Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[XYZpdq Jr.]

As reported in the Disney thread, the hotel shuts down at the end of September

 

[ZMOT]

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where?
indy 1 where he tried to get the idol for a museum before belloq can do it and sell it off? the ark wasn't unless you wanna call egyptians indigenous.
indy 2 where he recovered the sankara stone for the village, literally helping the indigenous?
indy 3 where he again tried to get the grail before the nazis did?

hardly remember indy 4 but pretty sure there wasn't anything like that either with the skull.

 

[Polyboros2]

hardly remember indy 4 but pretty sure there wasn't anything like that either with the skull.

The Skull is a piece of a living alien that he's trying to keep out of the hands of the Communists. He actual fails and she returns it to the temple, resurrecting the alien and it goes to another dimension.

 

[Grave Ghost]

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I got to say, after seeing those retarded "hur punch Nazis like Indiana Jones" memes for the better part of a decade seeing Indy get cannibalized by those same types is the cherry on this sundae.

As reported in the Disney thread, the hotel shuts down at the end of September

DEAD BRAND

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

As reported in the Disney thread, the hotel shuts down at the end of September

How much did that thing cost? Per the Daily Mail, maybe up to $2 billion for the parks in CA and FL, and the hotel?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-hotel-Disney-World-close-just-one-year.html

Reports indicate the parks and the Galactic Starcruiser cost some $2 billion to build.​

https://archive.ph/axlW3

Assuming an even split between parks, if California bore the brunt of design (since it opened first), and that's maybe 1/3 to 1/2 overall cost, the hotel was probably $300-500 million? Probably way off, but jebus.

Hell hole with no windows? It'll make a great prison for DeSantis.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

How much did that thing cost? Per the Daily Mail, maybe up to $2 billion for the parks in CA and FL, and the hotel?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-hotel-Disney-World-close-just-one-year.html

https://archive.ph/axlW3

Assuming an even split between parks, if California bore the brunt of design (since it opened first), and that's maybe 1/3 to 1/2 overall cost, the hotel was probably $300-500 million? Probably way off, but jebus.

Hell hole with no windows? It'll make a great prison for DeSantis.

I'm pretty sure forcing criminals into an endless star wars larp with no windows counts as cruel and unusual punishment

 

[Male Idiot]

Aside from eating Chicom shit, Nixon had been one of the better if naive as fuck U.S. Presidents since Coolidge. which leads to the "Imperials weren't the bad guys" Star Wars fan sect. Given the documented and recorded atrocities the communist Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army had done including liquidating several million South Vietnamese and re-educating tens of millions more. Aside from skull-fucking the North Vietnam to the negotiation table, ending U.S. direct involvement in the war other providing South Vietnam ammunition and parts and iirc air support. What great fucking evil atrocity had Nixon done, and killing communists doesn't count?

He was a republican, duh. That's all Hollyweird ever needed. And he said mean things about muh minorities, literally Trumpler!

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Already read the classics like the Thrawn trilogy and Dark empire, i've heard I, Jedi

It's good.

and The Last Jedi are pretty good if anyone can confirm,

There are three things called "The Last Jedi".
A YA book series (not very good).
An old (old like 70s) Marvel comic (not very good)
A novel - good but to fully enjoy it I would recommend reading Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter and Coruscant Nights trilogy as it concludes an arc started in Maul novel.

but always open to suggestions.

You can't go wrong with Matthew Stover. Shatterpoint is pretty much Heart of Darkness but with Mace Windu as the main character. Traitor is very good but it's a part of a long series (as in: 19 books long). Shadows of Mindor was already recommended.
Darth Plagueis will probably give you new appreciation for The Phantom Menace.

 

[Adamska]

2 billion dollars to build something that looks like a North Korean Execution Center and it just lost all that money. That's up there with them getting sued over lying to investors by shuffling losses into different divisions to fraudulently pump up their portfolio during talks.

It actually is impressive on how the only thing Disney's good at right now is taking the most malicious and retarded option that destroys them more than their imagined enemies.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

I enjoy SWTOR, but god damn is the discussions surrounding it a well of bad takes. "I can play a Sith Lord, pick all the evil options and yet still pick good options, so obviously there's no downside or consequence to using the dark side. And this has nothing to do with how a Theme park MMO that couldn't even allow you to directly kill off Companions because it inconvienced people who didn't think through killing their healers isn't going to introduce any meaningful concequences for you alignment."

 

[Michael Wade]

So I finished Jedi Survivor and I had a good time with it.

First off I want to talk about the Disney centric stuff, which honestly isnt bad. There's a couple sequel aliens, including Klaud with an eyepatch, but none of them have major roles and they were nice enough to pick ones that are not too ugly. Except for one space hamster thing ( that you get to kill)

The high republic elements are a little interesting but very underutilized. You dont really get a feel or understanding for how different the republic or jedi were back then. Or even why the jedi do what they did that pissed of the main bad guy.

The cross saber was awesome. It's one of the few designs that actually worked from the sequels and they don't treat it as anything special lore wise. Kal just picks one up from some raiders and makes it his own. It's the best weapon in the game and does massive amounts of damage. Only gripe is that guard portions are not nearly as big as kylo's. We cant make the cross imagery too obvious you see. (sigh)

The gameplay is great, Very solid and a lot more refined. Although with the new gun and saber combo I was able to cheese A LOT of bosses. When fully upgraded you get access to attack that basically has unlimited ammo at the cost of all your force. It's kinda broken, Although I only used it for monsters. Could have used another world or two but I liked how the main world Koboh is so dam big and zelda like.

The plot has a strong start and it's overall decent but it kinda deflated a little bit towards the end? The final boss fight was great, but I think it really came down to the fact that they left the door open for a 3rd one like they did with Fallen order and it was a bit more jarring.

I think my favorite thing about this game narratively is it really sells just how big and powerful the empire is. And why the surviving (smart) jedi decided to hang up their swords. Cal's been fighting nonstop for 5 years and he's barely made a dent in them. He's got a decent and well done strategy when it comes to his hit and run tactics, but without the rebellion around he's barely doing anything productive in the grand scheme of things. Really, what the hell can he do? Even if cal or any other Jedi somehow kill Vader, Sidious has got a 100 other replacements lined up to take his place. Even if you achieved the impossible and killed the emperor there's no guarantee the moff's are going to be any better. It's to the point where his old group straight up disbands because they see the writing on the wall and know it's pointless. And I loved that. They actually did a good job fitting this character into the canon in such a way that made sense.


Oh and the vader fight was actually really good. He's the hardest boss in the game and you have to fight extremely aggressively to beat him. If you try to be conservative he will destroy you. I thought they did a better job with the black chick overall, Aside from a Frankenstein like first flashback cutscene that makes her look absolutely horrible. They actually fixed her character model when you finally meet up with her. Which was weird.



There's a lot of collectables. Probably too many in all honesty, you can change your gun, hair, clothing and lightsaber whenever you want. (cant mess with the ship color anymore though) I ended up going for a MGSV look and gave Cal a bandana beard.

Pretty badass, but there's one moment that was extremely ridiculous. At one point towards the endgame you have to wear an imperial uniform but Cal will keep whatever's on his head and he wont be able to take it off. So my solid snake bandana head was wearing a suit trying to blend in with imperials. It was hilarious.


Is it worth 70 dollars? no. Is it the best star wars game in 20 years? lord no. Is it a good dark souls/god of war/zelda jedi game? yes

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

How much did that thing cost? Per the Daily Mail, maybe up to $2 billion for the parks in CA and FL, and the hotel?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-hotel-Disney-World-close-just-one-year.html

https://archive.ph/axlW3

Assuming an even split between parks, if California bore the brunt of design (since it opened first), and that's maybe 1/3 to 1/2 overall cost, the hotel was probably $300-500 million? Probably way off, but jebus.

Hell hole with no windows? It'll make a great prison for DeSantis.

I don't get how they'd rather shut it down than make sane prices that a middle income family could go in and pay 20% more than a regular hotel in the area. I remember the prices were so crazy you would pay the same to fly to western europe at a 4 star hotel meals included for double the amount of days.

I don't hear about it being talked here, but I wonder what are the consequences of Influencer culture on business decision because it is very clear that the hotel was made to get influencers in to promote the place. But every sane person looking at it will say that it will take a particularly crazy Disney adult to morgage the house for shitty roleplay session.

 

[Feathers McGraw]

I don't get how they'd rather shut it down than make sane prices that a middle income family could go in and pay 20% more than a regular hotel in the area.

Because they made retarded decisions every step of the way when planning the project. It only has 100 rooms and is basically just a windowless featureless building where the 'value' comes from the LARPing failed actors they hire to entertain the guests. There's too much cost involved in running it for it to be cheap. The rooms are also tiny and low-quality so it would fail if they tried to market it as a hotel. Also it is not walkable from the rest of the attractions and is not on any of the bus routes they operate so would face other monetary/logistical hurdles (security checks etc.) if they wanted to have guests coming/going all day.

If they had just invested in an actual luxury Star Wars themed hotel it would probably have done well. I really want to know how they came to the decision that what fans really want is to be locked in a windowless room and forced to do improv roleplay with cosplayers for an entire weekend.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Because they made retarded decisions every step of the way when planning the project. It only has 100 rooms and is basically just a windowless featureless building where the 'value' comes from the LARPing failed actors they hire to entertain the guests. There's too much cost involved in running it for it to be cheap. The rooms are also tiny and low-quality so it would fail if they tried to market it as a hotel. Also it is not walkable from the rest of the attractions and is not on any of the bus routes they operate so would face other monetary/logistical hurdles (security checks etc.) if they wanted to have guests coming/going all day.

If they had just invested in an actual luxury Star Wars themed hotel it would probably have done well. I really want to know how they came to the decision that what fans really want is to be locked in a windowless room and forced to do improv roleplay with cosplayers for an entire weekend.

It's amazing how Disney is able to turn gold to shit. I forgot how bad the rooms looked with a shitty led screen rather than a window.

If it was up to me I'd put the structure in a dome with screens showing stars and nebulas and had the roleplaying be optional while the adults just treat it like the Spaceship Titanic.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

I don't get how they'd rather shut it down than make sane prices that a middle income family could go in and pay 20% more than a regular hotel in the area

Largely what @Feathers McGraw said. The low room count and high staffing needs made it expensive, especially since much of the staff had to go apply makeup before working (and then remove it after, shortening their shifts). I also believe face characters like those who need makeup, get paid significantly more.

that what fans really want is to be locked in a windowless room and forced to do improv roleplay with cosplayers for an entire weekend.

I think Disney still hasn't cracked the code on Universal's Wizarding World of Harry Potter, and it's driving the Imagineers to make dumb decisions to try to one-up Universal.

 

[ZMOT]

I really want to know how they came to the decision that what fans really want is to be locked in a windowless room and forced to do improv roleplay with cosplayers for an entire weekend.

because some of those "fans" are retarded consoomers, just look over here: https://kiwifarmsaaf4t2h7gc3dfc5ojh...ion/threads/disney-adults-disneymania.150109/

however they are nowhere near enough to carry a hotel like that, let alone repeatedly for years. more casual fans might be interested, but they've been priced out.
star wars shitting the bed doesn't help either, it _might_ have been a good idea 10 years ago when TFA made 2 billion dollars on inertia and goodwill, but that's over too.

 

[Screamer_2]

Because they made retarded decisions every step of the way when planning the project. It only has 100 rooms and is basically just a windowless featureless building where the 'value' comes from the LARPing failed actors they hire to entertain the guests. There's too much cost involved in running it for it to be cheap. The rooms are also tiny and low-quality so it would fail if they tried to market it as a hotel. Also it is not walkable from the rest of the attractions and is not on any of the bus routes they operate so would face other monetary/logistical hurdles (security checks etc.) if they wanted to have guests coming/going all day.

If they had just invested in an actual luxury Star Wars themed hotel it would probably have done well. I really want to know how they came to the decision that what fans really want is to be locked in a windowless room and forced to do improv roleplay with cosplayers for an entire weekend.

The embracing of LARPING has to be one of the biggest indicators that people making decisions don't understand fandoms at all. They are completely out of touch. Who fucking LARPS? It's not mainstream at all. Yet for some reason they have some idea that is what fans like to do and want. Like they're all fucking children dressing up for Halloween. It's so dumb. It's also how they depict fandoms in TV shows and films now. As larping children.

They watched The Big Bang Theory. Saw a video of Adam Savage at Comic Con. Then watching some human interest story of nerds larping with medieval weapons and decided that is all of fandom of anything that isn't sports.

When unironically, sports is where people actually do fucking dress up and larp. When was the last time anyone saw anyone dress up to go to the movies? or to watch a TV show? Maybe some mid night premier or special event. Normally no. Yet fucking sports fans dress up to go to the stadium. They will wear stuff at home. They will wear stuff to watching the sport at a bar.

If they had just invested in an actual luxury Star Wars themed hotel it would probably have done well.

They could have done a "Grand Palace of Naboo" hotel and attracted fans and non fans because it could be a beautiful hotel.

Then for normal people, just go hotel where it's just different buildings themed around different aspects of Star Wars. Have a swimming pool based of Scariff where it's tropical with At-At's over it. Have water slides coming out of them into the pool. Who cares if it's all silly. It's meant to be fun for families.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

As reported in the Disney thread, the hotel shuts down at the end of September

For those of us who followed the thread (and @Creep3r 's updates about the hotel) in real time, this comes as no surprise.

As already stated, the ridiculous price combined with mandatory (IIRC) roleplay at any and all hours of the day was a recipe for failure because the average normie can't afford something like this - especially since inflation skyrocketed following the opening - and the roleplay aspect is a one and done kind of thing that offers little if anything new for those foolish enough to go to the hotel more than once.

On another level, it's indicative of Disney's poor handling of the SW franchise: Sink oodles of money into stuff that's neither well liked nor sustainable while alienating the casual and average fans that kept the SW franchise popular over the decades. None of the newer stuff looks appealing despite Disney's efforts to pander to kids and the diehard consumers.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

The embracing of LARPING has to be one of the biggest indicators that people making decisions don't understand fandoms at all.

this in particular
I've worn costumes at cons, and even did the local weekly Mind's Eye Theater larp back in the day, but the there's no fucking way I want that shit for two days straight
over on WDWmagic there's a line of thought (that I agree with) that a big hurdle is that you have to sign up for two days of that shit non-stop for everybody
over at Wizarding World you _can_ get the wand and all the other fiddly detail shit, or you can just ride the Hagrid rollercoaster

there's a lot of people who have a very limited tolerance for Fun Cruise Activites (tm) and just want to enjoy the scenery, then the mouse cheaped out on big space windows on the space cruise, so you're just stuck in a dull room indoors

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/goto/post?id=10619938

has some good comparisons between the ideas and the execution

and how about those Totally Star Wars Fun Cruise Activities?

https://youtu.be/iQOBTvR5uFA

 

[draggs]

Disney's retarded hotel disproves Scientist Man's theory that Disney could make money off Star Wars by targeting the most die hard man child SW consoomers with hilariously overpriced exclusive experiences and endless products (aka the irl "micro"transaction model) available at those experiences to get excited about