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Jackie Green: Hello, welcome to my channel.
My name is Jackie or Jackie Pie Crusts as some people may know me.
Today I thought I’d do a little reaction video to something that was posted a
couple of years ago now by someone called Keeley J something or Posie Parker I
think is the other name she goes by.
I don’t know much about her aside from her being a TERF.
She’s not the nicest of people from what I hear.
But she posted a video a couple of years ago about
doing a breakdown of my mum’s TED talk about me because I’m fabulous.
And yeah, it seems she’s had a lot to say about me in the press.
So I’m going to do a little breakdown of her video.
So we’re going to see how that goes and I hope it’s entertaining.
I don’t feel like it’s going to be very entertaining for me.
I feel like I’m going to be cringing the whole way through.
But we’ll see.
We’ll see what happens.
We’ll see what happens.
Anyway, without further ado, let’s get into it.
Let’s get into it.
Oh, this is a bad.
Oh, I don’t like that.
That’s uncomfortable.
That is uncomfortable.
Well OK, let’s not let’s not delay it.
Oi oi.
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Jackie Green: Did that just say a little grooming helps?
Jackie Green: Wow, that is bold.
Oh my goodness.
That is bold.
I’m kind of shocked by that.
She said my mum’s cold and calculated.
You know her so well.
I haven’t seen this yet. So I’m kind of nervous. Kind of nervous.
Sinister, pfft.
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Her daughter. Thank you very much. Bitch.
I mean I will say yeah it is kind of complicated and hard to be happy about
being trans when people are always being so negative and rude and just straight
up mean online.
Like literally making us feel like invalid human beings like I mean just
because we… our choices differ.
I mean for me I wouldn’t even say it was a choice but anyway I digress.
I’ll let you continue with your bullshit.
She did do the right thing.
She did do the right thing.
For me a hundred million percent.
Mummy! She’s so tan! Wow.
You’ve definitely been on holiday before this.
You’re so tan.
Excuse my sniffing.
All the cocaine.
No, it’s not.
It’s hay fever.
It’s sass.
Posie Parker: [These children] think that they were born in the wrong sex.
Jackie Green: I was.
No! She’s rich.
Posie Parker: That child associated being a boy, or being a girl, with
some things that he could or couldn’t do.
Jackie Green: Hmm. I mean… yeah, I guess.
What? There’s an obvious difference between genders.
And I noticed that.
I realized that.
And I realized that that meant that I wasn’t meant to be a boy.
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You’re… this isn’t a good start.
You’re already confusing me.
Maybe it’s because I’m so self-assured and I just don’t know what’s coming out
of your mouth.
Do you know what? I actually don’t get that one either.
Sorry, Mum.
I don’t get that one at all.
But that’s fine.
You do you, Mumma.
You do you.
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Oh, so she’s trying to say that my Mum’s stuff…
Mum’s…
I don’t know.
She’s trying to say that it was my Mum’s fault.
So not true.
That’s so not true.
Because like, I said to my Mum…
I don’t even know.
I don’t remember when I first said it.
But I was the one who always said to my Mum, like, this is wrong.
I’m meant to be a girl.
I was born in the wrong body.
Like…
I was saying that since I was like three or four.
Like, I was so young.
And it wasn’t like… nothing had really happened at that point.
I was just like, I definitely… I’m definitely a girl.
Like, I’m not a boy.
I like the girl stuff.
I’m friends with all the girls.
Again, it’s kind of hard to describe it, because obviously if I just say, oh, I
like the girl stuff, it’s like, you could just be a gay boy who likes girl toys
and stuff.
But it’s like, it was deeper than that.
It was deeper.
It was… in my heart.
In my soul, baby.
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Susie Green: She hates this picture she says it makes her look
like a member of The Village People.
Jackie Green: Yeah, I’m not a fan.
what? I never said that.
I don’t like that photo at all.
But I don’t know what The Village People look like.
So I’m pretty sure I didn’t say that.
But yeah, it’s okay.
Cool.
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Fit photo.
That’s a good photo of me.
I look good.
And yeah, loads of people don’t like their kids’ photos.
What are you talking about? Some of my friends really don’t like their kids’
photos.
Their cis friends as well.
Like, friends that, you know, nothing to do with the trans world.
They really don’t like their kids’ photos.
So, I disagree with you there.
You’re wrong.
Or maybe it’s an age thing as well.
Maybe when you get older, maybe that’s what it is.
Because obviously, I’m still quite… kind of young.
Maybe as you get older, you start to go, oh, look at the past.
I don’t think I will, because my photos suck.
Because half of them don’t… they’re not me.
They’re like a different person, almost.
I don’t know how to describe it.
It’s very weird.
It’s a feeling.
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Posie Parker: There’s something about the picture that she chooses here.
Jackie Green: Of course there is.
Posie Parker: I find it really interesting, because if I was to show you a
picture of my daughter, it wouldn’t be in a bikini top with her breasts sloping
down.
Jackie Green: Why are you looking at my tits, pervert? With big glasses on.
Posie Parker: It would probably be a relatively wholesome photo.
I mean, that’s just me being picky.
But there’s something deeply…
I find this quite uncomfortable.
That out of all the pictures of Jackie she chose to put up for everybody to
see, knowing it was going on the internet, it was this particular picture.
Jackie Green: I chose this photo.
My mum came to me and she said to me, I need to do a slideshow for a TED Talk,
and this and that, and I want to know which photos of you I can use.
And I said, you can use that one, you can use this one, you can use that one.
So I pretty much approved all the photos in this video.
They were my choice.
Because I thought I looked good in this photo.
Now you’re just sexualizing me.
You’re a bit weird.
You’re a bit strange, lady.
Because these were all my choice.
Thank you.
Posie Parker: And I really do think that is a broad kind of feeling I have
about this whole episode.
This whole transing of kids, this whole weird thing that Susan Green is
involved in.
Jackie Green: Transing.
It’s along the lines of grooming.
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Posie Parker: I would say that my daughter probably identified more
strongly with feminine stuff, but I think that’s because she had two older
brothers.
I don’t think you can separate that stuff out.
So I find all her comments really interesting.
Jackie Green: You know, she’s not saying that it’s just about the toys.
These are just markers.
These are like one piece of the puzzle that go to show what made her feel, or
decide to believe me basically.
But that’s what it was.
This whole process was me convincing my mum that I was a girl.
It wasn’t her trying to convert me or groom me into being this fucking,
whatever the hell you want it to be.
It’s, you’re wrong.
What are you talking about?
It’s just one of the many, one of the many signs that made it all click, I guess.
I did love dressing up.
Still do.
Love it.
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Susie Green: So, Jackie’s dad struggled and he blamed me.
Jackie Green: Yeah, my poor dad. He was…
Susie Green: His thoughts were that because I allowed the Polly Pocket and the My Little
Pony.
Jackie Green: Yeah, it was hard growing up with my dad sometimes.
Posie Parker: This, now, I’ll let you listen, make up your own mind.
Susie Green: I was facilitating and encouraging.
Jackie Green: I’m going to say it.
Sure, my dad, he did have a hard time accepting who I was for a long time.
Like, it took a good few years for him to really come around.
Now, though, he’s great.
My dad is amazing.
He’s one of my besties.
We’re going on a trip at some point soon.
So, it’s fine.
I forgive him.
And he’s apologised for his misgivings and all his nonsense.
Susie Green: What I had come to the conclusion with over the years up until
she was about two was that I had a very sensitive, quite effeminate little boy
who was probably gay.
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Posie Parker: Age two.
Jackie Green: Shut up with your dramatic hands.
Posie Parker: She thought he was effeminate and sensitive and probably gay.
I want to know, and you can leave a message in the comments, how many of us
have children that we even think about their sexuality at age two? That we’re
making any assumptions about their behaviour and linking it to sexuality.
This is really just…
It’s like she’s either retrospectively sort of making this up or attributing
stuff that wasn’t really there or she genuinely had a very fixed idea about
what a boy should be.
Jackie Green: I don’t know for this. For this bit I don’t know. Pretty sure
she wasn’t though. My mum is very honest.
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Susie Green: And all the girl toys, all girly toys as such, were taken away
and put away and Jack was made aware that this was not appropriate.
Posie Parker: There goes the trauma.
Now, she’s splitting between ages.
I’m going to give her the benefit of the doubt here.
Jackie Green: Oh, wow.
Posie Parker: And I’m going to say it didn’t happen at two years old.
I mean, I may correct myself in a minute, but I’m going to say it didn’t happen
at two years old.
I think this is when he was four.
So in his formative years, before he’s gone to school, he has expressed a
desire to play with dolls, wearing dresses, having pocket pockets, probably
absolutely loving those tiny little things, enjoying himself.
Jackie Green: You’re right there.
Posie Parker: And his father not only had made it clear that he didn’t like
his effeminate behaviour, but he’d also taken all of his toys away.
Jackie Green: I like how she keeps calling me
he.
Posie Parker: Now, I want you to imagine, any of you that are parents or
have any knowledge of children at all, imagine taking all of their favourite
toys away because you didn’t like the fact that they liked them and they were
for girls.
So take a boy and you say to that boy, you can’t have these because they’re for
girls.
What do you think that boy is going to do? Do you think maybe he’s going to say
that he is a girl? I said it before then.
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Jackie Green: I was saying it before then, before the toys got taken away.
You’re wrong.
Get a grip.
You’re off your tits, love.
You’re off your tits.
You’re off your tits, mate.
Go sit down.
Posie Parker: And a suddenly confident, happy little boy became quite
quiet, withdrawn, very clingy and tearful.
Posie Parker: Because his dad hid all of his toys.
Susie Green: I didn’t like it and I didn’t think it was right.
And really for me, the point at which I really put my foot down was about a few
weeks later, I think, and my mum phoned me and said, what’s going on with Jack?
And I said, what do you mean? She said, well, I phoned a couple of days ago to
ask what Jack wanted for Christmas and he took the phone out of the room and
said, can you buy me Barbie Rapunzel? Do you know what? I remember this
actually.
Jackie Green: I remember this actually, it wasn’t Barbie Rapunzel.
It was a little mermaid doll.
It was a little mermaid doll that when you put it in hot water, so you were
meant to take it in the bath and stuff, I guess, when you put it in warm water,
the colour of the tail would change.
It was so cool.
I loved that doll.
That was a great doll.
I got it, obviously.
I got it in the end.
But yeah, it wasn’t a Rapunzel.
It was a little mermaid.
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Posie Parker: Again, a clearly traumatised child …
Jackie Green: TRAUMA! TRAU-MA! MORE TRAUMA! Ayah…
Posie Parker: …who knows his father doesn’t approve of the way he behaves
and the things that he loves playing with and let’s remember when you’re a kid,
I don’t know if any of your children have ever lost a toy but toys are
incredibly precious to children.
Jackie Green: You’re right there.
Posie Parker: And he’s so traumatised and now it’s so disapproved of what
he wants to do that he’s asking his own grandmother to buy him something and
hide it.
Jackie Green: You’re not wrong there. You’ve got some points there lady.
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Posie Parker: So basically a mother that didn’t understand her own prejudice.
Jackie Green: Oh shut up. I hate these photos man.
There’s only a few photos that I have of when I’m young still, because I went
on a big spree of destroying them because I didn’t like them very much.
Obviously because they’re not representative of me and my eyes and they made me
feel kind of uncomfortable. Like there was photos of a different child that
weren’t me. It’s a weird one.
Even I can’t explain it 100%.
So it’s probably not going to make sense to you but I’m sure it will to some of
you.
Some of you will understand.
But yeah, I still don’t like them.
I still don’t like them one bit.
Aside from that one, this one, wait, no, this side, that one with the little
crown, that was kind of cute.
I remember that birthday.
There was a child entertainer person there doing the balloon animals and stuff.
That was cool.
And the dressing gown was my hair obviously.
Posie Parker: She did recognise it in her husband but didn’t understand trauma.
Jackie Green: TRAUMA!
Posie Parker: Why would you go to the doctor? Why would you go? If you took
all your kids toys away and they were unhappy and then…
Jackie Green: Okay I’m confused.
Why wouldn’t you go to the doctor? Because I mean ultimately isn’t that where
you get mental health support and stuff? So like ultimately she was concerned,
didn’t know what to do, was worried about this ongoing phase.
Which shows again, my mother wasn’t trying to groom me into being this trans
person because she wouldn’t choose this for me.
She of course would choose if she had the choice.
She would have had me be my boy, you know, grow up as that.
But I wasn’t a boy so I couldn’t do that for her.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Posie Parker: You kind of stopped that because you realised it was shaming
and that child had already reached out to her grandparent.
Why is she going to the doctor at this point? Why would you go to the doctor
about this child? Why would you not think that all the adults around them have
made really bad decisions?
Jackie Green: That’s where mental health stuff happens.
Posie Parker: And just made really poor behaviour.
Jackie Green: Where would you recommend she went?
Susie Green: Six years old she asked me when she could have the operation
to make her a girl.
Posie Parker: Ah okay so she says again here that the child is four.
So this is before the child is four, at two it apparently starts playing.
Jackie Green: Did you just call me it? That is wow.
You just called me it.
You suck.
You’re a horrible human being.
Wow.
Wow wow wow.
I gotta move in my chair.
Excuse the squeaking but oh I’m uncomfortable.
She made me uncomfortable.
It.
You know that has been used against me so much in high school.
Bullying.
She’s like "it".
You’re really nice.
You know I heard that this lady got run out of New Zealand or Australia.
Apparently she went to do like a women’s talk and while she was there someone
threw soup on her.
And like they all, there was like a stadium of like three thousand people or
something.
I can’t, I don’t know the details a hundred percent so forgive me if I’m
misrepresenting it or whatever.
But there was like three thousand people meant to be there and there was like a
hundred of her supporters and the rest were like obviously not her supporters
and were just like get out of here.
You’re not welcome.
And then someone threw soup on her.
Which I hope it wasn’t hot and you know I can’t really say that that’s cool.
Throwing soup on someone that sucks.
I’ve had people throw stuff on me.
It’s humiliating.
It’s horrible.
So I feel for her for that.
But not too much because she just called me "it".
What a bitch.
Posie Parker: Apparently starts playing with girls toys and is effeminate.
Before the age of two is effeminate and suspected to be gay.
By the time they’re four they say that they want to be a girl.
And she mumbles up some of this because she hasn’t mentioned already that the
toys have been taken away.
And I think the toys have probably been taken away before that child ever said
they want to be a girl.
Jackie Green: No that’s not true.
That’s not true.
Two things.
Two things.
First thing there’s like a hundred people there watching her.
She’s maybe I don’t know forgetting some stuff, saying things wrong.
I don’t know give her a bit of grace considering the fact that she’s probably
nervous as all hell.
Secondly I was saying it before the toys were taken away.
I think I said that before.
You’re wrong.
That’s not true.
You’re an idiot.
Onward.
Posie Parker: kind of attaches all the girl kind of want to everything he’s
ever done up until that point.
And so between this is now between the age of four and six she’s talking about.
Jackie Green: And it was really hard for me as a parent to watch the
devastation when I told her that she had to wait until she was a grown up
before that could happen.
Jackie Green: Yeah.
Posie Parker: No child unless they’ve been told there is an operation asked
for an operation.
Jackie Green: Why did you why did you skip there? Why did you skip? I was told about the
operation by my cousin.
She’s like four years older than me.
Yeah I had obviously I told her she was one of my female cousins.
I would talk to her a lot and I’d be like I’m meant to be a boy.
I’m meant to be a girl.
I’m not meant to be a boy.
This is wrong.
I was born in the wrong body.
I’ve got a girl’s brain in a boy’s body and this is wrong.
And that’s just how I explained it.
That’s just how I described it.
And she was like well maybe when you’re older you can have an operation.
And I don’t think she knew that there was an operation.
She was only like I think she was seven when we had this conversation.
So she didn’t know that that was a thing.
But she obviously knew what an operation was.
So she just put the math together and there we go I guess.
And then I knew about it.
So yeah I guess someone did tell me but it wasn’t my mum.
Anyway.
Posie Parker: A six year old comes to you after saying at four that they
think they’re born in the wrong body or they’re the wrong sex or whatever.
And then at six they say they want an operation to be a girl.
And rather than you saying bearing in mind this girl is about 24 now.
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Jackie Green: She called me a girl.
Good for you.
Well done.
Good for you.
Claps for you.
Well done Posie Prick.
You got it right once.
Posie Parker: This is 20 years ago.
This is the year sort of 2000 2002.
She’s telling that that boy that he can have an operation when he’s 18.
Jackie Green: Oh you let the side down.
You let your team down.
You let your mama and your papa down.
Posie Parker: To change sex.
Susie Green: And I put in my son wants to be a girl.
And it came up with a number of different sites but I think about 10th on the
listing was …
Posie Parker: at six at six years old.
You can’t ignore it.
Six years old and then people turn of six years old in this country with not
enough to eat.
Those mothers have a way of being hungry.
Jackie Green: Oh really. Oh really.
Is that your comparison?
Posie Parker: Christmas hasn’t come and you couldn’t keep your child.
But mental health intact.
Jackie Green: And this is your fight.
No.
So there are kids out there who like you say are struggling desperately for
having Christmases and to eat and have a solid meal before they go to frickin
bed.
And this is the fight you’re choosing.
This is the fight you’re choosing.
A nonsense battle against a fucking ghost basically because I’m happy and the
people that my mom has helped are happy trying to get on with our lives and
you’re just here being a bigot and a bitch.
Please.
You’re such a fool.
Posie Parker: That actually changing sex is impossible.
Jackie Green: Not that impossible baby.
[00:30:41]
Susie Green: So I clicked on that and there was a phone number and I made
really quite a pivotal call for me and I spoke to Lynn who was a founder member
of Mermaids the charity.
Jackie Green: Mermaids, yeah.
Susie Green: I think I cried through the entire conversation because it was
such a relief to finally talk to somebody who understood what I was doing.
[00:30:59]
Jackie Green: Obviously my mum’s not there anymore.
They fired her for like no reason.
Susie Green: At seven years old Jackie was referred to the Tavistock which
is the NHS clinic that supports children and young people with gender
dysphoria.
Posie Parker: I’m just I’m going to have to just say it again.
This is a child…
Jackie Green: You’re going to have to say something aren’t you? Fucking gas bag.
Posie Parker: This is a child who was traumatized by a homophobic father
throwing away all their toys then saying that they wanted to be a girl or they
were a girl and made a mistake because clearly the trauma was great.
Jackie Green: TRAUMA! TRAU-MA!
Posie Parker: And then at six she goes to the doctor and also seeks help to
find out if there are other children like…
So if this is a real thing that children genuinely are what I don’t know what
she was-
Jackie Green: I mean a real thing.
It’s quite evident at this point that it is a real thing.
There’s no denying it.
I mean go on.
Go off.
Pop off babe.
Pop off.
Susie Green: Oh really? Not a big surprise.
Posie Parker: So not trauma.
And this was back in the day when the Tavistock had time.
Jackie Green: Nah not trauma.
Trauma’s not the cause.
Posie Parker: They had time.
They hardly had any children that were patients at that time.
And they couldn’t unravel what she’s just said here which is basically the
husband was pretty abusive and homophobic.
It’s just disgusting.
Jackie Green: You’re disgusting.
Oh my god.
They’re medical professionals and you’re some fucking bitch with a keyboard.
What are you talking about? And they weren’t great medical professionals
either.
I didn’t like them.
They weren’t nice.
Susie Green: And at eight years old unfortunately her dad and I separated.
Look let me tell you.
If I- my husband-
Jackie Green: I guess you’re gonna tell me.
Posie Parker: I’m gonna say how much I adore him.
If he had thrown my kids toys away, any of my children’s toys away, when they
were four, or hid them and told them that they were effeminate and made it very
clear that they were ashamed, they would not be in my house for a further four
bloody years.
Jackie Green: So wait are you saying that you would support your kids if
they were trans then? I’d love to know your take like if one of your kids was
trans because I’m very confused by this because like throwing a kid’s toy away,
that’s pretty loose.
Like what if one was broken? I don’t know.
I’m talking shit now.
Oh.
Awful photos.
Awful photos.
And that was fine.
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Posie Parker: "In male persona", that’s an interesting phrase there, isn’t it?
Jackie Green: That’s what I was though.
Like any time- I mean I was never putting on any persona.
I was always just myself which is a girl.
Thank you very much.
I’m a woman now.
But yeah I guess it would have been a persona because it certainly wasn’t me.
Susie Green: And I just thought to myself oh my goodness, is somebody
watching me now thinking this mother with this little boy with dresses, what is
she doing? Yeah.
[00:35:07]
Posie Parker: She just totally reaffirms the fact.
She just totally reaffirms the shame element of this child.
That’s what she does.
Jackie Green: The shame that other people impose? What?
Posie Parker: I don’t think she’s any self-awareness that what she’s
basically presenting here is the case against transitioning children.
Jackie Green: No.
Posie Parker: That this child is traumatized.
Jackie Green: I mean also you’re saying it as if people, I don’t know,
you’re sort of not making much sense to me.
Because it’s like again what mum’s trying to combat is people being so negative
and just evil about trans people.
Can’t we all just get along and braid each other’s hair with flowers and be
friends? Can’t we all just be friends? Clearly not, but okay.
Posie Parker: It feels great shame about a boy liking dresses.
And also she talks that the persona comment is about, you know, are you a
persona? I’m not a female persona, I’m just who I am.
So I think that’s, this is so fascinating.
Jackie Green: But if you had to go and pretend to be a boy, then that would
be a persona, wouldn’t it?
Posie Parker: It’s built upon the story of this woman and her traumatized
son.
Jackie Green: Daughter, bitch.
Susie Green: I had a child in front of me and I looked at her face and I
thought, do you know something? I can’t care about what strangers think.
Jackie Green: Too right mum.
[00:36:57]
Posie Parker: By this point, and you can see by this line it says girl all
the time, 10 years old.
By this point, this boy is in a situation that you can’t return from.
Jackie Green: That I wouldn’t want to return.
What would I want to return from?
I made all these decisions, not my mother.
Oh my god, at least be mean about me.
I mean, I guess you were, you call me an it and you keep calling me a he, but I
mean, go hard, do it, say whatever the fuck you want.
But like, honestly, I didn’t want to revert, I don’t want to go backwards.
I’m getting closer and closer to the finish line, bitch.
Jesus.
Posie Parker: There’s no opportunity now for him to say, actually, I’m just
a boy and I’m happy to be a boy.
Jackie Green: Because that wasn’t the case.
Posie Parker: Because so much fuss has been made and attention and
everything’s changed.
Dad’s left now, you know, dad’s been gone for two years.
I don’t know how much contact father has, but that’s…
Jackie Green: Love my dad.
Dad’s great.
We love dad.
Posie Parker: There’s a point at which really, this child is going to find
it very difficult to change her mind.
Susie Green: Girl pronouns, girl names, girl clothes for the entire time.
Jackie Green: Did she say her? She said her, right?
See, something tells me that you’re just doing this for clout.
[00:38:39]
Susie Green: …wanting and needing to be a girl and express herself as a
girl was shameful.
That it was something to be hidden, secret.
Posie Parker: It’s really interesting.
She used the word shame a few times.
And I just…
I wonder if that wasn’t constantly communicated to this child.
Jackie Green: I think you’ve used it more.
Posie Parker: This notion of shame.
Susie Green: So, the last year of primary school…
Jackie Green: No.
My mother never did that.
My mum never made me feel shamed.
But a lot of people outside of my house and outside of my family…
…and a lot of…
outside of my family certainly made me feel shamed.
Like, people shouting out of windows and stuff.
And, like, if one of your arguments is the negative bullshit that people are
going to throw at the trans kids because of transitioning…
…then that’s not a good enough excuse for someone to have to live as someone
who isn’t themselves for the rest of their lives.
Like, it’s not a good enough excuse.
Can’t people just be a bit nicer? Or just learn how to shut the fuck up? Why is
it my responsibility to take on everyone else’s hatred? So, I have to deny
myself… …my own person.
My… who I am.
I have to deny that of myself.
I don’t know, man.
[00:40:23]
Susie Green: …and one girl said to the other, why is Jack growing his
hair and wearing girl clothes? And the other girl went, oh, didn’t you know?
He’s got a girl brain in a boy body.
Posie Parker: Wow, that’s gaslighting there, Susie.
That’s great.
Jackie Green: That’s what I said to the kids.
Posie Parker: …an absolute lie that the DNA of a human can create a
completely sexed body…
…and then mess it up when it gets to the brain and put the wrong sex inside.
Jackie Green: This is what I would tell the kids.
This is what I would tell the kids.
So that they could understand and comprehend what I’m trying to say all this
time.
Jackie Green: Because people clearly just don’t understand it and get it,
so that was the easiest way that I would explain it to the kids.
And she’s talking about a conversation between two kids that a teacher
overheard that my mum was then told about.
What are you talking about? She’s not gaslighting anyone.
That’s what two kids have said.
Please.
Susie Green: And the other little girl went, oh, okay.
Jackie Green: Oh yeah.
Susie Green: And that was it.
Unfortunately, some of the parents weren’t quite so
open-minded, and we had to get the police involved when we had a mother, when
she was collecting her own child, who was about the same age as Jackie, leaning
out of the window of her car and shouting abuse at my ten-year-old daughter
walking home from school.
Jackie Green: I might even have been younger than ten.
Susie Green: By this time, Tim had come around.
Susie Green: He had seen more and more that this wasn’t something that was
a choice, this was just a part of who our daughter was.
And he was now supportive.
Jackie Green: Daddy!
Susie Green: And frankly, she wraps him around her little finger.
Posie Parker: Another little trope, isn’t it? Another little girl has
daddies wrapped around their fingers.
Jackie Green: She can’t say anything.
Posie Parker: Another little sexist trope.
Jackie Green: Oh my God, you are exhausting, Posy Prick.
And I do wrap my dad around my little finger.
[00:42:30]
Posie Parker: Can I just say, I don’t condone bullying.
It’s pretty awful.
I’m sure that child’s life was horrendous.
Jackie Green: You don’t condone bullying.
You don’t condone bullying.
My asshole.
My perfect little asshole.
That is such bullshit.
You literally called me it.
You’re calling me he and him the whole way through this video.
If this isn’t bullying, and what you do in general, in the denial and the
bigotry that you try and push out, all that crap, if that’s not bullying, then
I’ve…
I mean, I don’t know what is.
I’m pretty sure you’re being a bully.
Posie Parker: not helped by the trauma already suffered at home.
Jackie Green: TRAUMA. TRAUMA!
You love that word, don’t you?
Posie Parker: Most of us like things to be straightforward and honest.
And a boy dressing up as a girl and demanding that everybody treat her as a
girl…
Jackie Green: Bully.
You’re a bully.
Posie Parker: …and using girls’ spaces and all the other things that she
would have insisted on, kids don’t like it.
They just won’t like it.
Jackie Green: I never ever used the female spaces in my schools.
That was very clear.
I always used the disabled restrooms and the disabled changing rooms.
I would have liked to have been able to use the female spaces with the other
girls.
But like, I wasn’t allowed.
Which made me feel pretty like, you know, pretty…
What’s the word? Pretty separate.
I don’t know.
It was kind of suckish.
But a lot of the girls, like the ones who I did speak with, some of the…
Because I didn’t have many friends.
I was pretty badly bullied.
So it was hard for me to make friends.
There was a couple of girls who were my friends and they’d like drag me into
the girls’ toilets.
And I’d be like, no, I’m not allowed in here.
And they’d be like, it’s fine.
We’re just talking.
What do they think you’re going to do? They were all fine.
At least the ones that I knew, they know.
Anyway.
[00:44:31]
Posie Parker: Kids can be gaslit and bullied into accepting this stuff.
But generally speaking, they have an instinct of not trusting stuff that isn’t
true.
Susie Green: Absolutely annihilated.
And within two weeks, she took her first overdose.
Posie Parker: Let me just say, Susie Green repeatedly, as a charitable
organisation, Mermaids and Stonewall and all of them, repeatedly talk about
suicide and rates of suicide and attempted suicide.
Jackie Green: Yeah, it’s high. Like 50 percent.
Posie Parker: And I just want to say that that child didn’t try and attempt
suicide because they were trans.
Jackie Green: No. No, you’re totally right.
I never attempted suicide because I’m trans.
I’m not ashamed of being trans.
It’s hard, like I said before, it’s hard to be happy that I’m trans all the
time because people are fucking mean.
I try to commit suicide because people are mean.
Because of being bullied, because of being told that I’m not a human being,
because I’m an it.
Bitch.
Posie Parker: But I’m pretty sure the level upon level upon level of trauma
and dishonesty would lead any child into finding their lives incredibly
difficult.
Susie Green: I spent the next three years on suicide watch.
And I look back and I don’t know how I got through that.
But I don’t know how she did either.
Jackie Green: Yeah, sorry mum. I’m sorry.
Posie Parker: Must have been absolutely terrifying.
I mean I do think part of the suicide ideation is kind of, it’s force fed to
these kids.
Jackie Green: What do you mean?
But also, if you are living in a situation where you’re constantly in fear.
Jackie Green: Well, you know what, actually you’re right.
Because a lot of kids did say to me, and a lot of actually adults, like, kill
yourself, you’re not human, blah.
They would say I should kill myself.
So, you’re right.
It was force fed to me a lot.
Posie Parker: Being found out. To be something that you’re not.
You know, every time you go to the loo, every time you walk past someone new,
every time someone looks at you a little bit too long, every time someone sort
of meets you and is new, every time that happens there has got to be an element
of anxiety, if not anxiety for the minute you leave the house, that you are
going to get found out.
Jackie Green: When people look at me too long, I just think,
stop.
Stop it. Stop undressing me with your eyes.
Susie Green: To add to all of this, puberty.
Jackie Green: Puberty was scary.
So, at 12 years old, she started going through a male puberty.
Jackie Green: I didn’t want to lose my voice, I loved singing.
I still love singing.
I have a glorious voice.
Oh, no, that’s a horrible photo.
Susie Green: And faced with an NHS at that time, it’s different now, who
wouldn’t prescribe any medication to cause puberty no matter how badly a child
reacted.
Jackie Green: Dr Spack. What a good egg. Saved my life.
[00:47:55]
Susie Green: I went back into research mode and I found a doctor in America
who was working with children with gender dysphoria and who would prescribe
totally reversible, blocking medication.
Posie Parker: I don’t know if Susie Green knows, that’s not true, but I
know it’s not true.
I don’t suspect she knew at the time that it wasn’t true.
Jackie Green: Are you talking about blockers? Blockers totally are
temporary, or not temporary, but reversible.
They basically put a pause on puberty.
They’ve been used for years.
They’ve been used for years on prepubescent children.
Young kids who’ve got, I remember Dr Norman Spack, he told me a story of a kid
who was like four, five, she started getting periods, so they used blockers on
her.
They’ve been using them for years.
What are you talking about?
Posie Parker: She genuinely thought she was doing right by her child.
This whole process.
Didn’t stop and think and examine, apparently didn’t reflect.
Jackie Green: Did you say she didn’t? Are you joking?
Posie Parker: Attempting suicide. Didn’t once think, are we doing the right thing?
Jackie Green: Of course she did.
She just knew because I was telling her it’s the right thing.
Susie Green: I genuinely don’t think she thought past her brain.
Jackie Green: It did, of course it would have.
But I’m very adamant.
I’ve made the right decision.
Susie Green: He’s Dr Norman Spack and he works at the Children’s Hospital
in Boston and he is a world-renowned expert and he saved my daughter’s life.
I have no doubt whatsoever.
Jackie Green: He did.
He did save my life.
By giving me my blockers, he was a good doctor.
Susie Green: But the effect on her education, on her life, was profound.
Jackie Green: That’s true.
Susie Green: She had had seven overdoses in three years.
Jackie Green: Yeah, I had a really shitty school life.
I’m always, I still think I’m kind of disappointed about that.
I would have liked, I like hearing school stories from people who’ve had good
school lives.
I guess, like, not everyone has a good school life.
But like, I had a pretty, as school lives go, I had a really kind of a bad one.
So, yeah.
Like kids would open up the classroom door and shout, is that freak in here?
And obviously more stuff, but I’m not going to repeat it.
I don’t need to.
And so, yeah, it was hard.
I’m sad about that sometimes.
Susie Green: All related to transphobic abuse and attacks.
And one of her best friends was the hate crimes coordinator for West Leeds.
Jackie Green: Oh, I remember him.
Posie Parker: I think I met that hate crimes coordinator.
I think he’s the one that interviewed me under caution.
Jackie Green: Yeah, because you’re a bitch.
Posie Parker: He said that…
Jackie Green: Wait, if you’re going to say something mean, I’m going to go crazy.
Because he was so nice and he passed away.
He had cancer and he passed away.
So if you’re being a bitch, prepare for a lot of comments.
Posie Parker: …people weren’t castrated when they had sex reassignment surgery.
[00:51:28]
Jackie Green: Not castrated, transformed.
Went into a chrysalis and emerged a beautiful butterfly.
Posie Parker: This is the thing I call castration.
The slicing and inverting of the penis.
Jackie Green: Ooh, you’re so graphic.
Ew.
Why are you so graphic though, bro?
Posie Parker: I’m not actually going to…
If you want to look up comments on Jackie Green, you’re more than welcome.
Posie Parker: So you’re not going to show the one bit that I’m in it? So
you’re not going to show the one little bit that the video…
Let me guess.
You don’t want to comment on me.
Because I blow you out of the water.
Or your bullshit that you’ve just spewed.
Let me guess.
That’s why.
I think you’re doing this for a clout.
I think you must be doing this for a clout.
Because you look like a fucking idiot right now.
Not going to show my bit? The one bit where I’m like…
I’m me.
I’m happy with me.
Kick rocks.
Yo.
Posie Parker: I think he’s been a victim of extreme trauma as a child.
Jackie Green: Please.
Posie Parker: The answer to that extreme trauma apparently is to…
Jackie Green: Please.
Posie Parker: …is to remove any adult sexual function from him.
Is to give him drugs that at the time were not legal in the United Kingdom.
Surgeries that were not legal in the United Kingdom.
Jackie Green: They were. Just for different things.
Posie Parker: The abuses that he’s sustained are incredibly profound.
Jackie Green: Oh god. You’re exhausting.
Posey prick.
You know what? I take it back.
I said before I was upset about the soup thing.
You know? I really…
Soup.
Soup.
Good soup.
Good soup.
But I hope it wasn’t hot because blisters and all that.
But still.
Soup away.
Nasty ass bitch.
Posie Parker: I feel quite…
I feel mean for saying this but I’m going to say it.
She doesn’t look affected.
Jackie Green: You feel mean now, huh?
Susie Green: I’m sure she is.
I’m sure everything she’s done is for the love of that child.
If not incredibly misguided.
I just wish she’d stopped with her own child.
I wish she hadn’t done it at all to him but I wish she’d stopped with her own
child.
Jackie Green: I mean again like with the thing that as if it wasn’t my
choi…
Oh she’s looking like right at the camera and it’s making me hella
uncomfortable.
Oh what a place to freeze.
Um…
Yeah like honestly like the…
This was my choice.
I wasn’t forced into this.
You think you could force someone? I mean I don’t know but whatever.
You’re so misguided.
Posie Parker: But taking her own personal anecdotal stuff here.
Not understanding the episodes beforehand that led to that child at four
apparently saying that they were really a girl.
But not having any reflection.
Never having any reflection.
That that’s what happened to that boy.
And then trying to force that particular story onto other children and families
and propagating it in schools.
I think is unforgivable.
You know whether she did it for love in the first place doesn’t really matter
when she is…
You know her organization really is one of the main ones that’s spreading this
absolute hell throughout our school systems and into the young minds of
children online.
[00:55:24]
Let’s not forget Mermaids advertise in the middle of Minecraft videos.
Jackie Green: Oh no way.
That’s random.
That’s random.
How long’s left of your nonsense? Six minutes.
Six minutes.
Oh god.
I don’t know if I can make it through the rest of you’re bullshit.
Susie Green shows a slide detailing the increase in demand for Mermaids’s services.
Posie Parker: She sees this, right, and it’s gone up so much more now.
She sees this as good.
This is something she thinks is good.
Jackie Green: When did she say she thinks that’s good? Are you psychotic? My god.
She doesn’t think that’s a good thing.
She thinks that’s a sad thing.
That people feel so lost because their local mental health providers, their local GPs, their local people who don’t talk about it, they don’t have the information.
It’s sad.
It’s all very sad.
Because there are bigots like you out there.
Posie Parker: He talks about her son trying to repeatedly take his own life
seven times in three years.
She talks about him being bullied at school.
She talks about him being miserable.
Why would you want 2,227 kids to feel the same? Why would that be good?
Jackie Green: Why do you think that’s what she’s saying. Where are you getting that?
That’s all coming straight out of your ass. Straight out your ass.
Susie Green: This is from the 2017 Stonewall survey.
Jackie Green: Yeah, 50%.
Posie Parker: Trans children are bullied.
Susie Green: One in ten receive death threats.
Posie Parker: If I just say girls, I think it’s something like 75% or even
90% of girls report being sexually harassed at school.
Susie Green: 84% self-harm compared to 10% of the population.
And 45% of them attempt suicide at least once.
Being transgender is not a mental health illness.
Jackie Green: 45%.
Posie Parker: That is not true.
That is 100% not true.
Jackie Green: Sure it isn’t.
Posie Parker: Nearly half of the children actually attempt suicide.
Bearing in mind that is a self-reporting survey.
That is not a survey done by a suicide charity who actually concerns themselves
with suicide.
Which you’d think, if that was true.
Jackie Green: How do you think they would conduct their surveys? Societies
prejudice, discrimination, hatred leads to anxiety and pressure.
You just want to say something don’t you?
Posie Parker: A mental health issue, something that makes you try and cut yourself.
Something that makes you want to take drugs to stop your body developing.
Something that makes you, apparently at six, say you want an operation to
change you to the opposite sex.
Something that makes you attempt suicide.
Something that makes you feel very low and depressed and apparently not
yourself when you’re wearing clothes.
Jackie Green: The bigotry around being trans is what attributes to all that
stuff you’ve just mentioned.
Not being trans.
Because there’s nothing wrong with being trans.
Being trans is beautiful.
Being trans is magical.
I’m a god damn unicorn.
And you are just jealous.
That’s what I’m going with.
You’re jealous and you’re clout chasing and you’ve just got a big mouth and
very little to say.
So you’re just flapping it around.
Posie Parker: The sex that you don’t want, the sex that you are, not the sex you want to be.
All that stuff and it’s not a mental health issue.
Alright, Susie.
Jackie Green: Alright, Posie Prick.
Susie Green: This is her now.
Jackie Green: Nice.
I love that dress.
I hate that lipstick.
Should not have worn that red.
Posie Parker: The ultimate.
A taller, slimmer woman than Susie is.
Jackie Green: You’re a bully.
You’re just a mean fucking bully.
You’re a horrible person.
You know something? You’re a really horrible person, Posie Prick.
I… soup. Soup. Yeah.
Good thing that soup was there.
Good thing.
I’m really disappointed.
I’m really disappointed.
There was like some moments in this video where you really like were like, Oh,
I kinda understand where you’re coming from.
That sort of… like, never about me.
[01:00:03]
Because I’m just a woman and you’re wrong.
But like, you know.
Oh, you’re so frustrating.
It’s like… Oh, gosh.
Posie Parker: I think something to do with why you think that your son has
achieved so much as a female.
Jackie Green: I’ve achieved a lot as a female.
As a woman.
The woman that I am.
Susie Green shows a picture of Jack doing a sexualised pose.
Jackie Green: That’s the Matterhorn, if you’ve ever been.
It’s a good place.
Posie Parker: It’s a very weird photo to display.
Jackie Green: Oh my God.
I chose these photos.
Why are you being such a bitch about my photos? They’re great photographs.
I look good.
They show what a sassy and interesting human I am.
She, bitch.
And I would have looked…
I would have looked fantastic as a boy too.
I would have looked fantastic either way.
That’s not why.
Are you stupid? Goodness gracious.
You’re making me get the heat up in here.
Goodness me.
You’re horrible.
You’re a horrible, horrible person.
Sure, I can’t have kids.
So many non… So many cis women and men cannot have kids.
Cry me a river for…
I mean, I don’t want kids anyway.
I’m more trouble than they’re worth.
Can’t really know what’s in store in the future because penis isn’t meant to be
inverted.
It’s supposed to be a flesh that’s external.
Jackie Green: Why are you so graphic? What’s the need? Ooh, you’re gross.
Ooh, you’re gross.
The flesh.
Okay.
You know what? I don’t think at this point she has anything else that’s
relevant or worth listening to.
I think at this point we’re pretty much…
We’re pretty much going to hear everything we need to hear from this woman.
So…
Bye, Posie Prick.
Back to me.
Back to me.
Well, I’m sorry that I subjected you to that.
I’m sorry that I subjected myself to that.
I’m sorry that I subjected myself to that.
I am surprised.
I’m surprised.
That was a shocker.
No, it wasn’t.
I was expecting it.
I kind of knew it.
She sounded like an ass from everything I’ve heard about her and everything
that I’ve read that she said, both about me and my mum before.
But yeah, that’s the video.
That’s it.
Anyway, I hope that you guys will stop by my Twitch sometime.
I love streaming video games and just shooting the shit, so come on by, let’s
talk, let’s chat.
Ask me some questions, I’ll answer.
I’ll ask you some questions, because I love a good interaction.
Love making new friends.
And yeah, I hope you guys have a wonderful life.
Keep being your fabulous selves, whoever that may be.
Whether that be freaking man, woman, non-binary, unicorn, flying alligator,
hippopotamus, whatever.
You be you.
Be happy.
Love you.
And forget what bitches like this say, because you’re worth so much more than
wasting your time and energy on that sort of crap.
So… For you.
Have a good one.
Stay safe out there.
It’s a wild, wild world.
Bye.
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