Legend of Zelda thread - Lorefags GTFO!

[Epoch]

Where did the timeline shit even come from? Even when I was a kid, I knew a lot of the games were disconnected with similar elements. OoT got the most direct sequels out of any (Or is it whatever link went on the minish cap stuff?) Wind Waker had little to no connection to it other than people saying the birds were connected to the zora or some shit.

It officially came from Hyrule Historia in 2011, the Skyward Sword design works/celebration of the series

 

[God of Nothing]

It officially came from Hyrule Historia in 2011, the Skyward Sword design works/celebration of the series

Obviously, that was a mistake.

If I had to make an actual guess for the starting point?

The official Ocarina of Time Nintendo Players Guide

It had a whole section about the "history" of Zelda and how it hasn't been told in the chronological order and thus they leave it up to you to decide the truth.

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Although IIRC I think marketing/promotional material for Link to the Past also set up some precedent for it as well but I'm not old enough to remember it.

It should've been something like this.
The Hero of Time is still the best and most tragic Link. All other Links are femboy beta males. Yes, even his own descendant.

 

[Dildo_SHwaggins]

I never understood why people cared so much about the timeline. Its obvious to anyone thats not autistic that Nintendo didn't plan out a timeline in advance and they were making it up as they went along. It didn't make sense when Nintendo made an "official" timeline and it was going to make less sense as more games came out.

The timeline doesn't even add anything to the games. They are mostly self contained stories with some direct sequels here and there.

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

This video was a nice commentary on Kotaku being a Kotaku. Remember: gamers journos are dead.

It was on Yellow Flash too.

 

[Pissmaster]

It officially came from Hyrule Historia in 2011, the Skyward Sword design works/celebration of the series

I remember there being a good amount of babbling about the timeline online before that came out.

I always thought it was stupid. The Legend of Zelda is a series of legends about a broad named Zelda. Legends are a type of story that fundamentally cannot have a solid timeline.



Every several hundred years a faggot retard named Ganon tries to pull some shit, and a good ol' boy named Link shows up and kicks his ass. There's also a broad named Zelda who is in the middle of all of it, and since she's monarchy she gets the title credit. There is presumably a planet somewhere out there where all this supposedly happened, and the tales were passed down through generations. Maybe there's a modern planet somewhere out there where Hyrule is a metropolis and they have a religion where they're waiting for the birth of a new Link to take down whatever politicians are fucking up their lives. Maybe they're expecting a globalist named Ganon to show up, and then Link will save the day with a sternly-worded video essay. I dunno. This is getting too autistic. I say there's no solid timeline because there can't possibly be one.

 

[TV's Adam West]

the inital version of his post ended at the question mark. grammar-nazi shit is niggery

Shut the fuck up, retard.

 

[TV's Adam West]

Midna fuckers devastated, the twili where replaced with goats

IT'S NOT FAIR GOD DAMN IT

 

[God of Nothing]

IT'S NOT FAIR GOD DAMN IT

cope and seethe, impcuck

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

I remember there being a good amount of babbling about the timeline online before that came out.

I can honestly say that from the time I got on the internet (1999) I saw talk of a Zelda timeline. Of course, back then it was pretty simple, but people still wanted to connect a "history" so that's why I think LttP Marketing and the OoT guide are a good point for why such an idea took hold.

It only got retardedly obsessive and argumentative with Wind Waker and/or Twilight Princess I think, but of course that was also when I started getting out of Zelda in favor of Elder Scrolls so maybe I just missed something.

I said from the start BotW was clearly a total reboot, and that the old games were just "Legends" told in that world. Now hearing all this timey wimey shit coming up in these leaks I have no fucking idea what the intention is but I do know with 100% certainty they do not give a fiddlers fuck about this timeline nonsense and lorefags that keep bringing it up should be shot into the sun.

 

[Betonhaus]

The Hyrule Historia has a pretty clear guide to the timeline which is nice

 

[God of Nothing]

The Hyrule Historia has a pretty clear guide to the timeline which is nice

Except Wind Waker's is a big stretch and the Hero of Legend's is complete bullshit.

I started getting out of Zelda in favor of Elder Scrolls

based
fuck timelines, time itself and existence is a subjective nightmare influenced by perception and belief

 

[Otoya Yamaguchi]

Think of it like using a limited set of puppets to tell different stories, example:
Romani (MM) and Malon (OoT) are the same model, both are girls the age of young link that work in their family ranch, but their context and stories are completely different, same goes for everything else. the only models that wheren't re-used where plot related ones (zelda/sheik, sages, ganondorf).
I believe TotK attempted something similar but it didn't scrap enough of BotW story to make sense, leaving this weird empty sense of discountinuity and retcons and making the Zonai feel like they appeared out of nowhere in the time skip between BotW and TotK
You don't need to play OoT to apreciate MM, but it seems TotK is expecting you to know what happened in BotW to get the story started and yet at the same time it keeps sweeping its predecesor under the rug for some reason

Shut the fuck up, retard.

GAYYYYYY

 

[Creep3r]

The Hyrule Historia has a pretty clear guide to the timeline which is nice

I don't know man, this just looks needlessly convoluted.

It gets even more needlessly cluttered by trying to shove in an irrelevant third timeline where Link dies just so they can have a place to put all of the earlier Zelda games. These same guides also try to dismiss the events of Majora's Mask as just a dream which kind of undermines any sense of urgency in the story, which makes it hard to care for said guides.

To be frank, the only games that seemed to have any real continuity between them I guess were the first two Zelda games and maybe OoT, MM, Wind Waker, Oracles, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. I mean, if they wanted to I guess they could've shoved all of the games into a single linear timeline easily enough with several centuries between them, I certainly would've preferred that but they didn't and instead settled on this mess because I guess it was popular with lorefags obsessed with the time travel mechanic who really love the idea of alternate timelines/multiverse for some reason (even though that's just a convoluted can of worms) or for those who didn't like the idea of Wind Waker being a direct sequel to Ocarina. Personally, as a kid I always just assumed the future timeline in OoT was erased after Link went back in time to warn Zelda.

It seems pretty clear that Breath of the Wild was meant to be a complete reboot when you had the devs talking about how all of the past games "faded into myth". I mean, with BotW I guess lorefags could still try to headcanon some things still happening since the game had a lot of easter eggs to past games, even the bones of all those whale gods, but after TotK's bullshit story, there's just no more room for any of that, so it just seems like a complete reboot with any easter eggs to past games becoming simply that: easter eggs. Yet there will still be lorefags like Zeltiik and some of those Zelda youtube trannies trying to convince themselves that Nintendo, Shiggy and Aonuma still care about story despite having thrown it out the window since probably Skyward Sword (which was pretty sucky as an origin story), and even more so after TotK.

 

[Epoch]

the only games that seemed to have any real continuity between them I guess were OoT, MM, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks.

I think the mess started when Wind Waker had OoT as the background history, but then Twilight Princess also had OoT as its background. I guess that's where the alternate timeline garbage came from

 

[God of Nothing]

I think the mess started when Wind Waker had OoT as the background history

Did it? Hyrule underwater looks vaguely familiar, but the master sword and Ganon are too different.

 

[Epoch]

Did it? Hyrule underwater looks vaguely familiar, but the master sword and Ganon are too different.

The intro cutscene, the legend re-tells Ocarina of Time, but then the Hero doesn't return and so Ganondorf floods Hyrule.

 

[Betonhaus]

Did it? Hyrule underwater looks vaguely familiar, but the master sword and Ganon are too different.

ALBW also had the master sword be reforged so that might explain things.

 

[God of Nothing]

The intro cutscene, the legend re-tells Ocarina of Time, but then the Hero doesn't return and so Ganondorf floods Hyrule.

Really? Fuck, it's been years.

 

[Creep3r]

I think the mess started when Wind Waker had OoT as the background history, but then Twilight Princess also had OoT as its background. I guess that's where the alternate timeline garbage came from

IIRC I also remember a lot of autists in the Zelda community, especially the Zelda forums, always trying to push the idea of a Zelda multiverse way before even those games came out just because of the time travel gimmick in OoT. I remember one of these fags (I think he named himself after Carl Sagan) constantly pushed retarded theories like these, some of which also involved proving how magic isn't real and that the gods are all a bunch of scientists and Hyrule is a simulation.

Zelda lorefags seem to care more about autistic multiverse theories and finding secret clues that don't exist, even when the story and lore wasn't that complicated, or barely connected outside of some games, especially after TotK, which I'm half expecting them to try and damage control for to prove just how the whole saga is still interconnected and the devs haven't totally abandoned past lore for the sake of an obvious furry zonai-focued reboot.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Is it really proof? All the screenshots just seem to be calling it Zelda's house rather than Link & Zelda's house, and the characters don't seem to act like Link lives there. Even Zelda's diary has her say that Link added a new room in "my house" rather than "our house".

Although maybe the japanese version is more blatant about them living together and Treehouse just censored it because they're fags?

I'm curious about thst possibility now, they do purposefully screw with games that way.

@BananaSplit² If you play the BotW DLC TotK maybe you can address this at some point.

I never understood why people cared so much about the timeline. Its obvious to anyone thats not autistic that Nintendo didn't plan out a timeline in advance and they were making it up as they went along. It didn't make sense when Nintendo made an "official" timeline and it was going to make less sense as more games came out.

The timeline doesn't even add anything to the games. They are mostly self contained stories with some direct sequels here and there.

I think it goes both ways. People ravenously hating anyone paying any degree of attention to anything going on between the games are just as bad (or worse) than the autists poring over map data between games for any hint of a correlation.

It seems pretty clear that Breath of the Wild was meant to be a complete reboot when you had the devs talking about how all of the past games "faded into myth".

If that was their exact phrasing (I didn't pay attention to anything surrounding BotW) then it just sounds like an immense amount of time has passed since those games and/or history has been lost for some reason (some kind of disaster).