Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Snekposter]

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:
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On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

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Aftermath crater:
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More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

Bombing their own cities? Christ, I don't think the Red Air Force was that bad in WW2.

 

[Ghostse]

the taliban made themselves americas problem to fix when they decided to shelter bin laden (the man who had just orchestrated the single biggest attack on america since pearl harbor)
the big mistake here was staying for a prolonged occupation, even after bin laden had been taken. the proper way to go about it would have been to just pack up and leave immediately after that guy was in the ground, instead of staying and fucking around for another decade after that.

iraq is less clear cut. originally saddam made himself americas problem to fix when he invaded and annexed kuwait in 1990, which triggered the first gulf war, but for some reason bush sr did not actually follow through, he just drove the iraqis out of kuwait and then fucked off, leaving saddam alive and his regime intact. 2003 was W deciding to finish the job his dad had started and left unfinished.
the big mistake in this case was not finishing off saddam in the first war. coming back a decade later (and then getting involved in yet another decades long occupation) was retarded as fuck, and W's war in 2003 had a lot less support and legitimacy than bush seniors war had in 1991.

The Taliban were sheltering Jihadis. They had to be gotten. The issues is US stayed too fucking long, and tried too hard to enact too radical of changes, without having the strength of will to enforce them (which is a good thing on that last part). There hasn't been a functional afghani central government since the Soviets overthrew the King. And even then, control was dubious at best.

Iraq from a global terrorism perspective was a mistake - Saddam was cracking down on Muslim Fundamentalists in a way that would give CIA black site operators hard-ons. The problem was part of Saddam's legimacy (aka violently suppressing the Shiites) was tied to being Muslim, so he couldn't run the appropriate PR about how much he was doing to shit in Iran's jihadi cheerios.
From a regional perspective... Saddam never gave up his dreams of being a new secular Muhammed - someone who would unite the Arabs and get rid of the Jews, Turks, and Persians. I talked to some Iraqis & iraqi forces and they are still thankful for the US removing him from power, the issue is how long the US stuck around after - Well, US Military. The ones who were old enough to have noticed such things wanted the US to remove the troops and leave Bremer*. And while the leadership is still a bunch of mansion-building parasites, the secret police aren't disappearing & torturing people. But now Iran is shit-stirring with the Shiites. So sort of a wash.

Saddam was left in power was partly because the Allies didn't feel comfortable enacting regieme change. And in a trial there would be uncomfortable questions about aid given to Iraq to counter soviet influence. Partly also because Saddam was viewed as a counter to Iran's ambitions - they didn't want to allow Iran to exert influence. And also partly, well, Bush Sr. underestimated how cucked out the Iraqis were & just how bad Saddam would get. The assumption was that after seeing Saddam humiliated militarily, he'd be voted out. And while he'd been up to shennanigans with the shiites and kurds before, there was no way to know just how hard he was going to go at them in the aftermath.

Spoiler: *

Tl;dr Iraqis are Arabs, thus being in power is a means to the ends of grifting as much lucre possible for yourself, your family, your extended family, and your tribe. The next greatest use of power is settling grudges with other individuals, families and tribes. Bremer was not some masterful statesman, we was competent bureaucrat tossed in over his head - but as an outsider with no Tribe, he was carving up the pie more or less equally, didn't have any petty revenge to exact, and thus is the greatest leader Iraq has seen.

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:
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On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

teddit.net

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

nitter.net

Aftermath crater:
View attachment 5074414View attachment 5074419Shamelessly stolen from /k/.

More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

Two more weeks until the Russian Army controls Belgorod.

 

[Uranus Pink]

It looks like the 2 side-by-side seater Ka-52 and not the 1-seater/2 seats front-to-back like the Ka-50

Tandem seating is the word for one seat in the front and one seat behind it. Like with F-14, F-15E, F-18 Super Hornet, AH-1 Cobra, and AH-64 Apache.

iraq is less clear cut. originally saddam made himself americas problem to fix when he invaded and annexed kuwait in 1990, which triggered the first gulf war,

Saddam was already on the United States naughty list ever since he overthrown the last guy who was in charge of Iraq. In the 70ies things in the lead up to the first Gulf War (Iran-Iraq War) which started in the 1980-81.

but for some reason bush sr did not actually follow through, he just drove the iraqis out of kuwait and then fucked off, leaving saddam alive and his regime intact.

Victory conditions as imposed by Arab and other allies was strictly just to liberate Kuwait from Iran which have been met.
As the Arabs did not want their bulwark i.e. Saddam and Iraq gone so Iran can go to town on the rest of Middle East and Arabia.

2003 was W deciding to finish the job his dad had started and left unfinished.

W had carte blanche as it wasn't finishing was started after Desert Storm. With Saddam continuously fucking with UN weapon inspectors and fucking with Americans on the no fly zones. For almost ten fucking years covering the entirety of the Clinton Administration. Which had been memory holed as much of the intelligence and solid evidence on "weapons of mass destruction" had been found during Clinton's time in office. In addition to what Americans and allie forces were finding after Desert Storm ended.

the big mistake in this case was not finishing off saddam in the first war.

A mistake corrected by W with the approval of the American people before Operation: Iraqi Freedom. And the approval of the Iraqi people after Saddam and sons had been disposed of.

coming back a decade later (and then getting involved in yet another decades long occupation) was retarded as fuck, and W's war in 2003 had a lot less support and legitimacy than bush seniors war had in 1991.

Again the United States never left Iraq until Obama bungled the contract renewal negotiations with the Iraq government and then the U.S. military left. W started losing support by being a weak "compassionate" useless idiot who utterly refused to let the U.S. military do what needed to be done. For example not letting the U.S. military secure and/or destroy Iraqi military hardware and munitions before
committing to De-Ba'athification.

Edit: ninjad

 

[Techpriest Mk II]

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:
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On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

teddit.net

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

nitter.net

Aftermath crater:
View attachment 5074414View attachment 5074419Shamelessly stolen from /k/.

More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

Thanks for all this, I’ve got trouble posting half the time for some reason.

 

[Racist Trash]

Russians accidentally bombed themselves in Belogrod again. Another Su-34 incident too.

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:
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On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

teddit.net

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

nitter.net

Aftermath crater:
View attachment 5074414View attachment 5074419Shamelessly stolen from /k/.

More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

Russia please just fucking stop, how do you keep finding new ways to become even bigger jokes? This is worse than WW2 tier accuracy and all they had were paper fucking maps and a compass.

 

[Glowie]

I lurk both threads and I've found the pro-ukie side to be the most rabid and vile in regards to the protentional loss of human life. You cunts are fuckin warped as.

Posts such as? I yet have to see posts akin Russians celebrating beheading Ukrainian soldiers.

I think that this is bait, but I'll ask again out of curiosity.

 

[an retard]

Posts such as? I yet have to see posts akin Russians celebrating beheading Ukrainian soldiers.

I think that this is bait, but I'll ask again out of curiosity.

Pretty sure he's threadbanned at this point but you're wasting effort regardless. You don't even have to go back two pages on the Z thread to see people rubbing themselves raw over war casualties so any holier-than-thou shit from anyone posting there should be taken as bait.

 

[jalopy]

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:
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On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

teddit.net

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

nitter.net

Aftermath crater:
View attachment 5074414View attachment 5074419Shamelessly stolen from /k/.

More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

Is this really as dumb as it looks or could this happen with a pylon or mount failure? How does one think they're a hundred miles away? They have a stolen Garmin in the cockpit don't they? GLONASS?

Spoiler: Pig

Everyone's favorite gay furry and his, somehow, even gayer friends have made another podcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj3WWIVCFeY

Maybe he'll finally learn how to read Wikipedia, tune in to find out!
Or not, I may do a TL;DW just give me a day

 

[male pattern malding]

I dunno, he's kind of a big deal to a lot of Ukrainians (and other people worldwide) by now, and rakes in a lot of support from elsewhere on the basis of his personality (and work ethic) alone. While they wouldn't immediately roll over if Zelensky got taken out, it'd definitely cause a lot of anguish & doubt, especially with Ukrainians who had to flee. There's certainly other leaders now who would be able to step up & continue the fight, but Zelensky is sort of irreplaceable at this point. He's almost like the personification of Ukraine's resistance worldwide, and losing him would be very detrimental to their meta.

Yeah I gotta admit I've developed a grudging respect for Zelensky over the course of this war, he may be a globalist kike muppet but for the moment his 'Captain Ukraine' song-and-dance seems to be quite effective in keeping foreign support high for gibs to Ukraine. Which is about the best you can do as an actor-turned-politician. The fact that he didn't just pull a Ghani and bail out the moment Russian tanks rolled over the border is halfway impressive by itself.

Here is a picture of Gazi Kodzo

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One of their BLM pets who went off the reservation. Oops
lol.

tbf BLM niggers have a long tradition of being Russian assets, dating back to at least Angela Davis

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Russia please just fucking stop, how do you keep finding new ways to become even bigger jokes? This is worse than WW2 tier accuracy and all they had were paper fucking maps and a compass.

"Oops, I dropped it"

 

[Ghostse]

Yeah I gotta admit I've developed a grudging respect for Zelensky over the course of this war,

He had a safe flight out of Kiev fueled and ready when Russian airborne units were shelling the suburbs and opted instead to stay to inspire resistance. He might be a jewish muppet, I don't agree with him on everything, but that took some balls.

 

[Pedophobe]

Is this really as dumb as it looks or could this happen with a pylon or mount failure? How does one think they're a hundred miles away? They have a stolen Garmin in the cockpit don't they? GLONASS?

The bomb fell off according to official statements. Not a good look either way.

 

[Least Concern]

He had a safe flight out of Kiev fueled and ready when Russian airborne units were shelling the suburbs and opted instead to stay to inspire resistance. He might be a jewish muppet, I don't agree with him on everything, but that took some balls.

Yeah, I was going to touch on that on my previous sappy post too but it skipped my mind. If this guy was just a puppet in it for the grift, why did he stay in Kiev when it was under serious threat of invasion? Why is he visiting troops near the front lines when a single pair of loose lips makes his convoy the target for a missile? He's clearly a patriot to a possibly dangerous degree, and it very likely saved his country and reminded his troops there was something to fight for. Who's the last US president who would stay in Washington if some foreign country had troops making their way up the Virginia coastline? Yet another thing about the Z narrative that doesn't add up.

I also love the part about how Russian intelligence apparently thought they had Ukrainian generals on their payroll. Either the payoffs were being skimmed and skimmed as they went down the line until there was nothing left to make it to the generals but the higher-up Russian glowies were told they were successfully paid off anyway, or the money did make it to the pockets of the generals, and the generals gave their assurances they would stand down, but then when the invasion came, they sent their troops into the field anyway. I can't decide which is funnier.

"Oops, I dropped it"

And this too. If this really was accidental, then I wonder how many times the mechanics responsible for holding that bomb into place were marked as passing inspection on paper - inspections that never actually took place.

The rightists among the pro-Z westerners would be the same types of people to talk about low-trust societies and high-trust societies. Can you imagine a more low-trust society than what this mess of a war has exposed about Russian bureaucracy? Ah, yes, so based, this society of liars and coin-shavers.

 

[OG Swolemaster]

Bombing their own cities? Christ, I don't think the Red Air Force was that bad in WW2.

Allied bombing raids hit wrong countries a few times.

 

[WhiteNight]

The bomb fell off

I also love the part about how Russian intelligence apparently thought they had Ukrainian generals on their payroll. Either the payoffs were being skimmed and skimmed as they went down the line until there was nothing left to make it to the generals but the higher-up Russian glowies were told they were successfully paid off anyway, or the money did make it to the pockets of the generals, and the generals gave their assurances they would stand down, but then when the invasion came, they sent their troops into the field anyway. I can't decide which is funnier.

There are stories about how the quick Russian advances in the south were due to generals and other officers letting it happen. For example, Ihor Sadokhin was charged with providing Russia a minefield map which enabled them to coast right in:

Mr Kryvoruchko, who is accused of ordering his men, against Mr Zelensky's orders, to evacuate Kherson as the Russians approached, is in Ukrainian custody. So is Ihor Sadokhin, one of his deputies, who has been charged with handing the Russians a map of Ukrainian minefields and coordinating their air operations even as he drove away from the city in the evacuation convoy.

Ukraine’s spy problem runs deeper than Volodymyr Zelensky’s childhood friend

The Ukrainian president's recent swathe of sackings reveals a government blighted by treachery, collaboration and internal rivalries

www.telegraph.co.uk

Officials have been purged for "treason and collaboration activities":

Ivan Bakanov and Iryna Venediktova removed from top Ukraine jobs - Th…

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So, probably some were bribed honestly. Probably as many or more took the money and ran. Also, some in the Ukrainian government had existing loyalties to Russia, or expected a Russian victory and wanted to be on the winning team. Most of those are now either in prison or fled the country.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Better footage of the explosion, the moment bomb falls and detonates later. Don't think I've seen it posted, sorry if it was

 

[No. 7 cat]

Comedian (Russian language) to TV President (Ukrainian) to real one. He's a pitchman getting money and (mostly) old equipment (like Polish T-72s or MiG-29s) from NATO. He also can get this or that offence taking Hollyweirdos to be ambassadors ensuring money flow. Ukraine has to both fund a state and an outsized military with a shrinking economy. And in the realms of reality (as opposed to six gorillion dead Ukies), he presides over a state that held back and pushing back the alleged no 2 military power. The military bit might owe more to C in C Zaluzhnyi (and the Defence Minister curbing his or his pals magpie tendencies but the comparison should be made to the invader which tolerated thieving as it meant loyalty and disposibilty) and soldiers, but Zelenskyy has achieved astonishing things and has exposed Russia for real as a flailing third world (or BRICS, same thing) despotism, and largely harmless to developed countries.

 

[CuzinEd]

A Russian Su-34 VKS aircraft dropped a bomb over the city of Belgorod this evening:
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On the evening of April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal derailment of aviation ammunition occurred — russian news : r/CombatFootage

They've just bombed themselves.

teddit.net

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NEXTA (@nexta_tv)

In #Belgorod, a car was thrown onto the roof of a supermarket by a blast wave.

nitter.net

Aftermath crater:
View attachment 5074414View attachment 5074419Shamelessly stolen from /k/.

More here: https://nitter.net/bayraktar_1love/status/1649142057011671042

EDIT:

Sorry, I didn't notice that @Techpriest Mk II had already informed the thread about this news; I hope my post still adds in being informative.

That's some crazy shit. The Russians are bombing their own city so the Ukrainians don't have to.

Too much pre flight Vodka is more likely. lol

 

[Glowie]

exposed Russia

People didn't pay attention to war in Georgia or two wars in Chechenya.

If russian social media and Z go by. Russians never recovered from fall of soviets, want authoritarian rulers and bloodshed.

Reminds me of ISIS and CCP tactics and westerners who simp for those groups.
Bugmen in third flavor and in third color.

Off topic
This isn't looking good for Russia, which is why Putin escalated nuclear alert to red.

 

[Random Internet Person]

NATO allies 'agree Ukraine will become member'

Jens Stoltenberg has repeatedly promised that Ukraine would join NATO throughout the war. Meanwhile, the Kremlin maintains that preventing this from happening is one of the goals of its war in Ukraine.

news.sky.com

NATO allies 'agree Ukraine will become member' | World News | Sky News

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