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Buses are only more efficient when they're full or mostly full. The way public transportation is offered with empty buses and dead times means it's basically a wash as far as "efficiency" goes.
For the US the graphs put out by the government show that nationwide cars are more efficient than busses because our average number of riders is so low.

Obviously there are some cities where the busses are full enough, but once you compute all the passenger miles for the country the average is pretty bad.

 
For the US the graphs put out by the government show that nationwide cars are more efficient than busses because our average number of riders is so low.

Obviously there are some cities where the busses are full enough, but once you compute all the passenger miles for the country the average is pretty bad.

to me the most interesting part about this is how efficient motorcycles are
sadly they have many of the same downsides as bicycles - can't fit cargo or passengers on them, suck balls in bad weather, and very dangerous (even minor accidents can maim or kill a motorcyclist)
 
to me the most interesting part about this is how efficient motorcycles are
sadly they have many of the same downsides as bicycles - can't fit cargo or passengers on them, suck balls in bad weather, and very dangerous (even minor accidents can maim or kill a motorcyclist)
One downside they don't share with bicycles is that their users usually aren't obnoxious cunts wasting space sharing the road with me.
 
What is it with Reddit and the ability to fuck up this kind of groups? It's almost the same pattern, they give an idea that is probably relatable to some people and starts a small community around that idea, and then when it grows to a bigger audience, they start becoming into a more extremist idea. This is like the other subreddit that hated having kids and now hates kids in general regardless of having them or not.
 
What is it with Reddit and the ability to fuck up this kind of groups? It's almost the same pattern, they give an idea that is probably relatable to some people and starts a small community around that idea, and then when it grows to a bigger audience, they start becoming into a more extremist idea. This is like the other subreddit that hated having kids and now hates kids in general regardless of having them or not.
I'd say it's a combination of two things, one being the power of retards acting together in large numbers and the other being their distain toward gatekeeping.

It's similar to how the original intention of Occupy Wall Street was to protest against the unethical practices of Wall Street which led to the events of 2008, but was eventually taken over by eat the rich retards.

Since gatekeeping is frowned upon there it leads to being forced to let in children and trannies who fuck up whatever reasonable points might have been made. As a result Reddit has become the designated shitting street of the internet. Null has a point whenever a thread is featured, "if you have nothing to add don't say anything". They would be wise to heed this advice.
 
Buses are only more efficient when they're full or mostly full. The way public transportation is offered with empty buses and dead times means it's basically a wash as far as "efficiency" goes.
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It doesn't even have to be busses, trains are actually more efficient, I just think reducing traffic on the road is a good thing.
 
to me the most interesting part about this is how efficient motorcycles are
sadly they have many of the same downsides as bicycles - can't fit cargo or passengers on them, suck balls in bad weather, and very dangerous (even minor accidents can maim or kill a motorcyclist)
A motorcycle can carry a moderate amount of cargo if the rider takes time with bungee cords and a cargo net, and can take one passenger (more if a pajeet or African), which is the most a car typically carries. The thing I notice is that in places where resources are tight, developing countries, say, small capacity motorbikes are prevalent.
 
A motorcycle can carry a moderate amount of cargo if the rider takes time with bungee cords and a cargo net, and can take one passenger (more if a pajeet or African), which is the most a car typically carries. The thing I notice is that in places where resources are tight, developing countries, say, small capacity motorbikes are prevalent.
If I can have TWO vehicles one will be a car and one a motorbike. But if I can only have one, the car wins.
 
Yes, some dumbass thinks there are freeways going all across rural areas. This really shows how isolated bugmen are in their awful bughives.

Remember, because they all parrot Marohn, their definition of what exactly a "street that is not a road" is as broad as the Katy Freeway is wide. Trying to ask them what the difference between even a freeway and a divided highway is not going to result in a correct answer is.

View attachment 5106330 It doesn't even have to be busses, trains are actually more efficient, I just think reducing traffic on the road is a good thing.
If you're going to try to use infographics to "prove" anything, at least use something people can read. Like what "city" is that even supposed to be from? Any city? All cities? SimCity?
 
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It doesn't even have to be busses, trains are actually more efficient, I just think reducing traffic on the road is a good thing.
The number of passengers per hour for a given amount of space used isn't that relevant for most cities, especially when mass transit is very rarely proposed to replace the street grid. It matters for places that are very densely populated or geographically constrained (say, Hong Kong), but for most places cost- and resource-efficiency rather than space-efficiency are more relevant.
 
I'm not against cars existing, I just think there are more efficent ways of transportation. For example, a car only holds 4 people but a bus holds at least 57. It also can reduce traffic congestion
I don't particularly want to deal with 57 other people when I'm just trying to get home / to work tbh, factor in crackheads, drunkards, and the fact that I can listen to music as loud as I want on quality speakers then I'm completely checked out of using public transit unless I'm in a foreign country
 
If I can have TWO vehicles one will be a car and one a motorbike. But if I can only have one, the car wins.
Motorcycles are pretty cheap on the used market. My brother in law was showing me some listings on Facebook, you got some as low as 900 bucks if you look around. They'll be older, but a Honda is a Honda motorcycle.
 
If I can have TWO vehicles one will be a car and one a motorbike. But if I can only have one, the car wins.
The thing that makes a car so great is that some are built in such a way when you get in it, you're shielded from the ruckus and commotion of the outside world. E38 lover @I need more BMWs can attest to that. It's a sanctuary away from home unless you're one of those weirdos who lives out of a Sprinter camper conversion van.
 
Motorcycles are pretty cheap on the used market. My brother in law was showing me some listings on Facebook, you got some as low as 900 bucks if you look around. They'll be older, but a Honda is a Honda motorcycle.
The old Honda SCV 100 Lead is a 100cc scooter or motorbike which doesn't even need a battery, not much oil and can run on petrol fumes (well very little fuel). It could make a good case even in comparison to a cheaper pedelec and there's no risk of it going on fire which the Chinky made ones of those do at times.
 
The old Honda SCV 100 Lead is a 100cc scooter or motorbike which doesn't even need a battery, not much oil and can run on petrol fumes (well very little fuel). It could make a good case even in comparison to a cheaper pedelec and there's no risk of it going on fire which the Chinky made ones of those do at times.
Exactly. And people sell bikes often enough that they stay cheap. Probably costs less to fuel it than charge a scooter
 
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The number of passengers per hour for a given amount of space used isn't that relevant for most cities, especially when mass transit is very rarely proposed to replace the street grid. It matters for places that are very densely populated or geographically constrained (say, Hong Kong), but for most places cost- and resource-efficiency rather than space-efficiency are more relevant.

Space-efficiency is very big for urbanists, probably because SimCity had a very limited amount of space, and density was rewarded. The whole space-efficiency contributes to "muh 15 minute city", which we've discussed some of the problems with, but it always assumes that moving up or down is a free action.
 
Space-efficiency is very big for urbanists, probably because SimCity had a very limited amount of space, and density was rewarded. The whole space-efficiency contributes to "muh 15 minute city", which we've discussed some of the problems with, but it always assumes that moving up or down is a free action.
But isn't that concept mainly about incentivizing development of essential features within walking distance? With other modes of transportation there's remarkably little that would qualify because of added time such as car or bicycle parking, waiting for the bus or train, etc. It especially makes no sense to compare the efficiency of intercity rail to a walk down the street.

Besides, SimCity is very car-brained. Road traffic is what drives commercial demand--if you have a residential area on the one hand and an industrial area on the other, the highway between them is surely the best place for business! It is very difficult to develop a small town in SimCity because higher density arises only past certain population thresholds. In the SimCity model, suburbia is a mandatory step before urbanization, which is hardly how any real cities function. I'm not sure there are any city sims that actually model economic development well, because they rely on the premise that planning drives development instead of constraining it (which is good game design though).
 
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