Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[East_Clintwood]

The whole movie is worth a watch, but this is the particularly relevant part of "Empire of Dust"

Legend has it that Lao Yang's spirit still wanders there to this day, waiting for those useless fucking niggers to get him some god damned gravel.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

As confirmed by the ISW, Russia gave up the attacks on energy infrastructure on 3/1 because they weren't working and Ukraine is exporting energy again. They probably should have saved those scarce advanced missiles for use during the winter offensive rather than piss the entire civilized world off with strikes against civilians.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-8-2023

 

[siegemeister675]

As confirmed by the ISW, Russia gave up the attacks on energy infrastructure on 3/1 because they weren't working and Ukraine is exporting energy again. They probably should have saved those scarce advanced missiles for use during the winter offensive rather than piss the entire civilized world off with strikes against civilians.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-8-2023

Russians (at least the ones running the war) are such sniveling pieces of idiotic, inhumane trash. I can't wait for fall of the Soviet Union part two so I can see them dying in the droves of self-induced vodka poisoning and their hottest daughters hawking $10 blowjobs to any foreigner they can find, they deserve nothing but ruination for how shitty and stupid they've been this war.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

Russians (at least the ones running the war) are such sniveling pieces of idiotic, inhumane trash. I can't wait for fall of the Soviet Union part two so I can see them dying in the droves of self-induced vodka poisoning and their hottest daughters hawking $10 blowjobs to any foreigner they can find, they deserve nothing but ruination for how shitty and stupid they've been this war.

Don't be so dehumanizing and vulgar, this isn't what we're fighting for.

 

[siegemeister675]

Don't be so dehumanizing and vulgar, this isn't what we're fighting for.

I know, there's good Russians we have even in this thread. It's just difficult when you see how much needless suffering Russia is inflicting on Ukraine for no gain to anyone at all whatsoever. Also doesn't help when the other side is constantly laughing about and threatening total annihilation of all khokhols in khokholistan.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Russia's winter time missile strikes on energy infrastructure failed in true cartoon-villain fashion; but that doesn't mean Russia is out of long-range cruise & ballistic missiles (as well as anti-ship missiles and anti-air missiles because Russians like using those as surface-to-surface missiles too)

They certainly ran their stocks low during the winter, but by stopping the strikes they are allowing production to refill stockpiles for future operations most likely.

 

[Meth Until Death]

I lurk both threads and I've found the pro-ukie side to be the most rabid and vile in regards to the protentional loss of human life. You cunts are fuckin warped as.

 

[thx1138]

I was reading this thread about this Belgian couple traveling through the congo (who somehow avoided murder and rape) and when they stopped in this one town they were given a Hero's welcome - the Congolese thought because they were white, they were there to restart the local autoparts factory and bring back jobs. When the shitlib Euro, who was starting to become more based by this time, asked them "the workers know how to run the machines, why don't you guys just restart the factory yourselves?" to blank stares from the natives.

There was also fun with the border patrol trying to shake them down for bribes because "There is a database error". The couple told the grifting niggers to fuck off, and they eventually gave up, but not before the guard asked "Can you tell me what a database is?".

That travelogue is great and it's amazing to see the couple go from "Let's be angelic, let's respect these noble people" to "cook them pancakes with more sugar in them than they've ever had in their lives so they'll haul our stuck landrover up a hill for us, then drive off as quickly as we can leaving them with nothing, otherwise we'll never get out of here"

 

[Ghostse]

As confirmed by the ISW, Russia gave up the attacks on energy infrastructure on 3/1 because they weren't working and Ukraine is exporting energy again.

I remember there was some pre-split vatnik dabbing about the blackouts. Good to see Putin is still winning.

Again, taking out a substation isn't hard. Keeping a substation offline harder. At least when the support staff is organized and not just a bunch of lazy kleptos.

I lurk both threads and I've found the pro-ukie side to be the most rabid and vile in regards to the protentional loss of human life. You cunts are fuckin warped as.

Its Slav on Slav violence. What human lives?

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

I know, there's good Russians we have even in this thread. It's just difficult when you see how much needless suffering Russia is inflicting on Ukraine for no gain to anyone at all whatsoever. Also doesn't help when the other side is constantly laughing about and threatening total annihilation of all khokhols in khokholistan.

Never lose your principles or your humanity fighting against evil, otherwise you become no different from the enemy you oppose.

 

[CuzinEd]

China is objectively more scary than Russia. Yeah, they may have economic problems but I do think it is a controlled burn. China is very good at using leverage to their advantage, something this administration absolutely sucks at. It is in China's tactics of espionage and information gathering that should not be slept on. They use this information to manipulate deals or coerce others into obedience. I wonder if China has learned anything from the Korean Bill Hwang and how dangerous leverage can be. What leverage do they have over the USA? Everything you like to purchase anywhere in the big, glorious mall that is the United States of America is made by China.

Not really. The only thing China has going for it are nuclear weapons. The thing goes for Russia. If they didn't have nuclear weapons they would be defeated in a few months if even that. The Chinese military is garbage just like the Russian military. The other thing China has in its favor is the fact that rich people in America depend on it for cheap labor. They stole the 2020 election from Trump because they couldn't tolerate what little he was doing even with all the obstruction he faced. They can't seem to get over their addiction to Cheap Chinese labor. Many things are still made in China. This doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon. It has to change though if the US wants to survive. We will not survive as a service nation. Shipping the manufacturing to other countries will not solve this problem. Part of the reason the US is having the economic problems it has now is because of the deindustrialization that happened over the past 40+ years.

It's quite interesting how Elon's Twitter is run, a colonialist state that has openly attacked civil targets, apartment buildings, energy infrastructure during winter to try and freeze its opponent's civilians, with politicians and media that consistently and constantly call for the erasure and genocide of an entire nation - is allowed to have its main figures on the platform without any measures against it.
Shitpost against some niggertrannyfaggot, and it's still goodbye account. Mock some cuckservative celebretard, goodbye account. Mock Jews, gone, shitpost the Rael cult symbol, GONE.
Elon is incredibly suspicious.

Some of that is because advertisers are abandoning Twitter and people who paid for the blue check are pissed AF because of his stupid handling of it. His constant flailing around of how to handle funding the thing he obviously wanted to turn into his personal 4chan is embarrassing to watch.

Elon is learning the Trump lesson: no one single individual is so rich or powerful that they can do wtf-ever they want; this is not the 1600s where a big enough pile of gold lets you turn on Godmode IRL.

The restrictions you mentioned are hard bows to reality. He CANNOT allow total free speech like he thought he could and it's clear he's still not quite learned the lesson that being a techbro genius with a stack-o-cash doesn't make you immune from the gayfia, ZOG, or the Democrat machine.

Elon isn't doing that badly. He was never going to make Twitter 100% free speech. It was always going to be normie tier discourse only.

That seems overly optimistic. A lot of American industries have offshored the manufacturing of necessities to China, to to the point that many things that claim to be made in the USA are just several Chinese components assembled in America. America imports a LOT of stuff to China, and if imports suddenly halt America won't have the expertise or capacity to manufacture a significant portion of their daily imports. They might be able to buy some from other countries, but nobody else has the same manufacturing capacity and may just relable Chinese stuff at jacked up prices. Meanwhile China can start diverting exports to other countries, and has the capacity to unwind some operations or convert to producing goods used internally. With it's push to become the main trade currency for oil and gas it'll be able to get other countries to buy its debt like they did for America.

The US can bring the jobs back and cut China off completely. Will it be painful? Sure, it will. But it can be done, and thinks will return to normal quickly. China can be totally ignored by the US, and we will survive. Nothing is made in China that can't be made here and there is nothing in China we can't live without especially for a short period of time which is what it would be. The main problem is getting the rich people off their cheap Chinese labor addiction.

China on the other hand depends completely on imports. If China were to be put under the kind of sanctions Russia has been placed under it would fall in 6 months to a year. China wouldn't survive very long. The US would face some hard times but would come out of it better off. It needs to happen. China needs to be cut off and treated like the Soviet Union. It's what should have happen decades ago. But rich people got tired of Americans wanting to pay their rent and buy groceries.

Literally none of this is accurate anymore lol. It hasn't been for 5 years

Manufacturing has been moving out of China for the last decade or more.

I wouldn't say that. If you walk through any store in the US most everything is still made in China. We are nowhere near cutting China out of our lives even in small portions.

@Snekposter

Unironically this. Both NATO and the Pact were planning on Russia drawing first blood. Western war planning was "fall back across the Rhine as slowly and orderly as we can and wait for reinforcements from CONUS, but if it looks like we won't be able to do so, nuke everything". Naturally the Russian plan was to take enough of Western Europe fast enough nuking them would be politically untenable.

I read a book called Red Army and it was about a Soviet invasion of West Germany. The Soviets pushed into the Germans cities and used them as shields against NATO and America. Basically, the US and NATO didn't have it in them to destroy the Germans cities to get the Soviets out. They also didn't have the courage to nuke them.

 

[MG-34]

I lurk both threads and I've found the pro-ukie side to be the most rabid and vile in regards to the protentional loss of human life. You cunts are fuckin warped as.

That would mean something if vatniks didn't act like total niggers and blame every neighboring state for loathing them and claim every single Russian warcrime recorded was a grand fabricated conspiracy to put the Russian man down. Honestly, vatniks are the niggerest niggers to ever nig.

 

[Betonhaus]

That would mean something if vatniks didn't act like total niggers and blame every neighboring state for loathing them and claim every single Russian warcrime recorded was a grand fabricated conspiracy to put the Russian man down. Honestly, vatniks are the niggerest niggers to ever nig.

what an intelligent and well researched rebuttal.

 

[MG-34]

I read a book called Red Army and it was about a Soviet invasion of West Germany. The Soviets pushed into the Germans cities and used them as shields against NATO and America. Basically, the US and NATO didn't have it in them to destroy the Germans cities to get the Soviets out. They also didn't have the courage to nuke them.

At this point I wonder if the Warsaw Pact could have ever mount an offensive into NATO in its history. Most of the member states were forced into the alliance and several tried to disconnect with Russia having to return them by armed force. Cuck states like East Germany would probably march into hell for their Solviet masters but I doubt the likes of Poland, Hungary or Romania would have sent their men to be fodder for Russian soldiers.

 

[Meth Until Death]

That would mean something if vatniks didn't act like total niggers and blame every neighboring state for loathing them and claim every single Russian warcrime recorded was a grand fabricated conspiracy to put the Russian man down. Honestly, vatniks are the niggerest niggers to ever nig.

Yeah nah, what the fuck are you talking about? Making broad and vague claims is trannyish behaviour mate

Its Slav on Slav violence. What human lives?

Cheers for proving my point.

 

[CuzinEd]

At this point I wonder if the Warsaw Pact could have ever mount an offensive into NATO in its history. Most of the member states were forced into the alliance and several tried to disconnect with Russia having to return them by armed force. Cuck states like East Germany would probably march into hell for their Solviet masters but I doubt the likes of Poland, Hungary or Romania would have sent their men to be fodder for Russian soldiers.

The Soviet Army was nothing like the Russian Army of today. Though some of the same issues still exist. Like the poor logistics and so on. The Soviet Army was also mostly conscription based just like the Russian army is today. What people are seeing since the Ukraine invasion is that the Russians rely on trains to supply their army. During the Cold War they had the ability to carry supplies all the way to Western Europe thanks to the Warsaw Pact alliance nations. The Russians would have to find a way to get supplies all the way across Europe now. They can't supply their army 90 miles past their own border.

The Soviets probably would have put up much more of a fight. It also depends on when the Cold War would have gone hot. In the 60's 70's and early 80's the Soviets and US were about equal in some aspects of their militaries. But by the mid to late 80's you see a gap start forming and the Soviets never caught up and neither have the Russians.

As far as Warsaw Pact countries willing to send their own people to die for Russia is concerned some sent soldiers to Afghanistan. I know Ukraine did and so did some of the Baltic states and I think Belarus. But early in the war most of the came from the Soviet Central Asia. But the Russians started to not trust them, and they started sending more Russians.

 

[Corette]

what an intelligent and well researched rebuttal.

Unironically yes.

 

[freight]

what an intelligent and well researched rebuttal.

lol ur a nigger

Yeah nah, what the fuck are you talking about? Making broad and vague claims is trannyish behaviour mate


Cheers for proving my point.

u 2

 

[CuzinEd]

I lurk both threads and I've found the pro-ukie side to be the most rabid and vile in regards to the protentional loss of human life. You cunts are fuckin warped as.

Shut up vatnigger. No one cares what you think. LOL

 

[Betonhaus]

So apparently stuff is happening right now in bahkmut, and i was wondering if this thread has deboonked it yet