The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

First, while I hate to go debate bro on you, this is a logical fallacy. (argumentum ad ignorantiam). An absence of autopsies performed on victims would not prove the Holocaust didn't happen.
First, it's a question you can't respond to, not a fallacy. So you lose the debate again. Saying millions of people were gassed and YOU can't prove a single person was gassed does in fact prove you wrong. Arguing a cemetery full of dead people are there because of unicorn attacks when you can't prove a single unicorn ever existed.
Second, as usual, the image board meme you're spouting isn't even true. Autopsies were performed on gassed victims. For example, the victims of gassing (via gas van) at Kharkov and Krasandor were autopsied. See this link.
Someone saying they were autopsied and not posting the autopsy reports yourself is another failure. So post the masturbation machines, moron.

You aren't a debate bro, you are barely literate. You fundamentally misunderstand basic language, science, mathematics. You play at being an academic and only highlight its every flaw. You are a human chat ai regurgitating facts you think might fit and can't comprehend the arguments in front of you. You regularly defeat your own posts repeatedly. I hope war personally finds you so that your existence can stop being subsidized by your betters.
 
I literally just posted a link containing an extensive block-quote from Soviet forensic experts who performed autopsies on a large number of gassed bodies at Kharkov and Krasandor.

You can say the autopsies are fake and it's a conspiracy or whatever (with the usual zero evidence), but you can't say 'no autopsies.'

On the issue of 'muh Soviets,' should also be noted that dozens of gassed bodies (from Natzweiler) were found by the Americans at the Strasbourg Anatomical Institute. We talked about Natzweiler earlier on this thread however and I'm not going to repost all the evidence again. You are clearly too stupid to understand anything beyond image board memes anyway.
 
I literally just posted a link containing an extensive block-quote from Soviet forensic experts who performed autopsies on a large number of gassed bodies at Kharkov and Krasandor.

You can say the autopsies are fake and it's a conspiracy or whatever (with the usual zero evidence), but you can't say 'no autopsies.'

On the issue of 'muh Soviets,' should also be noted that dozens of gassed bodies (from Natzweiler) were found by the Americans at the Strasbourg Anatomical Institute. We talked about Natzweiler earlier on this thread however and I'm not going to repost all the evidence again. You are clearly too stupid to understand anything beyond image board memes anyway.
Cool, address what I say directly instead of beating around the bush. If you can't explicitly post what I ask for then say that.

I didn't ask for quotes or books, I asked for the reports themselves. It's a simple thing that should be easy to produce. If you kill someone by stabbing them to death, you have to prove they are stabbed. If you can't prove they are gassed to death you have to drop the claim. But you can't do that can you? If you can't claim they were gassed then you have no holocaust. Quite the trap you've placed yourself in. This is why you are an idiot.

Also why can't you produce the gas vans? There is no surviving example used by the Nazis, yet curiously plenty of Soviet ones.

Also on page 21 it explicitly says the jews engaged in partisan warfare. So there is no genocide if they killed enemy combatants. Whoops, maybe do actual research instead of using a search function and not reading your own sources. This is why you are an idiot and an amateur.
 
First, while I hate to go debate bro on you, this is a logical fallacy. (argumentum ad ignorantiam).
This fallacy is specifically for someone claiming a proposition is true because there is no counter evidence. It has to do with a positive claim, not a negative one.

And once you start throwing around fallacies you should always think first: am I engaging in a fallacy fallacy? Look that one up.
 
You half-wits are making a positive claim: that the Holocaust was a "hoax." You have a burden of proof to establish a conspiracy to fake the Holocaust.

Also, of course the argumentum ad ignoratiam fallacy applies to negative arguments. If you say proposition x (that autopsies were performed) is false because it has not been proven, that is a logical fallacy.

In any case autopsies were performed on gassed Jews, so it's a completely moot point.
 
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What is with all these mass graves with no bodies in them?

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Also on page 21 it explicitly says the jews engaged in partisan warfare. So there is no genocide if they killed enemy combatants.
Partisan warfare which occurred due to Jews being rounded up and forced out of their homes and into ghettos, because of state sanctioned burning and destruction of their businesses, because people were being drug out of their homes in the middle of the night and taken away by secret police. These were not soldiers in a paramilitary organization with structure and training; they were civilians who were responding in an effort to protect themselves. Every Jew sent to camps was also not a combatant. This is extremely disingenuous. Jews did not instigate a ground war in Germany.
 
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You half-wits are making a positive claim: that the Holocaust was a "hoax." You have a burden of proof to establish a conspiracy to fake the Holocaust.

Also, of course the argumentum ad ignoratiam fallacy applies to negative arguments. If you say proposition x (that autopsies were performed) is false because it has not been proven, that is a logical fallacy.

In any case autopsies were performed on gassed Jews, so it's a completely moot point.

The link you shared didnt contain autopsies. It did contain claims that soviets were completely peaceful, a fact that I'm sure the Polish would disagree on. They surely welcomed the peaceful soviets into their lands both before and after nazi germany and soviet russia fought a war.

Personally, depending on exact definition I think there was and wasn't a holocaust. The current narrative is wildly inflated. At times the holocaust peddlers like yourself seem to agree some aspects are inflated, yet you pour your energy into trying to convince a couple of kiwifarm autists instead of top google results when you google "holocaust", like encyclopedia brittanica, wikipedia and holocaust museums give wrong information. It remains impossible to take your fat egyptian ass serious.
 
You half-wits are making a positive claim: that the Holocaust was a "hoax." You have a burden of proof to establish a conspiracy to fake the Holocaust.

Also, of course the argumentum ad ignoratiam fallacy applies to negative arguments. If you say proposition x (that autopsies were performed) is false because it has not been proven, that is a logical fallacy.

In any case autopsies were performed on gassed Jews, so it's a completely moot point.
You are an idiot posting word salad. You have no idea what any of that means.

So if autopsies were performed, why can't you post them? Are you not a holocaust researcher? All I want you to do is prove your claims with direct evidence and not hearsay.

So do that, either post the autopsy reports or say that you can't or won't.

Partisan warfare which occurred due to Jews being rounded up and forced out of their homes and into ghettos, because of state sanctioned burning and destruction of their businesses, because people were being drug out of their homes in the middle of the night and taken away by secret police. These were not soldiers in a paramilitary organization with structure and training; they were civilians who were responding in an effort to protect themselves. Every Jew sent to camps was also not a combatant. This is extremely disingenuous. Jews did not instigate a ground war in Germany.
So people who were put into interment camps for being sympathetic to the enemy and also likely combatants? Wow those evil Americans should never have done that to the Japanese.
 
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So I link you to a book that directly quotes from autopsies of gassed Jews, and then you move the goalposts, asking for an original copy of the autopsies.

This is such a pathetic game you guys are playing. You're either too dumb to realize how ridiculous you sound, or consciously making ridiculous demands because you know your case is so weak.
 
So I link you to a book that directly quotes from autopsies of gassed Jews, and then you move the goalposts, asking for an original copy of the autopsies.

This is such a pathetic game you guys are playing. You're either too dumb to realize how ridiculous you sound, or consciously making ridiculous demands because you know your case is so weak.
... Did you provide excerpts of said quotes? Again, a reoccurring theme is that Holocaust supporters claim there is evidence when said evidence turned out to be made up or just not exist.
 
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... Did you provide excerpts of said quotes? Again, a reoccurring theme is that Holocaust supporters claim there is evidence when said evidence turned out to be made up or just not exist.
Yes this is literally what I did. The link I posted is an extensive quotation of the original source, not a paraphrase.

And your second sentence is image board nonsense. Denial is extremely stupid. You guys have no explanation for how millions of Jews 'disappeared' in Nazi custody (from camps and ghettos), and no evidence or whistle blowers for your 'hoax' conspiracy theory.
 
So I link you to a book that directly quotes from autopsies of gassed Jews, and then you move the goalposts, asking for an original copy of the autopsies.

This is such a pathetic game you guys are playing. You're either too dumb to realize how ridiculous you sound, or consciously making ridiculous demands because you know your case is so weak.
So just say you can't. Its not that hard. I asked for an autopsy report proving the Nazis gassed anyone. You can't find any referring to Zyklon B gassing, so you move the goalpost to gassing by nonexistent vans. When that doesn't work, you move the goalpost again by posting a reference to someone else claiming they have these reports. It's all backpedalling and dodging for you. I ask simple direct questions and you spend a month beating around the bush.

Once you get put in these positions, you cry and whine about how unfair we are. Again these are the very basics of your own assertions.

There is no holocaust if the Germans didn't order one. There is no holocaust if you can't prove anyone was ever gassed. There is no holocaust if millions of people weren't cremated. If this is too much for you to handle, then you are ill equipped to have this arguement and can only concede.
 
Important question though wasnt there also karate championship between a elderly jew and hitler in argentina in 1940 until the entire venue was bombed was the allies in 1938.
 
Yes this is literally what I did. The link I posted is an extensive quotation of the original source, not a paraphrase.

And your second sentence is image board nonsense. Denial is extremely stupid. You guys have no explanation for how millions of Jews 'disappeared' in Nazi custody (from camps and ghettos), and no evidence or whistle blowers for your 'hoax' conspiracy theory.
I think you keep ignoring the theme of this thread.

The books written are not trusted, especially ones that cite the kangaroo courtroom that was the entirety of the Nuremberg trials. The books written by Anne Frank a notable example of a fraud, and garbage like Schindler's List presented as facts when the story was mostly made up.

We want medical records, we want documents with SIGNATURES from people who wrote what they saw down, we want to see the closest thing you can get barring video evidence itself. You defend a circle of liars who have poisoned the well so badly, everything is looked at with suspicion of being fraudulent if its 2nd hand.
 
So people who were put into interment camps for being sympathetic to the enemy and also likely combatants? Wow those evil Americans should never have done that to the Japanese.
>sympathetic
>implying every jap put into a camp was pro-Japanese aggression.

There's a few problems with your comparison here.

Yes the US government should not have sent all Japanese citizens to internment camps for no reason besides they're Japanese. It's a breach of personal freedom in a country that prides itself on it. While internment camps were not as bad as the concentration camps they were still not a good thing, and at the end of the day is there any evidence to support that they helped the war effort? What happened instead was that Japanese citizens were forced from their homes, and found that there were strangers living where they once did, their businesses flipped and essentially stolen out from under them. There's no recourse for this.

I'll take it one step further and even play devils advocate. Let's take a look at the Japanese internment and look at it as a practical necessity: Japanese immigrants came from another country, a country with it's own beliefs, ethics, government, military, and way of life. The argument could made that they were potential hazards and internment was the easiest way to do so. If you want to make that argument I can disagree from a humanitarian perspective but it's at least an organized and defensible position.

This is completely different from the Jewish German situation in 1930s Germany. You had German citizens, with no other nation's roots, who had lived in Germany for generations being sent into ghettos and camps not because of an active war, but rather because of religious beliefs. There is no defensible point to make here. They are not enemies of the state, they are not potential combatants. They are your citizenry and you've smashed every right they have as a citizen.

I don't know where you're from but here's an example that might actually make you think.

Kamala does a wine bar putsch, deposes Biden, and begins the Harris Regime. A declaration is then made that white people are scum. They're evil and need to be addressed. It starts with white owned businesses being attacked, and when they defend themselves their property is revoked and they are sent to ghettos. They then begin to round up whites who have no agenda, pay their taxes, and are involved in their communities. Would you protest this? If whites decided to defend their property would you label them partisans and active combatants that should be targeted and destroyed? Should whites who relent and go to the ghettos be considered enemies of the state and active combatants?

Are you going to be honest and say it's wrong?
 
This is completely different from the Jewish German situation in 1930s Germany. You had German citizens, with no other nation's roots, who had lived in Germany for generations being sent into ghettos and camps not because of an active war, but rather because of religious beliefs. There is no defensible point to make here. They are not enemies of the state, they are not potential combatants. They are your citizenry and you've smashed every right they have as a citizen.
You genuinely believe the nazis rounded up Jews solely because of their religion? No other factors?
No wonder why people say arguing on the internet is a worthless endeavor. People like you exist.
 
We want medical records, we want documents with SIGNATURES from people who wrote what they saw down, we want to see the closest thing you can get barring video evidence itself. You defend a circle of liars who have poisoned the well so badly, everything is looked at with suspicion of being fraudulent if its 2nd hand.

its a fair enough to demand this, but do you think that is a REALISTIC request? do you think this should would survive? the soviets made hitler disappear completely, you think PAPERS would be preserved?

You genuinely believe the nazis rounded up Jews solely because of their religion?

well it wasnt so much THEIR religion, as his. hitler was a satanist and killing god's people is part of that
 
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