General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

One of the major problems I have with the trannies is their fixation on their identity. A lot of the time when one labels themself as trans they make it their whole fucking identity, plaster their flag everywhere they can, and never shut the fuck up about how they're trans.
I'm getting exhausted hearing the word "trans" at this point.
 
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Two schizophrenic theories that I have regarding the troon phenomenon:

-Tranny acceptance and """gender affirmation care""" (most insane euphemism in history) being pushed so hard from the top down is a drive to push the acceptance of extremely invasive and damaging non-essential surgeries performed for the sake of bodily modification. I think the next thing in the pipeline is full transhumanism, where people get computers installed in their brain or non-human cosmetic features installed.

-LGBTQIAP+ is being pushed to lower the global birthrate even further, after all "gender affirming care" is literally just a castration, like spaying and neutering a dog so it can't reproduce.
 
This. Most people are good people who just want to mind their own business and don’t want to go out of their way to harm others. If that means smiling and calling the man in the dress with she/her pronouns to avoid disturbing peace, most people, even the most frothing of conservatives, will do it.

Being in mental health services for as long as I have, one thing you got to learn is the fine line between being empathetic and knowing when to say “enough is enough” and speak up about the person’s actions. The only time I’m not allowed to do so, however, is when it comes to trans people. Many of my clients are, and have been, transgender youth. It’s so draining at this point because you start to realize that the mutilation of their bodies is just a capitalist push marked as progressivism to generate more money for our bloated pharmaceutical industry. It makes me so angry that I have to “validate” these mentally unhealthy people into further destroying themselves so that some Dark Triads up top can rake in easy cash. It’s sick.

Sometimes I do truly wonder if the Socialist Patients Kollective was right when they said capitalism breeds and feeds mental illness.
I somewhat feel this, and while not all people think that trans folk are growing as a demographic;

I'll push back a bit.

I think that the social pathogen in teens is growing, but what does being trans actually mean?

If you talked to me a decade ago, Id pretty much insist that it was people getting actual surgeries to be the opposite gender, or at least something like Dr Frankenfurter in Rocky horror, if I was being generous (nothing about them being women, men, etc).

I think that the troons that are insufferable tend to be the perpetually online ones, especially those who are early millineals, are the ones that we actually hate. Of these, I think the population is relatively remaining the same or dropping, because these people are ruining their lives and some are even dying off.

Troonettes, however (teen troons, especially girls who probably would have been lesbians)- they may not be ones who get surgeries, they are the type who may be on hormones for a year or two, etc

But I think its genuinely a phase for them, theyll grow out of it, some will inevitably cause major damage to themselves, and in about a decade theyll be the same as emo was a decade ago.

There seems to be an increase in troonettes, and the only reason why Im annoyed by them is because they tend to vote once theyre of age and the mindvirus skews pretty much everything for them in a way that genuinely harms society.

Otherwise, Im with you on the "I dont really give a fuck how someone wants to live now, try and do least harm, if I could have peace by using pronouns its not worth the hassle that comes from an angry troon at this point because this person is crazy".
 
-Tranny acceptance and """gender affirmation care""" (most insane euphemism in history) being pushed so hard from the top down is a drive to push the acceptance of extremely invasive and damaging non-essential surgeries performed for the sake of bodily modification. I think the next thing in the pipeline is full transhumanism, where people get computers installed in their brain or non-human cosmetic features installed.
The trans-humanism angle doesnt really fit.
I think its more about making the average person accept freakish and abhorrent shit.
Both so they don't get uppity when they start doing horrific stuff to others that oppose them and as a classic humiliation ritual.

"Lil Jimmy's a bit of a shitposter, doesnt like the troons, but don't you worry about him. Just a few forced injections of hard drugs a day for the next 40 years and a little round in the brain scrambler 3000 every month and hes gonna be as good as new."

You can see this slowly progress already.
The recently growing demands for re-education camps would be a good example.
First for followers of the orange fuck after they sperged out in the capitol, now for people that don't completely agree with every bit of the message.
 
Can someone explain to me the mental gymnastics KF users have to go through to provide characteristics that overlap with troons and actual transsexuals? I cannot quite understand what the gripe against the latter is - but they are seemingly included in shit like this.
Transsexual has two definitions: the first is a very broad category that includes transvestites and cross-dressers, drag entertainers, and people who believe that imitation of the opposite sex is the same as being the opposite sex.

The second, much more narrow definition, only includes transgenders; that is, people who profess or believe that, at some level, they become the thing they imitate. It would be helpful to know which one you mean, because using the former while speaking about the latter isn't the most intellectually honest way to discuss it.
 
"Tucker: This is a dark moment in our history" - Fox News

tl;dw: many youths are now being surgically mutilated for "transgenderism"

(also Hungary is being sued by EU member states for having law protecting youths from that)

If SJWs try to gaslight you into thinking that Clown World is "just an alt-right conspiracy theory", you can remember that fact.
 
Transsexual has two definitions: the first is a very broad category that includes transvestites and cross-dressers, drag entertainers, and people who believe that imitation of the opposite sex is the same as being the opposite sex.

The second, much more narrow definition, only includes transgenders; that is, people who profess or believe that, at some level, they become the thing they imitate. It would be helpful to know which one you mean, because using the former while speaking about the latter isn't the most intellectually honest way to discuss it.
yeah, no - cross-dressers, drag entertainers, et cetera, are not trying to "imitate the opposite sex", they are trying to either jerk off to wearing feminine clothes or make a caricature of women. this definition has nothing to do with transsexualism and i dont know where you got it from

transsexualism as a condition is only attributable to "transgenders" (linguistically incorrect) who actually transition (id even take it further and say not wanting to get srs just makes you a fetishist)
 
Don't know what you're trying to say. I was talking about how for forty years gender dysphoria was a codified mental illness. Now it's not. Did a double check of the post you quoted and I didn't see mention of anything about a cure. Just whether or not I thought it was a mental illness.
it wasnt - gender dysphoria has been a "codified mental illness" only since the release of the DSM-V in 2013, and it still is - i dont know how retarded you have to be to claim this shit
the ICD never even had gender dysphoria as a code, it had transsexualism then gender identity disorder and now gender incongruence in the ICD-11
That's not what I wrote.
okay? none of those were/are ever included in the definition of transsexual - its just shit you came up with
 
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okay? none of those were/are ever included in the definition of transsexual - its just shit you came up with
In the 80s and 90s, transsexual definitely included transvestites and drag queens, as well as what we now call "transgender". Now, when convenient, it is used as a synonym for transgender, except when it's useful to broaden the umbrella to include otherwise distantly groups into a single, broad definition for political or argumentative purposes.

Your argument is that "actual transsexuals" are somehow different from troons, but without knowing your definition of transsexual, that's not an argument that can be had. If your contention is that "transsexual" and "transgender" are synonyms, then the argument is moot; there is no such thing as an "actual transsexual" that is separate from a troon, because all transsexuals, as defined, are troons. To be transgender is to be a liar and a fake; it is to hold the invalid belief that imitation is the same as being. Transgenderism is a cargo-cult view of the opposite sex, the belief that performing the right ritualised acts will transform the person into their desired sex, and as such it is an irrational belief that can have no rational parallel.
 
In the 80s and 90s, transsexual definitely included transvestites and drag queens, as well as what we now call "transgender". Now, when convenient, it is used as a synonym for transgender, except when it's useful to broaden the umbrella to include otherwise distantly groups into a single, broad definition for political or argumentative purposes.

Your argument is that "actual transsexuals" are somehow different from troons, but without knowing your definition of transsexual, that's not an argument that can be had. If your contention is that "transsexual" and "transgender" are synonyms, then the argument is moot; there is no such thing as an "actual transsexual" that is separate from a troon, because all transsexuals, as defined, are troons. To be transgender is to be a liar and a fake; it is to hold the invalid belief that imitation is the same as being. Transgenderism is a cargo-cult view of the opposite sex, the belief that performing the right ritualised acts will transform the person into their desired sex, and as such it is an irrational belief that can have no rational parallel.
The argument is pointless. This is a concept that can't be rationalized because it is nonsensical to begin with. Men who dress as women aren't women. Women who dress as men aren't men. Most of them will agree unless they underwent surgery or hormones. If they did surgery or hormones, they have a mental illness. You can't argue with people who support this, there is a fundamental disagreement on biology and the human experience.

I assume most of them believe gender is separate from biological sex. Ok, quantify it. Prove to me it exists independent of mood. If you agree that it is part of mood, and gender is fluid, what do you do when you feel like a man again, but you cut your penis off and fashioned a mangina out of it? Are you okay with shit falling out of your rotting stinkhole? I thought gender is fluid? Why can't you just repenis yourself?

If biological sex and gender are separate concepts, there is no justification for transgender surgery. You cannot uncut your penis off, but you can switch genders like a psychopath with a split personality disorder, which these people are, and they should be locked in a padded cell until they stop mumbling about intersectional tranny space communism.
 
In the 80s and 90s, transsexual definitely included transvestites and drag queens
nope, it was just transitioning trannies - transvestites were specifically separated, and "transgender" was later made as a term to include said transvestites (it was popularized by a magazine called transvestia, lol)
as well as what we now call "transgender"
see above, i dont know what "we now call "transgender""
Now, when convenient, it is used as a synonym for transgender
no, it isnt
If you agree that it is part of mood, and gender is fluid
I thought gender is fluid?
this is some retarded rant that even i cant understand - not all intersex people with phenotypical inversion (a la cais, or xx but sry positive) trooning proves it exists independently of biological sex
If biological sex and gender are separate concepts, there is no justification for transgender surgery. You cannot uncut your penis off, but you can switch genders like a psychopath
who the fuck switches genders
 
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not all intersex people with phenotypical inversion (a la cais, or xx but sry positive) trooning proves it exists independently of biological sex
Hermaphrodites are a birth defect, intersex is a ZOG term. Being born with a penis as a woman makes you a third gender as much as having 3 arms makes you a new species. I don't know what a birth defect proves about mass psychosis induced disorders.

If gender is independent of biological sex there is no reason to have troon surgeries at all, unless you mean surgeries for hermaphrodites to rectify a birth defect.
who the fuck switches genders
 
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Excuse me for watching this all happen in real time.
except... you didnt? youre misrepresenting decades of known history lol
Hermaphrodites are a birth defect, intersex is a ZOG term. Being born with a penis as a woman makes you a third gender as much as having 3 arms makes you a new species. I don't know what a birth defect proves about mass psychosis induced disorders.

If gender is independent of biological sex there is no reason to have troon surgeries at all, unless you mean surgeries for hermaphrodites to rectify a birth defect.
"hermaphrodites" are far more rare than a lot of disorders of sex development (like the ones I mentioned). If your gender was not independent from your sex (I'm assuming you mean chromosomal sex? otherwise you'd include trannies), all of those people would experience gender dysphoria and would need to troon out just like trannies do, as they would have the gender appropriate for their chromosomal sex, but a body that isn't. I have no idea why you're bringing up "third genders", or mass psychosis.

Why is there no reason to transition?

And, yet again, I have no idea why you're bringing up genderfuck "fluid" people in this discussion. They're all retarded and have nothing to do with transsexualism.
we do not possess the technology capable of turning someone into the other gender
well yeah you cant change someones brain lol
 
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it wasnt - gender dysphoria has been a "codified mental illness" only since the release of the DSM-V in 2013, and it still is - i dont know how retarded you have to be to claim this shit
the ICD never even had gender dysphoria as a code, it had transsexualism then gender identity disorder and now gender incongruence in the ICD-11

It's literally right here.

Despite increased attention to transgender people, the first two editions of DSM contained no mention of gender identity. It was not until 1980 with the publication of DSM–III that the diagnosis “transsexualism” first appeared. In 1990, the World Health Organization followed suit and included this diagnosis in ICD-10. With the release of DSM–IV in 1994, “transsexualism” was replaced with “gender identity disorder in adults and adolescence” in an effort to reduce stigma. However, controversy continued with advocates and some psychiatrists pointing to ways in which this diagnostic category pathologized identity rather than a true disorder.

Troonyism by any other name is still gender dysphoria, this social contagion we're all being subjected to.

Don't be a subliterate faggot trying to deny the fact that it's been a mental illness for decades. That is what my point was. I never mentioned the ICD because the WHO is a faggot eurotrash organization that kowtowed to communist Chinese bugmen by refusing to call it Wuhan or Chinese Flu.
 
However, controversy continued with advocates and some psychiatrists pointing to ways in which this diagnostic category pathologized identity rather than a true disorder.
So why the fuck would you need surgery and to be medicated for life if nothing's wrong?

That may be what pisses me off most about these liars. Their version of the truth shifts every time it's convenient.
 
It's as I mentioned: the APA caved to pressure from troon lobbies because 'muh current year' and didn't want to stigmatize people who *checks notes* want to harvest forearm skin and muscle to create a hideous parody of a penis that will never work.

It's not that they're mentally ill and deranged, but that they need life saving gender affirming care!
 
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