US NYT: New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Buildings - Gov. Kathy Hochul announced a state budget deal on Thursday with the first statewide ban on the use of natural gas in new buildings.

New York to Ban Natural Gas, Including Stoves, in New Buildings
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Liam Stack
2023-04-28 15:30:58GMT

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Gas stoves would be banned in New York under a new state budget deal negotiated this week.Credit...Scott Olson/Getty Images

New York may soon become the first state in the nation to ban natural gas in new construction under a budget deal announced by Gov. Kathy Hochul.

The proposal, revealed on Thursday night, has been a priority for environmental groups, who see it as a critical step in reducing New York’s dependence on fossil fuels and helping it meet its emission reduction goals. But it was opposed by the oil and gas industry and treated skeptically by some consumers.

Environmental groups warned that the details of the plan were still unclear and said they worried it may contain a provision that would allow local governments to effectively veto the measure. But Katy Zielinski, a spokeswoman for the governor’s office, said on Friday that no such measure was included in the deal.

“The new law will not have any loopholes that will undermine the intent of this measure,” said Ms. Zielinski. “There will not be any option for municipalities to op out.”

It is part of the sprawling $229 billion state budget deal announced by the governor, which capped weeks of heated negotiations that have delayed the budget’s passage by almost a month. State lawmakers are expected to vote on the deal next week.

Gov. Hochul said on Thursday the deal was a “conceptual agreement” whose broad strokes needed to be “fine tuned” before a final vote was held. The proposed ban would not apply to existing buildings.

Ms. Zielinski said the measure would also allow exemptions for facilities that may need multiple power sources for emergency backup power, including hospitals and laboratories. And she said the governor’s office was still “figuring out” how the measure will be applied to new construction in areas where the electrical grid may not be up to the task.

“We are looking at reliability issues still, meaning if there is a proposal to build a new building after 2025 but there is a lack of electric capacity in that region, how will we handle that?” she said. “We don’t want to build new buildings if the local grid does not have the energy to be able to power them.”

The idea of banning gas hookups in new construction has been derided as government overreach by Republicans around the country and in New York. Its inclusion in the budget deal was criticized by Gov. Hochul’s opponents, including Lee Zeldin, a former member of Congress whom she narrowly defeated last November to secure her first full term.

“The Democrats enthusiastically pummeling New York into the ground are about to pass a statewide ban of gas hookups on new construction,” he said on Twitter. “Kathy Hochul and her cohorts are fast tracking the downward spiral of a once greatest state.”

A similar ban passed by New York City in 2021 will begin to take effect in December, when gas hookups will be banned in all new buildings shorter than seven stories, effectively requiring all-electric heating and cooking. The measure will not apply to taller buildings until 2027.

On Friday, environmental advocates said they were concerned that the lack of clarity means a “poison pill” measure favored by the fossil fuel lobby could still be introduced, which would hobble the measure from the start. They may hold their applause until the legislature votes on the final deal.

“New Yorkers are watching carefully to make sure the final budget includes real action and doesn’t defer to the gas lobby,” #GasFreeNY, a statewide coalition of advocacy groups that campaigned for the gas ban, said in a statement. “Taken on its face, this will be an enormous victory, but the devil is in the details.”
 
Weren't there bogus studies that concluded (made the fuck up) that natural gas et all were harmful to health, giving a justification to ban it all of sudden? This has moved fast and is as fake and gay as everything else happening.
I'm guessing they were pulling shit out of their ass that went beyond "incomplete combustion creates carbon monoxide" and "if you smell methyl mercaptan, there's a gas leak and you need to gtfo"?
 
How to collapse the grid in 15 years, a budget.

In a state where it regularly gets to freezing during the winter. :story:
skill issue

also if the power goes out during an outage in the winter, the gas lines for a heater wouldnt work since they still need electricity to be used
Chad woodfire furnaces win again. Heat, light, cooking, what can't it do?
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Gov. Hochul said on Thursday the deal was a “conceptual agreement” whose broad strokes needed to be “fine tuned” before a final vote was held. The proposed ban would not apply to existing buildings.
Yet.

I've said this before, eliminating gas heat in buildings built before 1950, which is a huge amount of small town NY homes, will price out renters and owners. There is no cheap, effective way to heat a 100 year old house with electric. When the heat bills are $1000 a month, the houses will become vacant and everyone who isn't in a 1960s-present suburb or bugpod apartment will be forced to move into one.

Which is their fucking goal.

Outside of downtown urban areas in NYC, most of NY looks like this:

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Even in "cities" like Albany, Syracuse, Schenectady, Buffalo, etc. You go outside the urban downtown core, and this is their outskirts. Then you have a million small towns like Hudson, Oswego, Elizabethtown, etc. This is all there is, besides subdivisions built in the past 40-50 years and bugpod modern apartments. And all these old homes are not built to be heated with electric baseboard or convection ducting. To do so would cost a fortune. Even if the state subsidizes the conversion, the monthly bills will be outrageous.

But this is a feature, not a bug. AOC's Green New Deal called for basically rebuilding every building in America to make it green. This is how it happens. You can't afford your electric bill, sell to the bank for pennies on the dollar or get foreclosed, move to Mixed Use Pod #44:
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They then tear down the old houses, change the zoning, and build more bugpods.

Or you stay until you can't pay the bills, you freeze to death, and they literally take your house from your cold, dead hands.
 
Didn't a highly leftist Federal Ap court just BTFO such a thing?

Ms. Zielinski said the measure would also allow exemptions for facilities that may need multiple power sources for emergency backup power, including hospitals and laboratories. And she said the governor’s office was still “figuring out” how the measure will be applied to new construction in areas where the electrical grid may not be up to the task.

Well there it is.. No backup power for the people, while at the same time they limit and run the grid into the ground intentionally!


you will eat the electric burned food

LOL If this includes heating, it will mean a LOT more than food.. But people freezing to death in the winter because the only heating systems allowed are totally ill-suited for the type of whether we see in this part of the country.. This isn't Europe we are talking about, we get cold snaps in winter well below 0 degrees F! All because officials are only listening to these turf green and eco ideological organizations with no expertise just ideological goals and dogma. It's like the power debate.. We are redesigning our infrastructure based on what ideologues demand and insist will work just because it's the "correct" (right) thing to do.
 
Chad woodfire furnaces win again. Heat, light, cooking, what can't it do?
Oh don't think you're so safe on that. There's a push to mostly ban cheap wood stoves by forcing nearly impossible energy efficiency standards on them. The closest things can come is with catalytic stoves.

Sure, they get more heat out of the same wood and generate less creosote but theyre way more finicky and the catalyst is a consumable that singnificsntly increases the cost to own a glorified fire pit. You won't be allowed the option for a simple and cheap wood stove soon.
 
Can't you still buy oil heaters in New York? As for cooking, yeah, it's fire or fuck-off.
 
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Libtards create their own problems by solving non-existent problems.

If you check the WEF, The Bilderberg Group, and The Club of Rome. Their policy papers clearly state they'd like you to die in some way. To satisfy the depopulation agenda.
 
Nobody wants to ban gas powered statues of the founding fathers!!

Electric ranges are fine but gas ranges are superior if you're serious about your cooking.
Natural Gas makes more sense if you live in an area where the ground freezes regularly. New York is stupid for trying to ban gas stoves but yet again people in new York city vote for this shit because they don't understand that people in Rochester and buffalo deal with a lot of snow and have ground that is frozen for like up to 6 months of the year. Electric is more energy intensive in trying to heat ones home or water.
 
I know there are people in rural California who say things about San Francisco that would make the most based flyover-country redneck think they were maybe taking things a little far.
People in rural California are so racist that they would cry if they could have a button that got rid of all the annoying liberals.
 
3-6 months ago:"Nobody wants to ban gas stoves! That's a baseless right-wing conspiracy theory!"
Every single fucking time, I start making a joke..and then they turn it into real life.

It's not fucking right man, I been telling people that the only difference between a Conspiracy Theory and reality is about six months, and now they are actually timing it to be about six months. STOP FUCKING UP MY BITS BY MAKING THEM TRUE YOU BLUE STATE COMMIE FUCKS.
 
Bye-bye blue flame? NY to require gas-free new buildings
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Michael Hill
2023-05-02 23:46:20GMT

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — New York state is banning natural gas stoves and furnaces in most new buildings, a policy that’s part of a national movement aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

The law negotiated by Gov. Kathy Hochul and her fellow Democrats in the Legislature is part of the state budget and puts New York in the forefront of states targeting emissions from buildings. When the phase-in starts in 2026, newly constructed buildings will have to forego fossil fuel equipment in favor of devices like induction ranges and heat pumps that run on electricity.

The state mandate applies only to new construction and does not affect existing buildings.

“I want to be very clear. I know people love to misinterpret this, but people with existing gas stoves, you’re welcome to keep them,” Hochul told reporters Tuesday, before lawmakers began voting on the budget.

“This is where our nation has to go eventually,” she said “But I want to make sure that it’s not a bumpy road to the transition.”

The budget bill with the ban was approved by lawmakers Tuesday night. Other budget bills still needed to be considered.

Government efforts to wean society off of fossil fuel-burning equipment — especially gas stoves — have been slammed by Republican officials and other opponents as heavy-handed infringements on consumer choice. But environmentalists say climate goals can’t be reached without addressing homes and businesses.

The new construction mandate avoids — at least for now — the more politically fraught issue of replacing existing fossil fuel equipment. But critics say it will add costs to new construction and put more strain on the electrical grid, while still limiting options for buyers of newly constructed homes.

“Why shouldn’t people have a choice on how to heat their home?” asked Republican Assemblyman Phil Palmesano.

The measure will prohibit the installation of fossil-fuel equipment in new buildings, starting in 2026 for structures of seven stories or less. The ban for larger buildings starts in 2029.

There are number of exemptions, such as for emergency backup power and for commercial food establishments, laboratories and car washes.

Advocates say New York is the first state in the nation to adopt such a law. Though Washington state recently approved codes that will require the installation of heat pumps in most buildings.

Also, more than 80 local governments in the United States have approved all-electric new construction requirements, with many of them municipalities in California, according to the Building Decarbonization Coalition.

New York City begins phasing in its rules for all-electric new construction next year.

The focus on new construction — instead of existing buildings — is seen as a logical first step to meet broader emissions reduction goals. New York’s long-term emissions goals include a 40% reduction by 2030 and an 85% reduction by 2050, compared to 1990 levels.

“In some ways, this is the technological low-hanging fruit,” said Liz Moran of Earthjustice. “One of the easy things for the state to do is to ensure that we aren’t locking ourselves into more dependance on fossil fuels.”

Heat pumps transfer heat from a source — such as outside air or geothermal energy stored in the ground — to warm up interior spaces or water. Though upfront costs can run well over $5,000, proponents say heat pumps can be less expensive to operate than fossil fuel in the long run.

Critics question whether heats pumps can keep people warm in places with frigid winters, like upstate New York. Experts say models on the market today can perform when temperatures drop well below zero.

In Syracuse, New York, Walter Putter said his unit has worked well through multiple winters, though he used an electric heater element built into the system for an added boost when the overnight low plunged to minus 12 this winter.

Putter, who heats and cools his five-bedroom home with a heat pump. He has a separate heat pump for heating water, as well as roof-top solar panels.

“My wife was skeptical that the house would stay warm without some sort of fire burning in the basement,” Putter said. “But she’s convinced.”
 
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