannounced, painful grips on their abdomens and humiliation. Complaints are made about the lack of education. The "Kristeller maneuver" is also medically controversial.
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Between 82,000 and 86,000 children are born in Austria every year, 98.5 percent of them in a hospital. There are no surveys on how many women experience violence in the delivery room during childbirth. Subjective perception also plays a major role. However, women often describe great pain during the "Kristeller maneuver." This is when a doctor or midwife presses on the upper abdomen during the contraction to speed up the birth of the baby. Peter Husslein used to head Austria's largest maternity ward at Vienna General Hospital. His research influences how babies are born here: "We tried to find out with a study at the hospital whether the 'Kristeller hand hold' is basically useful, and there the answer was quite clear: No."

"Kristeller handle" has a tradition
Until the 1990s, the handgrip, which was developed as early as 1867 by German gynecologist Samuel Kristeller, was routinely used in nearly a quarter of all births under the motto "Faster with Kristeller." "There is no question that it is a physical assault for a woman if someone stands at the head of the bed and, without explaining anything, presses massively on the upper abdomen," Husslein told "Thema" and "ZIB Magazine." It could, of course, lead to birth injuries, because the head does not slowly but quickly stretch the soft tissues, the vagina and the vulva.

Binding conditions for application

The benefits are scientifically disputed and the risk of injury is high. In the United Kingdom and Norway, the "Kristeller hand grip" is not used, and in Germany, individual clinics have banned it, according to an article in "Die Hebamme. In 2020, the Austrian Society of Gynecology and Obstetrics regulated the handgrip in its "S3 Guideline on Vaginal Delivery at Term." "Fundal pressure" should only be considered in an emergency. Conditions: Consent including veto right of the woman and continuous communication.

Communication crucial
Psychotherapist Daniela Venturini cares for women who have suffered birth trauma. "If she (the woman giving birth, note) understands what exactly is being done, recognizes the meaningfulness and is self-determined, then she can also integrate great pain well: 'I'll push along a bit' is not enough as an explanation for the 'Kristeller hand grip'." The possible consequences of trauma are depression, anxiety disorders and post-traumatic stress disorder, he said. This also strongly influences the mother-child bond, which in turn influences the child's development. "Communication with the woman during childbirth determines whether she can handle it well, not the administration of painkillers," Venturini concludes from her study "Cesarean, vaginal and natural childbirth." She is able to quantify the vulnerability of childbearing women: "There is no time when women are more likely to experience a mental illness than during the pregnancy, birth, postpartum window. Eleven percent of all women develop depression, anxiety disorders, obsessive-compulsive disorders here for the first time in their lives."

Those affected speak of "ordeal"
Andrea Nikowitz gave birth to her daughter in October 2020 in Vienna, Veronika Konrad to her son six years ago. They experienced the births as a psychological and physical ordeal. Nikowitz told ORF that a midwife's sayings sent her into a panic. Konrad said she was scolded and a military tone prevailed. But both were particularly imprinted with a situation in the delivery room during the pushing contractions. "I was lying on my back like a bug, they were holding my legs and pushing from behind my head with full force on my belly. I screamed in pain, and afterwards my belly was all blue."

Serious consequences
The "Kristeller maneuver" was used on both Nikowitz and Konrad, according to their statements without education. Nikowitz was discharged after the birth in severe pain - a sacral fracture, it later turned out. Numerous doctor visits followed, and she suffered from panic attacks and anxiety. She saved herself by making music, taking photographs and following a mindfulness program for trauma management on the Internet. Konrad does osteopathic therapy with her son. She hasn't gotten over the birth trauma well: "Every birthday is an anniversary when everything comes up."

Clinics apologize
Andreas Brandstetter, head of the maternity department at St. Josef Hospital, where Nikowitz had given birth, told ORF: "Ms. Nikowitz was not picked up well emotionally by our midwife, and I am simply sorry for that. I can only apologize for that." The Hietzing Clinic, where Konrad had given birth to her son in 2017, also asked for an apology. Both clinics said there had been no alternative to the "Kristeller procedure" because the birth had to go quickly due to the child's poor heart tones.

Telling the experience of violence
On the homepage of Roses Revolution Austria there are numerous stories - most of them anonymous - of humiliation, unannounced, painful handholds and abuse of power by midwives and doctors during childbirth. Founder and midwife Margarete Wana noted that there is a lot of shame surrounding the issue. "'Just be happy you have a healthy baby!" women often hear. It's an important step for them to be believed for once." The elective midwife calls for better patient education, more staff in hospitals and, above all, targeted communication training in their education. And she wants to encourage women to share their experiences and also confront hospitals about them.

Contact points for those affected
The majority of Austria's maternity wards also offer psychological support. If the hospital staff does not point this out themselves, it is advisable for mothers and their companions to inquire about it. Clinics with psychiatric departments can also be points of contact. The clinics of the Vienna Health Network each have their own ombudsman's office. Legally, after traumatizing birth experiences, the interests of those affected are to be represented by patient ombudsmen. There is one in each federal state, and there are also other contact points. In Vienna, the Nanaya - Center for Pregnancy, Birth and Life with Children is a non-profit association that has also established itself as a contact point for help in crises. For pregnant women with a previous stress - be it from a past difficult birth or from another social, psychological or medical crisis - there is the possibility of free prenatal care in Vienna by a midwife from the Midwife Center Vienna as part of the pilot project. The UNUM Institute is a trauma and pain competence center that is currently seeking to combine offers of help for stressful pregnancies and births from a wide variety of fields into an Austria-wide network called "TrauBe" (for trauma care) in all provinces. "TrauBe" is only in the process of being established, contact can be made by mail to office@unum.institute. There is the possibility of contacting psychotherapists with a focus on pregnancy and birth. However, the costs are to be borne by the patients themselves, except for the amounts subsidized by the respective health insurance.​

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The "Kristeller maneuver" was used on both Nikowitz and Konrad, according to their statements without education. Nikowitz was discharged after the birth in severe pain - a sacral fracture, it later turned out. Numerous doctor visits followed, and she suffered from panic attacks and anxiety. She saved herself by making music, taking photographs and following a mindfulness program for trauma management on the Internet. Konrad does osteopathic therapy with her son. She hasn't gotten over the birth trauma well: "Every birthday is an anniversary when everything comes up."
I fractured my tailbone years ago and, yes, it hurt like an absolute motherfucker, but I didn't have "panic attacks" or need a "mindfulness program" to "manage my trauma".

God, women are absolutely insufferable in any language.

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Even when they have a completely legitimate, actionable medical grievance, women still sabotage themselves by focusing exclusively on their immediate emotional state.

 
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there had been no alternative to the "Kristeller procedure" because the birth had to go quickly due to the child's poor heart tones.
Then why are they blaming the doctors?
following a mindfulness program
Doctors like telling people to do a mindfulness program for pain. They don't work for severe pain. It's a way for doctors to not prescribe pain medication to avoid risk.

These people have previous mental issues.
 
I'm not so quick to judge these claims. A lot of frankly unacceptable shit has been happening in maternity wards for years culminating in the last three years where the abuse of the mother/baby ratcheted up. This is on top of shit like unnecessary c-sections, cutting the cord too soon and bullshit hepatitis vaccine the second the baby exits the birthing canal.

My wife says if she had to do it all over again, she would choose home birth with a midwife of her choosing.
 
I'm not so quick to judge these claims. A lot of frankly unacceptable shit has been happening in maternity wards for years culminating in the last three years where the abuse of the mother/baby ratcheted up. This is on top of shit like unnecessary c-sections, cutting the cord too soon and bullshit hepatitis vaccine the second the baby exits the birthing canal.

My wife says if she had to do it all over again, she would choose home birth with a midwife of her choosing.
There are good arguments to be made for that and none of them involve the meandering wishy-washy, navel-gazing solipsistic nonsense in this article.
 
My last pregnancy was lovely, the birth was awful. I guess it would be “traumatic” by these people’s definition.

It was just bad luck, I had a doula and midwife, we did a bunch of stuff with breathing and positions and we still had complications. Rather than be mad about it, I was grateful that a situation was resolved that would have killed the baby and me only a century ago.
 
There are good arguments to be made for that and none of them involve the meandering wishy-washy, navel-gazing solipsistic nonsense in this article.
I get it and generally agree but shit like this is unacceptable.

Konrad said she was scolded and a military tone prevailed. But both were particularly imprinted with a situation in the delivery room during the pushing contractions. "I was lying on my back like a bug, they were holding my legs and pushing from behind my head with full force on my belly. I screamed in pain, and afterwards my belly was all blue."

I really do wonder if the father was present and reacted. I bet this type of shit increased during the 'rona where the father wasn't allowed in the delivery room for Reasons™


Regardless, every day we get closer to TMPD.
 
I thought this was going to be about dads refusing to let their wives get epidurals and fighting with staff, or mom giving birth to a kid that definitely isn't the fathers, and dad's not too pleased.
That probably would have made for a better article. Or at least a more entertaining one.
 
I really do wonder if the father was present and reacted. I bet this type of shit increased during the 'rona where the father wasn't allowed in the delivery room for Reasons™
A lot.

You should hear the bitching and moaning on forums for medical professionals now that they have to let those stupid annoying loved ones back in. These people have zero self-awareness. I know good and well that lots of people are ignorant, overbearing, or irritating when their relative is sick and in pain and in the hospital. But professionals should be able to take questions and push-back in stride. If a procedure is legit, you should be able to explain why it is legit, in simple plain lay language, either before or afterwards (depending on the acuity of the situation). If you bristle at being asked to justify your invasive, uncomfortable, or even excruciating procedure to an upset loved one, maybe you're not confident enough in your clinical judgment.

Everyone in the hospital is a sitting duck to some degree, but few are as vulnerable as women in childbirth. The process has its own timetable and agenda and she's completely at the mercy of it. Anyone else who wants to get in the way can make her life worse in any number of ways and there is nothing she can do about it. These are young, healthy people who most of the time have no experience with the medical system up to this point beyond routine checkups and little bumps and bruises. They don't have the advocacy experience of an 80 year old widower who saw his wife through cancer, or even a middle aged woman who has been taking care of dad and her kids for 20 years. This is why women giving birth are such cash cows for hucksters too- anyone who can persuade them that they know what they're talking about gets the time of day because these are babes in the woods, lost without a map.
 
I fractured my tailbone years ago and, yes, it hurt like an absolute motherfucker, but I didn't have "panic attacks" or need a "mindfulness program" to "manage my trauma".

God, women are absolutely insufferable in any language.
It does hurt. If the medical staff who saw you after had mocked you or told you to bugger off and stop moaning becasue you hadn’t broken anything sognificant I imagine you’d be annoyed about that? It’s not the fact bad things happen - birth is unpredictable and messy. It’s the way women are treated that leaves the awful feeling. You’re so vulnerable in that situation and they should be saying ‘this is going wrong, we need to do x, breathe deeply, and afterwards they need to reassure the patient. That doesn’t happen.
There are good arguments to be made for that and none of them involve the meandering wishy-washy, navel-gazing solipsistic nonsense in this article.
The article is a bit fluffy, but the experience of a ‘bad’ birth is horrific, and women can be treated terribly. I have one friend who’s pelvis was cracked in two places during a forceps delivery plus coccyx fracture. She lost almost two lites of blood, denied a transfusion, and when she couldn’t walk properly afterwards she was told she was moaning. It took her almost a year to get an X ray on her pelvis by which time some of the damage had healed (badly) and she needed an operation to re break the coccyx and fix it. I know one woman who was given stitches on a fourth degree tear ‘nice and tight for your husband.’ Women who have had third and fourth degree tears sewn up so badly by juniors with zero anaesthesia . I know a woman who’s baby died during a c section and she was mocked by the staff. I know someone who’s anaesthetic wore off during the section and she was not believed at first when she said ‘I can feel what you’re doing.’ I have nerve damage in a hip from being manhandled.
Almost every woman I know has a tale of being made to feel like shit. I’ve given birth in two different countries and I started taking my husband with me to appointments because the way they treated me changed dramatically when he was there. He actually said to me that it shocked him and changed his mind on how women can be treated - and most of the worst offenders were other women.
So, none of them knew how childbirth worked going in?
Some women are woefully underprepared and some antenatal classes are absolutely shit. I went to some and left becasue it was all ‘breathe the baby out’ and one woman who asked about ‘what is the best way to cope with x and y issues?’ Was told not to be negative. What I hear from a lot of first time mums is that they had no idea it was so painful and they felt lied to.
Having said that even mums who do know are often treated really badly. My friend who had the broken pelvis was in a ward after (uk maternity wards are their own hell) separated by a thin curtain from others who had entire families in eating stinky takeaways, one bloke kept peeping through her curtain, men using the toilets meant for women etc. oh and no painkillers either. Women who needed catheters changed ignored, just hellish. Even if you have a c section you’ll only get a paracetamol offer and that you have to ask for - you may or may not persuade the staff to stop talking about last nights TV and give you said paracetamol.
The article isnt well written but the issue behind it really is real.
 
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Horrible shit to read, made worse because of how truly banal this type of abuse is. What should be a joyous occasion is turned into a traumatic event by the barely 100 iq cattle that are hired to administer the "care".

Between that, the symptom management philosophy (vs curative or preventive) and the serious ethical violations of the last 3 years, and we are closer to TMPD than any of those smug cocksuckers think. Already you can see on social media people who have had their loved ones murdered via bullshit vent/remdesivir protocol and vaccine injuries are either being mocked or just ignored. When enough incidents collect and they try to damage control "it was never mandatory, you chose to do it" you're gonna see some festivities.
 
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made worse because of how truly banal this type of abuse is.
The normalisation of complete disregard for patients is widespread. I know an elderly consultant rheumatologist through work and she’s disgusted at how patients are treated these days in the NHS. She’s always ranting about how she’d have bollocked anyone who spoke to a patient like she hears now.
It’s takes very little to make most normal patients feel ok. Explain what’s happening, use the very basic level of respect and bedside manner, and most of the time you DO have time to do that. If it’s an emergency, say so. ‘We have to do this.’ During, if conscious ‘YOURE doing well, yes it’s painful, it will be a couple of minutes, I’m saying supportive things to you!’ And then afterwards you’re supposed to get a debrief. This is the point where a lot of the unpleasantness can be removed. ‘We had to do x because the baby was in distress. I recognise that was painful and unpleasant but it was essential - you did really well. Is there anything you’d like to ask or talk about re: that?’ Instead you get ‘shut up you have a healthy baby’ and then a year later ‘oh year we broke your pelvis! No we won’t be apologising.’ The contextualisation of what happened is absent.
Imagine if as a man you went in for a prostate op, they brought a gaggle of students round to poke you with no explanation or asking, they shouted at you if you said you had pain and they stitched you up with no anaesthetic. Your urine bag is left unachanged, and you’re in a ward with women looking through your curtains and giggling . You’d be fucking furious.
 
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