Susie Green & Mermaids UK - "Trans Kid Support Charity", Susie had her underage kid get GRS

[The Best of Me]

He looks like a younger, better-looking Brianna Wu.

Try Corey Feldman minus the sex appeal

 

[Marvin]

Susie Green is at the EPATH conference in Killarney, Ireland, this week.

@green_susie100, tweet 1651150878819201024 (archive)

Lol and down the street, Genspect is having its conference about how to avoid neutering children.

 

[Procopius]

Following on from Ben Hunte's getting his doctor mate suspended, Susie is continuing the troon-adjacent custom of dropping their mates in the shit. Someone sent in a FOI request to the Tavistock asking for details of any contact they had with Mermaids. "Who are they?", was the response "We was all at Rigoletto's". And then Susie had her Twitter meltdown and mentioned various emails she'd had with various doctors there. So the petitioner appealed to ICO which ruled that “on the balance of probabilities”, the Trust does have relevant emails. They've been asked to go away, have a think about it, and decide if they want to stick with their original answer.

Tavistock gender clinic threatened with court action by watchdog​

NHS Trust has until May 5 to provide a new response to parent's FoI request or ICO could write to High Court
By Hayley Dixon, Special Correspondent
30 April 2023 • 9:25pm

The NHS Tavistock gender clinic has been threatened with court action by the information regulator after failing to reveal its relationship with Mermaids.
The Trust claimed in response to Freedom of Information requests from a parent that it “does not hold” emails or minutes of meetings between staff and the controversial charity, which has been accused of putting pressure on staff to transition children.
The matter was referred to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) which has now ruled that “on the balance of probabilities”, the Trust does have relevant emails.
Mermaids has previously accidentally published emails between Susie Green, then chief executive of the charity, and some of Tavistock’s staff. That data breach led the ICO to fine the charity £25,000.
The Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust has until the end of this week to conduct fresh searches and provide a new response or the ICO could write to the High Court and the issue “may be dealt with as a contempt of court”. If found guilty of contempt the Trust could face a fine.

'The NHS has a duty of candour'​

It comes after concerns were raised within the Trust that the release of information under FOI laws was effectively being blocked because of the “potential reputational impact”.
The trans clinic is due to close after concerns were raised about its treatment and an independent review found that it was “not a safe and viable option”.
It has since emerged that staff from the controversial clinic will be involved in setting up and training staff at the new regional centres which will replace it. The Tavistock was originally ordered to close this spring but is still operating.
The parent who placed the FOI told The Telegraph that it is important the truth of the relationship with Mermaids is revealed so that lessons can be learnt.
“What concerns me is the way that NHS policy making can be influenced by a special interest group. There should be a clean break and the Tavistock should disclose whatever they have,” they said.
“NHS trusts have a very powerful self-protective reflex, but the NHS has a duty of candour and that should be respected.”
Mermaids’ influence on the Tavistock was cited by some whistleblowers as one of the reasons why it lost its way, with claims that activists put pressure on clinicians to affirm children’s belief that they were trans and to prescribe potentially life-altering drugs.
The Charity Commission is currently carrying out a statutory inquiry into Mermaids amid concerns over its governance and management.
The FOI request asked for details of emails sent between Ms Green and Trust staff and records, notes, or minutes of any meetings with the charity boss between 2014 and 2018.
The Tavistock originally refused to provide the information under a section of the law which allows them to deny “requests which have the potential to cause a disproportionate or unjustified level of disruption, irritation or distress”.
But when the ICO asked them to justify that refusal, the Trust withdrew it and said instead that following “an extensive search of emails … the Trust does not hold the requested information”.
In a judgment published at the end of March, the ICO said that they believed some information was held, adding: “The Trust must conduct fresh searches into the requested information and provide a new response which is adequate for the purposes of FOIA.”

May 5 deadline​

The Trust has been given until May 5 to provide a new response.
It is a criminal offence under the FOI Act if a person alters, erases, or destroys information after it has been requested.
It is not the first time issues with the Tavistock’s FOI responses have been raised, and in 2021 the Board of Directors was told that all requests relating to the gender identity clinics for both adults and children were being “hampered”.
Communications staff had to clear all requests and they had “not approved GIC responses with waiting list data due to poor performance and the potential reputational impact”, meeting minutes show.
A spokesman for the Trust said: “We have noted the ICO’s recent decision and are proactively working toward supplying the relevant data before the deadline.”

Tavistock gender clinic threatened with court action by watchdog

NHS Trust has until May 5 to provide a new response to parent's FoI request or ICO could write to High Court

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

@Procopius nice find, shame they'll not provide the information since those emails would have been delicious to see and would have likely given the Charity Commission more than enough to rake Mermaids over the coals.

 

[Feathers McGraw]

I don't understand how the Tavistock can keep getting away with it. They sandbag every request for any kind of data no matter who asks for it and never seem to receive any consequences for that. Even when the requests are for things that any sane person would think are urgently important (e.g. patient comorbidities and outcomes of vulnerable children being given untested experimental hormone treatment)

Normally I think a cockup is more likely than a conspiracy, but when it keeps happening I can only assume they do have all the information being asked for and it's far worse than even we can imagine.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I don't understand how the Tavistock can keep getting away with it. They sandbag every request for any kind of data no matter who asks for it and never seem to receive any consequences for that. Even when the requests are for things that any sane person would think are urgently important (e.g. patient comorbidities and outcomes of vulnerable children being given untested experimental hormone treatment)

Normally I think a cockup is more likely than a conspiracy, but when it keeps happening I can only assume they do have all the information being asked for and it's far worse than even we can imagine.

At this point their reputation is rock bottom so it can only go up. Fines will be paid out of the public's money. They have nothing to lose and a lot of careers that would be permanently ruined by the truth with the possibility of actual criminal charges for individuals.

So it's in their best interest to continue to just shrug and go "fucking fine us then, not our money."

 

[Geranium]

They have nothing to lose and a lot of careers that would be permanently ruined by the truth with the possibility of actual criminal charges for individuals.

So it's in their best interest to continue to just shrug and go "fucking fine us then, not our money."

Yeah. I think as well a lot of the senior GIDS people are true believers in innate gender identity, and so see any and all questions of its practices as inherently transphobic. By refusing to answer they are standing up for trans people, as any information would only be used to attack them.

No, it isn’t rational, but then we didn’t end up here by these people acting rationally.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Yeah. I think as well a lot of the senior GIDS people are true believers in innate gender identity, and so see any and all questions of its practices as inherently transphobic. By refusing to answer they are standing up for trans people, as any information would only be used to attack them.

No, it isn’t rational, but then we didn’t end up here by these people acting rationally.

Honestly while there will be some true believers the vast majority are the much more common sort that you get in every job. They just want the path that offers the least stress and comes with the most advantage to them right now. Even if you give them an hour long presentation with facts and figures to support why the decision will screw them down the line they will still make the easy choice because;

a) They think it won't happen
b) They can't be bothered to take the harder choice
c) They believe they personally will experience no consequences
d) They plan to be elsewhere when the bill comes due
e) Others will fix the problems for them
f) A combination of or all of the above

And unfortunately they're usually right. Failing upwards is alarmingly common.

 

[Geranium]

Corinna Cohn, also in Kilarney the other week, claims to have overheard a conversation between Susie Green of GenderGP and Irish trans-activists, including how to "whitewash" Helen Webberley's record of unethical practise and enable the private pill-mill to sell cross-sex hormones to confused Irish children:

At the end of the second day of the conference I found myself sitting across from Susie Green of GenderGP and Tara Hewitt of TENI. Much to my shame, I have the habit of occasionally eavesdropping, and so I caught a fair bit of their conversation.

What I overheard was a conversation between Green and Hewitt about the challenges of getting GenderGP to gain access to Ireland. Green spoke about how GenderGP being a private service makes it challenging to position the group in countries with national healthcare services. Among the challenges Green detailed was the need to “whitewash” Helen Webberley’s ethics problems. Green and Hewitt discussed some tactics to “shift the HSE” by pressuring politicians within Ireland’s legislative body, the Oireachtas. Green and Hewitt mentioned severals legislators by name (TDs), but unfortunately I was not prepared to record the names as I heard them, however it’s likely that one of them was Roderic O’Gorman who advocates for teaching transgender topics to gradeschool children.

Here’s the bottom line: TENI, a group that has received millions from HSE, brought EPATH to Killarney, Ireland, where its representative Tara Hewitt plotted with Susie Green to undermine the very service that was helping to fund the event. GenderGP is infamous for bypassing all the standards that WPATH (and by extension EPATH) attempts to establish for ensuring that there are minimum guidelines for the treatment of all people seeking cross-sex medicalization.

Smuggling hormones to Irish youth - Corinna Cohn (archive)

In previous posts, I've noted how Susie Green has claimed (incorrectly) that rogue medic Helen Webberley (of "Singapore") was vindicated when the High Court overturned the MPTS verdict of serious misconduct. (It's a little bit like (R on the application of) Bell v Tavistock in that the lower tier arrived at the decision improperly, not that the findings of fact were wrong.)

Green has since been saying that Helen Webberley should win a National Diversity Award. But who nominated Webberley for the award?

@HelenWebberley, tweet 1653839089693499408 (archive)

Dr Helen Webberley (@HelenWebberley) · May 3, 2023 · 7:09 PM UTC
I am so honoured to have been nominated for the National Diversity Awards by the amazing @green_susie100 I think a win would help the trans community so much and I would be so delighted if you would consider me https://www.nationaldiversityawards.co.uk/awards-2023/nominations/dr-helen-webberley/

That's right! Susie Green nominated her own boss absolutely not her boss but just a coworker at a completely above-board firm that is totes run out of Singapore and not South Wales.

Meanwhile, Susie is retweeting her son Jack's weird clip compilations from his Twitch streams.

@green_susie100, tweet 1654045325663825920 (archive)

Susie Green (@green_susie100) · May 4, 2023 · 8:48 AM UTC
This made me laugh, the noises she makes my kid @JackieGOfficial is talented https://youtu.be/DoxEXSewY6Q

My application for chaos agent job listing… Please don’t ask for references… - YouTube (archive)
"My kid … is talented". Well, good job puberty blockers don't affect brain maturation, eh?

 

[Procopius]

Did they lobotomize the poor kid at the same time they cut his cock off? I can quite easily imagine the shyster surgeons making that sort of mistake. "Well, the nurse rolled the trolley in backwards, and I just stuck in the scissors and started snipping..." He'd fit in quite happily in a remake of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Dealing with troons reminds me of school trips to the summer fete at the local loony bin. "Be Kind," they said "Be nice to them and don't skimp on the compliments." So we did, then brutally ripped the piss out of them on the coach journey home. Plus ca change.

 

[Geranium]

Did they lobotomize the poor kid at the same time they cut his cock off?

No need to. By the time Jack had his (presumably colon) vaginoplasty on his 16th birthday in Thailand in 2009, he had already been on puberty blockers for several years, prescribed from abroad by Dr Norman Spack in the US.

There is little literature on the effect of puberty blockers (GnRH analogues) on brain maturation of trans-identified children, which shouldn't be surprising as there's very little research on puberty blockers full stop. There are a handful of studies (some linked below) which show that blockers interfere with normal brain development.

You might think of it in a similar way to bone density: normally puberty is a time of a large increase in bone density; children on puberty blockers see no increase.

I've just finished reading Hannah Barnes's book Time to Think, and strongly recommend it. At GIDS the only treatment that was offered after about 2011 was a referral for puberty blockers; and this came about under pressure from groups such as Mermaids (at that time headed by Susie Green). No talking therapy or anything else, just a referral to endocrinology for blockers. Green had already put Jack on blockers, and insisted that other children should be given the same, and was often in direct contact with senior management of the GIDS service.

GIDS referred thousands of kids for blockers; perhaps Jack is a cautionary tale of where we may see those kids end up. But, then again, no one is bothering to do the research so perhaps these kids with stunted development will just be forgotten about and we'll never be able to say either way for certain.

• The Teenage Brain - Transgender Trend (archive)
• Brain Maturation, Cognition and Voice Pattern in a Gender Dysphoria Case under Pubertal Suppression - PMC (archive)
• Effects of peripubertal gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist on brain development in sheep–a magnetic resonance imaging study - PubMed (archive)

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

@Geranium I always welcome your updates here even if almost every time I see you've posted I know they'll have me reaching for the booze.
Ireland's fucked, the odds are those involved will be trading there for years after the rest of the UK has told them if they step foot in they'll be dragged to court.

 

[ScooterL]

My application for chaos agent job listing… Please don’t ask for references… - YouTube (archive)
"My kid … is talented". Well, good job puberty blockers don't affect brain maturation, eh?

You have to wonder if the abnormal characteristic that made Susie castrate this unlucky man was autism, rather than homosexuality.

 

[Geranium]

Hilary Cass published an update on her independent review of pediatric gender dysphoria services in England on Tuesday May 9: Entry 9 – Learning together – Cass Review (archive)

It's all fairly reassuring: ongoing research, evidence-based medicine, handling children's needs holistically (rather than solely focusing on "gender").

In what would be a frankly unbelievable display of brass neck, if you didn't know her history, rogue medic Helen Webberley of GenderGP has published an open letter attacking Cass: Dr Helen Webberley’s Open Letter to Dr Cass (archive)


@GenderGP, tweet 1658427144781942785 (archive)

GenderGP (@GenderGP) · May 16, 2023 · 11:00 AM UTC
Dear Dr Cass...
In response to her latest journal entry, our very own @HelenWebberley has composed an open letter addressed to Dr. Hilary Cass. The letter explains in detail why Dr Cass’ plans are not in UK transgender patients’ best interest

https://www.gendergp.com/dr-helen-webberley-open-letter-dr-cass/?tw=1

GenderGP (@GenderGP) · May 16, 2023 · 11:00 AM UTC
We need to be vocal about the next steps for our community in the UK, we need to stand up for what's right Read the letter to see more of what needs to be done.

Susie Green, now a GenderGP wagie after being unceremoniously fired from child-sterilisation charity Mermaids last year following three child-safeguarding scandals, also tweeted it out:

@green_susie100, tweet 1658469069639802880 (archive)

Susie Green (@green_susie100) · May 16, 2023 · 1:46 PM UTC
This is what trans youth support charities should be saying in defence of trans young people in the face of a health service that is failing them. Trans healthcare is a disgrace in this country, and no more so than provision for young people.

https://www.gendergp.com/dr-helen-webberley-open-letter-dr-cass/?fb=1&fbclid=IwAR2LPMQhh6XsWjVGU54CqZEot-lYrz5biph3-fbMTcwWeg2RsJb1J5EzWfA

The letter itself has the hallmarks of being a Susie Green special. When GIDS and its puberty-blockers-or-nought approach was first going down the shitter, Mermaids would put out press releases along the lines of: "We welcome the increased scrutiny of GIDS and call for efforts to improve care for the children stuck on its waiting list" — ie, not addressing the elephant in the room that is the matter under scrutiny was ultimately the affirmative treatment model demanded by Mermaids. (And who can forget when the Department for Education issued guidance saying that children should not be told that it is possible to be "born in the wrong body", and Mermaids was going round insisting "we've never said that!". We have always been at war with Eastasia etc.)

Anyway, it kicks off by describing Webberley as "recently vindicated", which is an odd description for someone with a criminal conviction for running an unregistered health service (as "Online GP Services Ltd") after being ordered not to. (GP convicted of running transgender clinic for children without licence (archive))

Spoiler: Some background

Webberley is, on paper, not the boss of GenderGP anymore. But before she ceased to be a director of Online GP Services Ltd in April 2019, and after she was fined £25,307 (inc costs) for running an illegal healthcare service, Webberley moved GenderGP to England (without ever registering with the CQC, England's health regulator).

Then Webberley and her husband Mike, both of whom at that point had their medical licences suspended, moved GenderGP to Spain, with other EU docs writing the prescriptions for them and fulfilled by Clear Chemist and mypharmacyonline.co.uk (who were later raided by the pharmacists' regulator). Mike Webberley has since had his medical licence revoked (been "struck off" the medical register) for malpractice in his GenderGP work.

Then GenderGP was bought by Harland International, a Hong Kong shell company registered just months before Helen Webberley was convicted of running an illegal health service. (Have I mentioned that Helen Webberley was convicted of running an illegal health service?)

And now GenderGP is run by "GenderGP Pte Ltd", a Singapore company registered on December 30 2021. GenderGP's about page listed it as being owned by Harland International (HK) at least until January 29 2022, and then owned by GenderGP Pte Ltd (Singapore) from May 3 2022 at the latest.

Phew. After all that, I'm sure you think that "the staff and owners of GenderGP are committed to transparency" and certainly not that they're trying to evade regulation.

Webberley says (my emphasis):

To focus on the long-term model and turn your back on those gender incongruent young people who need access to blockers and hormones now, will cause untold harm to these young people.

I think this is the key part of the whole post. It is not really a letter to Cass but instead to trannies. The interim Cass report made clear that puberty blockers are an experimental treatment, and Cass says in the post Webberley is ostensibly replying to:

The most pressing questions relate to the use of puberty blockers, and a number of other countries have reached the same conclusion. Some have recommended that puberty blockers should only be available in the context of a research protocol, or, pending such a protocol, prescribed in exceptional circumstances.

It seems unlikely that Cass would agree that children on the waiting list "need blockers now"! (Those already off the waiting list and prescribed blockers under the GIDS regime are continuing to receive them, as I understand it.) So, again, Webberley is not addressing Cass but the outside world.

In a classic Green-ism, Webberley writes:

You talk about how you are ‘impressed by the expertise and enthusiasm of the clinical staff’ who will deliver the new service … are they being trained and guided by the very people who were criticised in the last service?

The question on everyone's minds! But why should this matter to GenderGP, which has precisely the model used by the criticised clinicians at GIDS.

Utterly reprehensible suicide-baiting:

I am concerned that many transgender young people have already faced great suffering since we spoke. Some will have died through suicide

And, again, missing the elephant in the room:

I hear there are no new referrals being made to NHS paediatric endocrinology at UCLH. There is currently no access to NHS endocrinology and this urgent need must be addressed. People need to understand how you intend to advise NHS England to triage urgent cases and provide care to those who need it today. It is simply not good enough for doctors in this country to be saying that they are not equipped to provide this care. They need to be taught immediately and I am very happy to teach them.

There are no new referrals for puberty blockers(!!!) because the Cass review has found them to be an experimental treatment which should only be administered under research conditions (which GIDS referrals absolutely were not).

At best one could say that this was written by someone who has been in a coma for 5 years, but I think it's clear that Helen Webberley and Susie Green intend to make GenderGP the rallying point for all those inclined to the affirmative model of treatment for gender dysphoria, while the NHS (we hope) moves away from it. Sadly there is no shortage of people (including Green, Webberley and almost every stinkditch lolcow on the Farms) shouting that trans-identified children will kill themselves if they don't receive puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery.

You can see this raising of the pink-and-blue flag also in the way Webberley brings up the criticism of the interim service spec by WPATH, an entirely ideological organisation. (Eunuchs? Yes! Detransitioners? No.) Or in the way she advocates against age limits (again in line with WPATH). Or her claim that the WPATH 8th "standards of care" are "evidence-based", when all the systematic reviews we have show the evidence is too poor to draw any meaningful conclusions.

There's plenty more, including Webberley (a convicted criminal!) lecturing Cass about ethics, but I'll leave it there. This is a transgenderist campaigning document, not a good-faith critique of health policy based in fact.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Sigh.
The one good thing is gathering people like Webberley and Susie in one place is potentially convenient as long as Mermaids is destroyed before Balor's eye moves to Gender GP. I am certain they will have reams of evidence from Susie's time at Mermaids when they are done there, making the next steps easier.

 

[Nero Fiddled]

I am concerned that many transgender young people have already faced great suffering since we spoke. Some will have died through suicide

It'd be interesting to see if the number of kids committing suicide because they can't get their cocks chopped off is greater or less than the 41% who commit suicide after their "life affirming surgery".

My bet is that it's way less.

 

[The Hoh Rainforest]

It is not really a letter to Cass but instead to trannies.

Or an advertisement to their parents. "Step right up, get your baby-Troonshine at GenderGP! Only source left in the sector! Spay and neuter your gay kids today! Special rates for siblings from MBP moms ! (no more than 3 siblings per bundle deal, fulfilling adult life not included, ability to orgasm not guaranteed)".

 

[Geranium]

Helen Webberley of GenderGP taking a very firm position in favour of evidence-based medicine here:

@HelenWebberley, tweet 1659104895285297152 (archive)

Dr Helen Webberley (@HelenWebberley) · May 18, 2023 · 7:53 AM UTC
Message to my trans friends.
Stop feeling the need to defend your position to those who demand ‘research’.
You know that it feels better when your body, mind and hormone profile matches your gender identity. Why wouldn’t it?

 

[Scolopendra Dramatica]

They should be allowed to strip your doctorate for statements like these. She clearly learned nothing at uni and just regurgitates well, that's goddamn destructive to acadamia that is.

Also Suzie Greens son still has a glaring man head, this young castration they're pushing for doesn't even work lmao.

 

[ScooterL]

Helen Webberley of GenderGP taking a very firm position in favour of evidence-based medicine here:
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@HelenWebberley, tweet 1659104895285297152 (archive)

There are only two possible reproductive anatomies in mammals. If gender is "a spectrum", it can't "match" one of those two anatomies except in rare cases.

These crackpots can't open their mouths without contradicting something they said last time.