Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

@Geoform 187 weird question: do you think people get dumber by choice when transitioning? Troons doing retard takes is as old as troonism, do you have any input on whether transitioners choose to act stupid or become stupid with drugs/loneliness/off balanced hormones?
Puberty blocked kids lack normal brain development, so have childlike reasoning and emotional control.

For some of the more misogynistic fetishists, "being dumb" is part of their idea of what a woman is, so it gives them validation feels (as well as AGP-boners) to make what they perceive as stereotypically dumb female decisions. Search social media for "no think", I dare ya.

I'm sure the cocktail of mind-and-body-altering drugs don't help either, nor the underlying psychiatric problems that got them trooning in the first place.
 
Occasionally, the truth slips out and someone admits the fact that they trooned out to make up for the fact that they're boring and have no personality other than being a troon.
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I wish I could force every single troon to try and describe themselves without having to resort to their troonery. Everyone who can't make it past 3 sentences deserve a bullet, they're already too far gone.
 
It struck me recently how much of a waste of time transitioning is and how much this stuff really destroys a person identity and that's why they kill themselves so often. At the end of the day, these people invest so much time into this stuff for years on end with drugs/surgeries etc, when they decide to detransition they have to feel immense regret just from all the time they'll never get back being someone they weren't.

This shit is not going to end well when a large number of kids today are seemingly trooning out and are absolutely detransition only a few years after getting surgeries and hormones fucking up their body forever.
 
weird question: do you think people get dumber by choice when transitioning? Troons doing retard takes is as old as troonism, do you have any input on whether transitioners choose to act stupid or become stupid with drugs/loneliness/off balanced hormones?

As in, are they being wilfully ignorant of reality? In the majority of cases no. They do actually believe the things they say.

If there's anything I learned from my time in the trans community, it's that people can convince themselves of anything with a good enough reason - and it's a lot easier and more convenient to believe "trans women are women" and all the wacky ideas that come with it, rather than choose to actually fix yourself.

Of course, basing your entire identity around a falsehood is enough to drive you stir fucking crazy, even if you think you're telling the truth. I won't rule out the possibility that HRT plays a part but most troons are deep into the delusion long before they get on hormones anyway. It does affect your emotions somewhat.

Being terminally online obviously doesn't help matters either.
 
If there's anything I learned from my time in the trans community, it's that people can convince themselves of anything with a good enough reason - and it's a lot easier and more convenient to believe "trans women are women" and all the wacky ideas that come with it, rather than choose to actually fix yourself.
That makes sense. Intelligent people are more gullible because they can do this better. It's less that you lose intelligence and more choose to drop things to not contradict something earlier stated because it'd ruin too much (like social lifes and such).
 
This thought has been entering my mind a bit but why haven't i seen people counter the claim"What about the trans people who pass well" with "The mimicry analogy"?Basically using TRAs stupid argument about passing trans people is basically saying this leaf bug is a real leaf because it looks like one, and you wouldn't be able to tell!So leaf bugs are leaves!
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This thought has been entering my mind a bit but why haven't i seen people counter the claim"What about the trans people who pass well" with "The mimicry analogy"?Basically using TRAs stupid argument about passing trans people is basically saying this leaf bug is a real leaf because it looks like one, and you wouldn't be able to tell!So leaf bugs are leaves! View attachment 5108385
If a TW passes well enough that I can’t tell through casual observation, then of course I’m going to treat them as a woman, because what else am I supposed to do? Similarly, if I‘m casually looking at a tree, I‘m not going to go in for a close inspection of all its leaves in case one of them is actually a bug.

But that’s in a casual context.

Turns out there are important non-casual contexts where it really does matter if someone is something, or merely looks like something. Such as: arranging for prostate cancer screening. It doesn’t matter how well you pass - for the purpose of getting a prostate examination, you’re a man.

What other non-casual contexts are there, where your biological sex is more important than your presentation gender? Well, most of them.

Dating. Looks will get you through the interview. Mancrotch (or botchcrotch) will get you fired.

Prisons and bathrooms. Transwomen retain male pattern offending.

Sports. Transwoman have innate physical advantages derived from testosterone, puberty, and socialisation.

Basically all of the hot button culture war trans-inclusion scenarios are non-casual contexts where it‘s sex that matters, not passing.

Edit: of course, >99% don’t pass anyway.
 
Every time bathtub HRT comes up, it makes me wonder what would happen if you set up a diy hormone site and just sold nothing. Whatever the injection equivalent of a sugar pill is. I’m willing to bet the vast majority of those buying diy hormones would entirely believe it is working wonders anyway and be thrilled with the product with less harm done
 
So I’ve got a theory about whose fault TWAW is: it’s ours.

You know how men used to “identify as” women, and how you don’t hear that phrase as often these days? It’s because of the attack helicopter joke. Transactivists and leftists whine that “the right only has one joke”, but the reason for this is because the right only needs one joke, and it’s not a joke: it’s a 100% effective refutation of the concept of “identifying as” something. It lays bare, by analogy, why ”identifying as a woman” is such a boneheaded not-even-wrong thing to say.

So although there was no formal admission of defeat, men decided that they would no longer merely be men who “identify as” women, but that they would be women. It’s still a reality-denying science-denying sense-denying statement, yet a stronger one that is not immediately debunkable just by mentioning attack helicopters.

There you go, we did it. Congratulations!
 
So I’ve got a theory about whose fault TWAW is: it’s ours.

You know how men used to “identify as” women, and how you don’t hear that phrase as often these days? It’s because of the attack helicopter joke. Transactivists and leftists whine that “the right only has one joke”, but the reason for this is because the right only needs one joke, and it’s not a joke: it’s a 100% effective refutation of the concept of “identifying as” something. It lays bare, by analogy, why ”identifying as a woman” is such a boneheaded not-even-wrong thing to say.

So although there was no formal admission of defeat, men decided that they would no longer merely be men who “identify as” women, but that they would be women. It’s still a reality-denying science-denying sense-denying statement, yet a stronger one that is not immediately debunkable just by mentioning attack helicopters.

There you go, we did it. Congratulations!
So if I say "I am an opossum" that's not immediately debunkable?

What you are describing is just the typical progression of disordered thoughts. They would have gotten there whether we'd joked about helicopters or not.
 
Occasionally, the truth slips out and someone admits the fact that they trooned out to make up for the fact that they're boring and have no personality other than being a troon.View attachment 5105312

I wish I could force every single troon to try and describe themselves without having to resort to their troonery. Everyone who can't make it past 3 sentences deserve a bullet, they're already too far gone.

It reminds me of that James St James club kid guy. He was with that Desmond is Amazing talking about ketamine a while back. Back in the eighties being some loud obnoxious gay dude in make up was enough to be ‘different’ and outrageous. Now that cis gay is almost as dirty a label as ‘white male’ you’ll see him licking the troon boot on twitter and offering up milquetoast Stephen King tier taking points with a little snark added.
 
I almost walked out of a MedSpa yesterday for offering Hormone Replacement Therapy until I realized it was the anti-aging kind and not the troon kind. Fucking lol.

It sounds so terminally online, but I cannot in good faith support that practice or establishment in any direct form.
 
The Glenn Show- I Feel Therefore I am | archive
relevant part begins at 26:30

John McWhorter and Mark Goldblatt discuss how the woke left elevates subjective experience over provable, objective fact. They spend some time on how the rape accusation against Kavanaugh should be discounted on the basis of the lack of objective evidence. No if's, no buts, no evidence no consideration.

They move on to discuss troons. Somehow troons are different: it is objectively false that humans can change sex. However, the only issues they see are bathrooms (where McWhorter says 'we' [women] should make accommodations), and sports (with which Goldblatt is uncomfortable... and says nothing more about it). For Goldblatt the only thing that matters is the damage done to our ability to have any kind of discussion when we don't care about what's actually true. McWhorter, who is upfront about the fact that he hasn't thought deeply about any of this because he thinks it's disturbing but does think troons can't be mentally ill because there's too many of them for that to be the case, really, really wants to give whatever is asked for.

Notably, none of these three dudes seem to have any fucks to give about the obvious costs that will be paid primarily by women, on whose behalf they feel they can make concessions to troons. In fact, it's almost like women don't even exist at all during this discussion, let alone as stakeholders. Also notable: despite the fact that they only have only the mildest of concerns about opening up women's single sex spaces to men, this video was taken down from Youtube because of supposed hate speech. Glenn Loury is justifiably miffed over that..

Look at these dudes. They don't for a second buy that you can actually change sex or that the declaration of such has any real meaning. And yet, somehow, the real world consequences of this truth claim never enter into the discussion. Put a troon in a women's prison and let him rape his way through it? That's disturbing, so let's not think about it. Women's sports becoming little more than third rate men competing against women taking gender affirming steroids? Kind of uncomfortable. But don't you fucking dare call McWhorter a transphobe.

I wasn't sure if I should even post this. It's not really hitting on funny or fucked up shit about the trans rights movement other than the strange ease with which women seem to vanish from consideration. I'm also a little worried that this comes uncomfortably close the to TRA battle cry of "My existence isn't up for debate!". But these guys talking about how our beliefs must comport with reality, while also saying be kind and let men into women's bathrooms because that's not such a big deal? Facts matter, but let's not bother with things like athletics records and demographics information?

Maybe this is a good summary, both the video and my salt:
Why not let them call themselves women? It's only words, people who have a cervix.
- John McWhorter, probably

The real issue isn't the juggernaut in a skirt cracking women's skulls in MMA, it's that it's making it hard for me to talk about politics.
- Mark Goldblatt, probably
 
McWhorter, who is upfront about the fact that he hasn't thought deeply about any of this because he thinks it's disturbing but does think troons can't be mentally ill because there's too many of them for that to be the case, really, really wants to give whatever is asked for.
He's never been in a homeless area. There's so many schizos, they can't be mentally ill, it has to be a culture!
 
This is gonna sound like it's doomposting, but here goes.

If I remember right, currently younger millennial and especially zoomer women are the ones trooning out at an alarming rate. Mostly due to a cross of abuse, oversexualization in our society frightening them, and on their own blame, pornsickness.

The latter part is relevant to this thought - the internet as a whole knows of the concept of the femcel as parallel to the incel, but they're a blip compared to the latter. But once troonery inevitably runs its course and we're stuck with all the trannies who got lied to and chopped themselves up, I can really see "femcels" take off as a thing when these TIFs - and TIFs already make up the vast majority of detransitioners, remember! - cannot for the life of them find any man willing to date them or even fuck them with their mutilated bodies, and all the worse as they get older and hit the wall as women are wont to do, like it or lump it. We already have so many millennials of both sexes now having trouble dating in terms of a simple lack of social skills and/or isolation that I suspect will stay for life, there's a news article floating around stating that forty-five or fifty percent or so of adult women will be single by the end of the decade, and all that'll only compound this hypothetical wave of sex-and-affection-starved TIFs.

Now I'll be fair and say that society usually finds men more expendable or way harder to care about, like it or lump it, and so is part of why you find incels as a thing being left in the lurch (rightly or wrongly, usually the former). But it's definitely a troubled society that would find itself a bunch of incels, except they're women! - how badly did it fuck up to get to THAT point, and what's it gonna be like dealing with a horde of angry and desperate women, ones that even likely knew what it was like to get attention or desire pre-transition but never will again? It won't be good, that's for damn sure.
 
He's never been in a homeless area. There's so many schizos, they can't be mentally ill, it has to be a culture!
When I heard about this episode I though oh cool, this is going to be a calm, thoughtful, intelligent conversation about how disconnection from reality has caused real world social, legal and political problems. There's a lot to talk about, and no shortage of facts, theory, competing interests and history that have lead us to this point. I am completely here for it. These guys are going to help me understand different perspectives and recons...

"I haven't thought too deeply about this..."
"This makes me uncomfortable."

Oh. Never mind that then.
 
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