Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Word of "Russian seperatists" within Russia.

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Matt Damon said:
lmao is the new cope seriously that the Russians are winning, but not fast enough to impress you?

"Okay, so you fucked my wife, but you didn't even last very long!"
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That has been the cope for pretty much the entire war, before the threads were split, most pro ukes used Russia's "snail pace" as proof they were badly losing the war, similarly when Mariupol fell, again the cope was that the city was "insignificant" and the Ruskies "took too long to capture it" therefore Mariupol was a Victory for the hohols... in their minds
 
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Betonhaus said:
who could've thought that DU ammo was a bad thing? at this point introducing that stuff into a war should count as a war crime
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The radiation from DU is negligible. You'll suffer the usual heavy metal toxicity effects long before radiation even begins to matter.

You've inhaled more lead in your lifetime than you'll ever inhale U238 in a warzone that's actively using it.
 
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A plea to stop circlejerking: With PMC Wagner (at least temporarily) gone and the focus off of Bakhmut, and the Kremlin/MOD fucking up even more than usual lately, we are likely on the precipice of several major Russian losses (thanks to the MOD). ​

I'm as happy about the Bakhmut win as anyone, but this thread's gone to shit lately and has become as circlejerky as the 5D-chess crowd (all the big pro-Z twitter accounts). Little-to-no mention in this thread about the attack on the Kremlin, how 1.5 years into this war Ukraine is still shelling Donetsk city, the grain deal, how Russia hasn't advanced in 8 months besides Wagner in Bakhmut, etc. etc.

Ukraine bombed the Kremlin, and Russia's 'response' was to extend the grain deal another 2 months. Russia continues to supply Ukraine with over 40% of its oil, the bulk of its petrochemical/chemical needs, and much of its food. The Dnieper bridges remain standing.

I remain convinced that the RU MOD is actively trying to lose the war, but gracefully. One part of the Pentagon leaks that nobody in the pro-Z twitter sphere (or here) mentioned was the claim that the entire RU MOD is compromised with numerous spies at the highest levels, and that US officials (and by extension, Ukraine) are preemptively informed of all missile strikes by Russia. 6 months of this thread spamming the Air Raid Siren maps of Ukraine almost every night, and what is there to show for it? When was the last time a RU missile killed a big number of UA troops? All that circlejerking ended up resulting in nothing actually happening besides the 2 ammo depot explosions (Pavhlorad/Khmelnitsky), which conveniently had zero UA troops guarding them at the time and all UA officials evacuated beforehand, and all they did was excuse the West to send even more weapons.

Russia has no plans for any offensive and there really is only bad times from here on out. At least the Kremlin extended the grain deal again!

Shoigu and Gerasimov should be hanged.


Some must-reads for folks here interested in some objective analyses of Kremlin inner politics and likely progression of the war from here on out:
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Shoigu and Gerasimov should be hanged.
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Mr. Girkin, please sit and have this salo and vodka, you'll feel better.

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Hungarian news outlets say they attacked and had a whole lot of 5-7 vehicles.
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At least holhols finally admitted to being Russian, albeit drastically reduced discount Russians, 7-1 on sale now!
 
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Leakage Current said:
The radiation from DU is negligible. You'll suffer the usual heavy metal toxicity effects long before radiation even begins to matter.

You've inhaled more lead in your lifetime than you'll ever inhale U238 in a warzone that's actively using it.
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I don't think that applies when an explosion pulverizes the DU into dust that gets blown up into the atmosphere.
 
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It's unethical to use depleted uranium when fighting abroad. It's moronic to use it domestically.

Even the USA, who love depleted uranium, use wolfram ammunition for training, even though the ballistics are subtly different, because they know better than to litter with uranium. Yeah it's only mildly radioactive and you can handle it every day for decades with zero ill effects, but inhaling or ingesting it is still quite deleterious for your health in a way that wolfram isn't. Alpha particles become a genuine danger when emitted already inside your body, and that's ignoring the fact that some of the uranium will decay into thorium and protactinium isotopes, which are beta radiators that can cause serious damage even without ingestion. A dust cloud is basically the worst case scenario for depleted uranium munitions, and I'm only grateful Stribog chose to let the west enjoy the fruits of their gifts.
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
That's how Russia is able to hold so many Ukranian areas with so few troops: the residents want them there. If there was opposition the Russians would need an occupying force 10x larger. Ukranians are the ones intentionally killing civilians, not the Russians.
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Tbh the glorious irony is that the men of fighting age that could have taken potshots out of their window were already recruited either voluntarily or forcefully, basically cutting off any resistance in those areas. I genuinely feel like if Ukraine had just allowed large areas to operate under guerilla tactics then Bakmut would have been Russia's personal Vietnam. Do you bomb a residential building with a solitary sniper in it? The optics are horrific.

Plus when you really get down to it, do you, a civilian REALLY want to die after taking out a solider or two? I'm genuinely confused how the entire logistics of Bakmut worked in the first place, because surely schools and restaurants and shopping centres couldn't operate while under heavy fire so how exactly were any of the remaining civilians even getting resources? I get life goes on during wartime but any sane person would have got the fuck out of the area the moment Russians were on the outskirts.
 
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