Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[draggs]

So does that make Greenwald a widow or a widower?

I couldn't watch more than a few minutes. GG treats the Russia-Ukraine conflict as a purely American war which the U.S. initiated and sustains, spilling blood alone and against the rest of the world. This is particularly wild since the U.S. is not even a party to the war but only offering support, and from the outset condemnation of the invasion was extremely wide. The U.N. votes are all lopsided against Russia, with even China and India voting for the recent "cooperation" resolution which condemns Russian aggression.

Maybe he believes European countries are American vassals who take orders from Washington. But ask anyone in eastern Europe who once lived under Moscow rule whether they want Russian hegemony back, and you'll get few takers.

Perhaps the strangest part was "we're focused on this insane and pointless war over who rules eastern Ukraine" so that the U.S. misses out on other international developments. GG more than anyone should realize the sheer scale of the American military and foreign policy apparatus, which can easily pursue multiple goals at once.

It's just endless rationalizations covering up their tired old Soviet-inspired anti-US ideology, because saying "Commie agitprop worked on us" is not only discrediting but gets boring quick

 

[Uranus Pink]

While on the subject for all the talk of World War III that's about to happen, yet not once I've seen a list of countries willing to fight under Russia's command. While Ukraine haves Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Baltics, Poland, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania and England to fight along them assuming the United States not available for actual combat.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

GG ignores anyone who asks questions about his position. I've been on the internet a long time and when people don't clarify their positions, it's because they don't want you to know them. GG and others have an axe to grind. Is it a justified reason, maybe, but taking it out on Ukraine is not the answer and GG is a real shitbag. Anyone with ties to the region knows how utterly disingenuous he is being (as well as others like Tucker Carlson).

Most telling is his appeals towards fanning the flames and stuff never have to do with anything happening on the Russian side. It's always gotta be the attacked party that has to back down. These people are cowards and their agenda is so naked, who falls for it?

While on the subject for all the talk of World War III that's about to happen, yet not once I've seen a list of countries willing to fight under Russia's command. While Ukraine haves Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Baltics, Poland, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania and England to fight along them assuming the United States not available for actual combat.

Belarus might get there but it's not popular with the average person at all.

 

[Foltest]

Why would any country want to fight with Russia?
What can they offer that NATO and the west can't?
Russia doesn't see you as an equal partner. you are either a subject or an enemy.

 

[WhiteNight]

Russia's closest ally Belarus still won't send its own troops, although if Luka doesn't survive his latest trip to Moscow then all bets are off. Other allies? Iran? They're not so much friends as making a killing selling low-tech drones which the world's 2nd superpower can't manufacture on its own. North Korea? Probably the same but with ammo, with a touch of enemy-of-my-enemy.

GG ignores anyone who asks questions about his position. I've been on the internet a long time and when people don't clarify their positions, it's because they don't want you to know them. GG and others have an axe to grind. Is it a justified reason, maybe, but taking it out on Ukraine is not the answer and GG is a real shitbag. Anyone with ties to the region knows how utterly disingenuous he is being (as well as others like Tucker Carlson).

Greenwald seems most similar to leftists from a generation ago who believed every bad thing in the world is America's fault. (Today's leftists fixate on intersectionality and race and no longer care about this.) If two countries somewhere get into a fight, it's clearly because Washington is playing them off each other for its own benefit. Other countries have no agency of their own. It's analogous to how black crime is always somehow white people's fault.

Thus, the American Empire must have provoked or forced Russia to invade Ukraine, and is deliberately keeping the war going to feed the military-industrial complex (or whatever). The war could be over tomorrow if the U.S. decided to allow it, but no it's profitable to keep it up. If you're dumb enough to believe all this, then GG's analyses start making sense.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Russia's closest ally Belarus still won't send its own troops, although if Luka doesn't survive his latest trip to Moscow then all bets are off.

If Putin offs Luka then the Belarusian military and people will fight against Russia. As much as they hate Luka, he still politically outmaneuvered Putin all this time in keeping Belarusians from being thrown in the woodchipper. Which had been the only reason Luka haven't already been ousted by either the people or the military.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

Belarus might get there but it's not popular with the average person at all.

Why would any country want to fight with Russia?

Russia's closest ally Belarus still won't send its own troops, although if Luka doesn't survive his latest trip to Moscow then all bets are off.

If Putin offs Luka then the Belarusian military and people will fight against Russia.

> be belarus
> half of all exports are to russia
> half of all imports are from russia
> leader is buddies with putin
> involved in numerous treaties, agreements etc with russia
> arguably Russia's closest ally
> votes in favor of russia at UN (shit source but it is what it is)
> even lets russian troops enter the country to invade ukraine
> still not sending troops to ukraine

And even if they did? What good would they do? Their GDP per capita is by some estimates 2/3 that of Russia. Their armed forces are equipped with soviet-era equipment. And I'm sure their modernization programs are equally or less effective than Russia's. And what about their training? I'm sure the average Belarusian soldier isn't a superman by any metric

 

[Ghostse]

While on the subject for all the talk of World War III that's about to happen, yet not once I've seen a list of countries willing to fight under Russia's command. While Ukraine haves Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Baltics, Poland, Czechia, Bulgaria, Romania and England to fight along them assuming the United States not available for actual combat.

Very possibly you'd see the *stans side with Russia to some degree; it'd be more strategically viable to keep them "Neutral-leaning-Russia" and providing a buffer than opening a new front. I'm not up on Mongolian politics, but I wouldn't rule them out if the deal is sweet enough.
Belarus. North Korea.

China and India would be in there, profiteering.

There is a non-zero chance of Venezuela and Cuba throwing in for Russia like Argentina did for the Nazis. But I'd give it maybe 3:1 odds; Maduro is currently taking the life line fate has thrown him and being a good boy.

Russia's closest ally Belarus still won't send its own troops, although if Luka doesn't survive his latest trip to Moscow then all bets are off. Other allies? Iran? They're not so much friends as making a killing selling low-tech drones which the world's 2nd superpower can't manufacture on its own. North Korea? Probably the same but with ammo, with a touch of enemy-of-my-enemy.

North Korea already effectively sells its citizens as slaves to China; said exported Norks are 100% for getting sold like this because while being worked like dogs, they at least get fed.

So I don't see any reason Kimmy wouldn't sell his citizens to Russia especially given that if there's a real war on, Russia is going to ignore all international export bans on transfers to NK.

 

[CuzinEd]

Did anyone hear anything about Ukraine hitting something inside Russia with a Storm Shadow? I thought I saw a video about it yesterday.

How are you guys doing this late weekend?
I'm leaving you with something fun to read. If you have the willpower, read the whole thing, the beginning is impossible to tell if it's written by some MAGA isolationist, 1488 anime enjoying Russiaboo, or mega tankie.
Gotta have some laughs too.
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More fun can be found in Glenn Greenwald's video here:

https://rumble.com/v2q7soy-system-update-show-89.html

Glenn didn't take any break from his "husband"'s death; dunking on the US and seething about Ukraine simply cannot wait.
Segment starts around 30:00.
Included is an embrace of thirldworldism, India/Brazil/China/Africa being the new kids on the block, US reeking of colonialism to the stunningly brave anti-Racist leadership of South Africa, truly a country to be emulated, and general Kremlin propaganda, almost word by word taken from Russia's best.
Crazy fucking planet, but please do have a good laugh.

If it's anything pro Russian it wouldn't be written by anyone that is MAGA. Most Trump supporters aren't pro Russian. They just don't support the US dumping money and weapons into Ukraine. I know to some people there isn't much difference. But there is. Isolationists are usually concerned with more domestic issues. Not really policing the world. The 1488 wignat crowd usually go around calling Trump Zion Don and claiming he didn't build a wall and did more for Israel than America. Which aren't true. They generally aren't MAGA people.

I read a little of it and it's probably some cope shit by some vatnigger.

 

[mindlessobserver]

GG ignores anyone who asks questions about his position. I've been on the internet a long time and when people don't clarify their positions, it's because they don't want you to know them. GG and others have an axe to grind. Is it a justified reason, maybe, but taking it out on Ukraine is not the answer and GG is a real shitbag. Anyone with ties to the region knows how utterly disingenuous he is being (as well as others like Tucker Carlson).

GG and Tucker seem to be that brand of contrarian we see over in the cope thread. "Whatever the Washington Elite are for, I am against!" Their opposition to supporting Ukraine is less about supporting Russia then it is thumbing their nose at the uniparty. It's always a counter productive mindset. Nobody is wrong about EVERYTHING, and being an obsessive contrarian eventually comes off as cringe and annoying to the casual observers you will need on your side if you want to win. Much of the support for Russia in the west is less about how much the supporters like Russia and more about how much they hate their own domestic political situation.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

IIRC @Pocket Dragoon worked in logistics during his service so I'm sure he'll have some stuff to chime in with.

There's a remarkable number of ex-military people in this thread.... NATO glowop confirmed?

GG and Tucker seem to be that brand of contrarian we see over in the cope thread. "Whatever the Washington Elite are for, I am against!" Their opposition to supporting Ukraine is less about supporting Russia then it is thumbing their nose at the uniparty. It's always a counter productive mindset. Nobody is wrong about EVERYTHING, and being an obsessive contrarian eventually comes off as cringe and annoying to the casual observers you will need on your side if you want to win. Much of the support for Russia in the west is less about how much the supporters like Russia and more about how much they hate their own domestic political situation.

Don't forget "I just feel bad for the poor Ukies who are being sacrificed under NATO's heel" and then the next post is cheering on missile strikes.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Don't forget "I just feel bad for the poor Ukies who are being sacrificed under NATO's heel" and then the next post is cheering on missile strikes.

It's 100% proven with historical evidence that unless the US meddles in Russia's neighborhood, Russia never invades anyone and never annexes anything.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Did anyone hear anything about Ukraine hitting something inside Russia with a Storm Shadow? I thought I saw a video about it yesterday.

Everything that hits the ground and explodes now is going to be a Storm Shadow, just like with HIMARS. And Russians have been shooting a lot of missiles at anything & everything lately, so no doubt many of them fail to hit or self-destruct properly; or do that Return To Sender thing that their missiles like to do. It's a lot easier to blame errant SAMs on Storm Shadow, or ATACMS when/if Ukraine gets it, nevermind that villagers will post the wreckage with serial numbers to Telegram in minutes.

 

[Jewthulhu]

The real mistake was not fixing their logistics issues despite having done a wargames dress rehersal right before the invasion. If Russian armor had actually been moving and engaging, the opening blitzkrieg would have worked. Ukraine had made preparations but no one ,not even the Russians, were ready for the balloon to actually go up when it did.
The next mistake was, yes, not capitalizing on their gains and Eurocuck cuckery to push for """""""""'good faith"""""""""""" negotiations.

There's a good article pre-invasion that went over Russian logistics and more or less concluded a blitzkrieg-like attack couldn't be sustained by Russia without multiple significant operational pauses. This was based on a Baltic scenario, which is not a perfect 1:1 representation, but the failures in logistics is basically what we saw in the opening days.
I've probably shared this before, but it's a great article so I'll shill it again.

That sounds similar to the Catholic practice regarding devotional images, although I'd argue an Icon is much more than that theologically vs. even a blessed devotional image or sculpture. More similar to a saint's relic, the sale of which is expressly forbidden under the CCC.

Orthodox dogma holds Icons as "windows into heaven;" they're basically seen as a portal to whatever event or Saint is depicted. When we venerate an Icon, we're directly venerating the saint or event depicted. That's why they're so important to Orthodoxy, to the point where we have a feast in the middle of Lent to celebrate the defeat of iconoclasm.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This is pretty interesting, a Ukrainian 40mm micro-mortar:

 

[teriyakiburns]

This is pretty interesting, a Ukrainian 40mm micro-mortar:

High quality 40mm slamfire shotgun.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

This is pretty interesting, a Ukrainian 40mm micro-mortar:
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Spicy dildo, this is what reddit trannies are up to in Ukrainian trenches!
Jokes aside, one could easily confuse it for some sort of fireworks device.

Don't forget "I just feel bad for the poor Ukies who are being sacrificed under NATO's heel" and then the next post is cheering on missile strikes.

Because you see comrade, Russian rockets might fall on Ukrainian heads, but it's US that they actually hurt!
Honestly, wish these russiaboo faggots would stop robbing Ukrainians of their agency.

 

[Pork Packer]

Finally got a decent connection back to announce that in two days we will have officially left spring.

Meaning that the total gains of Russia's Winter and Spring offensives has been

- One Salt Mine (slightly used)
- One town/small city which had a population smaller than Grand Forks North Dakota

All of which resulted in casualties great enough to incite multiple near mutinies and spawn its own subreddit of dead and dying russian soldier footage and material losses so dire russia is pulling shit that was designed while Hitler was still breathin and sneeding out to throw at the front lines, and the latter of which took them the best part of a year after declaring imminent victory for them to grind control of after the entire place was slowly levelled, at which point they came to a dead stop once again

Also russia appears to now be subject to regular raiding parties across its borders, and given the lack of loudly trumpeted footage of sekrit ukrainian counter offensive forces with their shiny new Challenger/Leopard/Abrams/Bradly tonkys being wiped out en masse by superior #based and #rugged russian tech and training, im guessing we are in for a rather interesting summer

 

[WhiteNight]

Perhaps you've heard of the dust-up involving Lindsey Graham, the Republican senator from South Carolina who recently met with Zelenskyy. Here's the story as of now.

This clip went viral with Graham saying, "And the Russians are dying. It's the best money we've ever spent."

This seemingly bloodthirsty comment did not go over well with many people, including domestically. Russia in particular threw a tantrum. First, Margarita Simonyan, head of RT, more or less implied Graham should be assassinated, since "we have his address":

https://www.thedailybeast.com/head-of-rt-margarita-simonyan-calls-for-lindsey-grahams-assassination-after-edited-russia-comments

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And Russia issued a meaningless warrant for his arrest for "Russophobic statements":

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/29/russia-issues-arrest-warrant-for-us-senator-lindsey-graham-a81316

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But, wouldn't you know it, it turns out that the above clip is two sentences spliced together from different parts of the conversation, and aren't even in the right order. Here's a larger continuous clip with both sentences, where the "money spent" is simply for supporting Ukraine:

Congratulations, Russia, you played yourself.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I mean, the fucker isn't wrong. The Ukraine war has been the best thing to happen for US Foreign Policy since the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. I'm not shocked at all they are yucking it up in DC right now. Putin has done more in the past year to shore up Americas flailing strategic position then any other person on the planet bar none. Beijing has to be absolutely seething right now.