Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

Borrowed from the Fujoshi Circus thread
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speculation: A lot of this doughy awkward subset of pooners don't get "dysphoria" from wanting to be a dood as much as they don't feel they can achieve being a pretty girl. Most women after high school start actually living life and get over the fact that they will never be above a 5 but these chicks can't let it go for whatever reason. They also believe that men are more "allowed" to be plain and ugly.

A counterpart to the mtfs who feel they failed as men if you will.
 
speculation: A lot of this doughy awkward subset of pooners don't get "dysphoria" from wanting to be a dood as much as they don't feel they can achieve being a pretty girl. Most women after high school start actually living life and get over the fact that they will never be above a 5 but these chicks can't let it go for whatever reason. They also believe that men are more "allowed" to be plain and ugly.

A counterpart to the mtfs who feel they failed as men if you will.
I was gonna say 36" chest isn't crazy at all, that's just a size L. But that's irrelevant...
She knows she's chubby, average-below average, but instead of working out consistently and stop ordering 600cal frappercino, she just chop offs the tits and gets on T. It's a thing for anachans to not want tits or even hip bones, because it's "fat," I wonder if this lady was thinking along those lines. She wants to be skinnier, but since any and all exercise and diet will result in anorexia in every single case, it's better to get on the men's "lean and muscly" hormones and cut off tits. Welp, none of the pooner on T I observe, besides the perpetual anachan, got more shapely after. They all became extremely broad and refrigerater-y.
 
Fat activism leads to people thinking their weight is immutable and that dieting doesn't work, troon activism makes people think transitioning is no big deal, so now people are fat troons. Great Job!

Being a doughy nerd is fixed by cleaning up your stupid junkfood diet. If you want actual muscles you need to work out, and you really should anyway. Instead of that, we act like not eating shit or moving around is somehow more of an undertaking than surgery and a lifetime HRT & post surgical complications.
 
Recently i have been rather optimistic, you see way more blatantly anti-trans content on social media, even on instagram and youtube. Especially with detransitioners, but there are also a lot rather farm-esque contents. 1-2 years back these would be deleted instantly, but now they are staying up. Many of them are just screencap of news articles or trans media, with normies being absolutely abhorred by what they are seeing. For example that Dutch guy who died during surgery, Jazz Jenning's mom talking about forcing him to dilate, and Dutch TV show of freaks exposing themselves to kids. Not only the content is similar people's reactions are quite the same too, literally what we say here all day, modern Mengele, all these doctors and people involved should be executed, etc.

This year specifically I've been seeing normie white mom contents seething and mocking Target for their pride contents. You used to only see snarky gay men making fun of how unfashionable the design is, but now it's normal women with a family bashing them specifically for it being gay-op. They don't care that homos are involved, even homophobia is a sin on the same level of anti-semitism in 1930s germany. These women also don't seem like they are (or used to be) staunch Evangelical conservatives. The more surprising part might be the social medias are gradually allowing these kind of stuff to remain on the platforms.
 
Recently i have been rather optimistic, you see way more blatantly anti-trans content on social media, even on instagram and youtube. Especially with detransitioners, but there are also a lot rather farm-esque contents. 1-2 years back these would be deleted instantly, but now they are staying up. Many of them are just screencap of news articles or trans media, with normies being absolutely abhorred by what they are seeing. For example that Dutch guy who died during surgery, Jazz Jenning's mom talking about forcing him to dilate, and Dutch TV show of freaks exposing themselves to kids. Not only the content is similar people's reactions are quite the same too, literally what we say here all day, modern Mengele, all these doctors and people involved should be executed, etc.

This year specifically I've been seeing normie white mom contents seething and mocking Target for their pride contents. You used to only see snarky gay men making fun of how unfashionable the design is, but now it's normal women with a family bashing them specifically for it being gay-op. They don't care that homos are involved, even homophobia is a sin on the same level of anti-semitism in 1930s germany. These women also don't seem like they are (or used to be) staunch Evangelical conservatives. The more surprising part might be the social medias are gradually allowing these kind of stuff to remain on the platforms.
Encountered an employee training seminar for a large organization that focused on retaining the goodwill and business of clients who were alienated by awkward LGBT propaganda in the business. Two years ago this seminar would have been about "protecting your BIPOC genderqueer coworkers from bigoted clients who make fun of signage referring to persons with prostates" but this year it's about how to make the alienated client feel more comfortable and forgive the company for imposing on him with bullshit.

Subtle but fascinating.
 
I think the online trans movement since 2015 can be thought of as part of the fallout of the subculture war between two groups of YouTubers: the "YouTube atheists" and the "libfems".

Many of the YouTube atheists seemed to suffer from extreme black-and-white thinking, assuming that all Christians believed in a literal, 6-day creation in which the dinos simply couldn't fit on the ark. Many also would point to neuroscience as conclusive disproof of the soul (ignoring possibilities like a soul that controls the brain, or that contains a "backup" of it) – or argue that the default atheistic position is soullessness or positive materialism. Their dominant philosophy seemed to be left-libertarian, and they generally had positive opinions on abortion and gay marriage. They generally would advocate for highly literal communication, constantly correct people on things that weren't even conclusively proven, and act like being wrong is the end of the world. They also tended to have pop-science informed views on men and women, of course rooted in biology, yet from a branch pruned in such a way to result in the juiciest article.

A lot of these YT atheists' video formats were mostly polemic responses to fundamentalist or religious-right youtubers. But as evolution deniers died down in popularity even among the religious right, many of these 'tubers turned to feminist 'tubers for cannon fodder. A lot of them were antifeminist, and from there, we got the Nat Stewarts of the world... leading the way for a.... less literal approach almost opposite that of the YouTube Atheists.
 
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Cross-posted from the detransing/desisting thread. This is probably the better thread to post this in. I have a question.

First off, IANAPsych. In my state (unlike others such as Cali), licensed mental-health professionals cannot lose their licenses if they don't (if they refuse to) simply affirm whatever troon gender-confusion delusions their patients/clients come in with. MHPs are supposed to exercise their professional judgment with each individual case, because duh!

But I am hearing a lot about psychologists (just Ph.D psychologists -- not psychiatrists, LPSWs, etc) claiming that they still have to affirm in all cases or lose their ability to practice. But what I understand they're really talking about is not having the state board yeet their licenses, but rather about being excommunicated from their private (i.e. non-government) credentialing organisations. No longer having the designation of a fellow or diplomate or whatever the fuck. Losing letters after their names essentially. And on the face of it, one (I) might easily conclude that they'd rather risk losing their state licenses to practice by not providing individual care just so that they don't get turfed out by their professional orgs.

Can anyone speak intelligently and from an informed position on what, if what all I'm being told is accurate, seems to be a bit batty? Thanks in advance.
 
Since I've seen @AssignedEva's post in Tranny Sideshow thread, I could resonate with it because I also had a similar experience
but I didn't wanted to derail the Tranny sideshow thread, so I'm posting it here.

Recently, one thing I realized about normies that support tranny shit even when they're shown the most abnormal things about it, they operate under two mentalities.

First mentality is "I support this thing and will purposefully ignore the damage it causes to other groups, because I AM not personally affected by it" (Usually seen with """men""" that support tranny shit) , the second mentality is "I will support this thing even if was proven multiple times this thing causes damage and can hurt me" (usually seen with handmaidens).

As for the conversation I had, we were talking about trans ""women"" in female spaces, I pulled no punches and
said "If you have a dick, you don't belong in women spaces, period." This statement brought the attention of the main
tranny supporter, who then said totally valid rebuttals such as:

"Well, I think women wouldn't be comfortable if someone like Buck Angel was forced to use a female restroom because their biological gender was female" and "If I was trans I wouldn't do post-op surgery because that's scary and I wouldn't want my penis to be inverted" (What the fuck who says something like this) ;

Except these arguments are easily countered:
1. Women are not dealing with Buck Angels in their spaces, they're dealing with autogynephiles who know that unlike Buck Angel, absolutely don't pass and despite that demand to be in women's spaces, get off when they're in it, because they know they're in front of vulnerable women.
2. Boo hoo, nigga! You insist on this delusion of being a woman, then commit to it to the end. If you dysphoria is so hecking painful and anything male on you makes you feel uncomfortable, then surely you don't have an issue removing that part, right?

But what was the most mind boggling thing aside from that tranny worshipper, was a woman in the conversation who
openly spoke up about her experience being sexually abused by a man openly going "I wouldn't mind sharing a space with trans women"
until I said that if someone has a dick they don't belong in women's spaces, then saying "Well actually the idea of that makes me uncomfortable".

This also made me realize how it's frustrating to talk to normies about this, especially when you give them these moments of clarity, even when they know the reality of things (woman knowing she wouldn't be comforntable with someone who has a dick in a female space, the tranny worshipper knowing that inverted flayed dicks are a one way ticket to making your life miserable) but still choosing to support it.
 
Why isn't Jim sterling here? Is it cause he's only popping pills and hasn't gotten a titular stinkditch installed yet?
 
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Because Jim Sterling was a lolcow prior to him trooning out. True that his troonism has taken the front seat in recent time especially during Hogwarts Legacy fiasco, however, the main source of his cowdom is his inability to take criticism, having a literal reddit mindset (i.e. him comparing IRL situations to game company/industry controversies) and him blaming everybody but himself for his audience leaving him.

While Jim does wish and even pushes the narrative that his audience is leaving him because they are just evil transphobes that can't stand him blossoming into a kween, that's far from the truth, people left because he's not fun anymore, constantly uses buzz words and desperately wrasslin' shit.
 
Why isn't Jim sterling here? Is it cause he's only popping pills and hasn't gotten a titular stinkditch installed yet?
In addition to what Inside your walls said, Jim's career is funnier than the trans facts alone. Even without the trans part he was amusing enough to keep the thread going without TotalBiscut, and it's mostly his poor business descisions, lazy production, bad takes, dumping too much of his interest and fetishes into his video game videos, and general bitchiness with no spine that make him funny. The trans thing was just the push, the only difference is that Jim now has wigs on. Awful outfits, overblown ego masking self hatred, contempt for his audience, hatred of people who disagreee with him, too much politics, going offtopic on his sperg interest, repetition... all of that was around even before he officially started taking hormones. The first thing I think of when I think of Jim usually isn't trans but FAT, poor impulse control, failing career online and wrestling, twitter arguments, etc.. He's really tried to make trans part of himself but it's not like it changed that much, just uglier outfits. He's even been forward with fetishes and dildos back in the early 2010s.
 
One thing that's been bothering me a lot about troons lately is the truscum/transmedicalist part of the gender cult. There's a lot of variance in their criteria for what makes someone "actually trans", but their entire ideology usually boils down to "I don't like something this troon has done so they're not a troon while I am actually a troon and you're being transphobic to me if you acknowledge that person as a troon". Usually transmeds take shots at the troons who are grifters, controversial, obvious sexual degenerates, non-medically-transitioned/non-passing, or ramble about inane gender microlabels, which makes the transmeds seem reasonable to normies who take issue with the more blatantly ridiculous parts of the gender cult. However, transmeds are every bit as dangerous, unreasonable, and cultish as the "tucutes" they try to say aren't troons.

First, many transmeds genuinely believe they have brains of the opposite sex, even though what they refer to as having a "mismatched neurological sex" is usually homosexuality or early-onset gender non-conformity which they were shamed for, as well as trauma that would cause them to dissociate. They don't account for neuroplasticity either. Transmeds also believe that their troonism is a medical condition caused by this mismatched brain sex, even though a medical condition's effects would mainly be physical, not psychological, and this "being trans is a medical condition" nonsense has gotten an actual medical condition, DSDs, lumped into the alphabet soup as a meaningless identity troons can claim and use to validate themselves. The "neurological" sex stuff also leads many transmeds to support trooning out children/teenagers and puberty blockers, which is abusive and harmful towards children. The "sex is a social construct" belief is pushed hard by many transmeds. They believe they can literally become the opposite sex (hence why so many refer to themselves as "transsex" or "transsexual") because they believe that all that matters is whether or not they are perceived as the opposite sex by normies, sexual partners, and the government and that if they are, they have crossed over to living as the opposite sex and, for all intents and purposes, are the opposite sex.

Finally, transmeds try to gatekeep troonism from troons they dislike. The troons they like to "gatekeep" behaviour that can be instantly pointed out as illogical, dangerous, and predatory. Transmeds say "if they were actually trans they wouldn't do this bad thing", which implies that troons are by default good people -- a very cultish belief that casts the troons the transmeds don't like as "cis appropriators of a medical condition who are hurting actual trans people", which reinforces the lies that "transphobia" is real and that "cis" is a label that includes bad people while troons wouldn't hurt a fly because they're supposedly oppressed.
 
One thing that's been bothering me a lot about troons lately is the truscum/transmedicalist part of the gender cult. There's a lot of variance in their criteria for what makes someone "actually trans", but their entire ideology usually boils down to "I don't like something this troon has done so they're not a troon while I am actually a troon and you're being transphobic to me if you acknowledge that person as a troon".

There's a fair bit of variation in what transmeds actually believe, but there is a core thread binding them together: the belief that gender dysphoria is an inborn condition for which transitioning is the cure, and having dysphoria is required in order for someone to be "actually trans", as opposed to most modern troons who claim that being transgender is a matter of self-identification and nothing more. Transmedicalism used to be the predominant trans ideology until the troon explosion in the mid-2010s - notice how you never hear the phrase "born in the wrong body" anymore.

Nowadays, the ideology attracts troons who believe that the "trenders" are making light of their medical condition and harming their reputation. In their mind, faking transgenderism is like faking cancer.

As you said, transmedicalism is no less unreasonable or harmful than regular gender ideology, and in some ways it's worse. They believe that true trannies have the brain of the opposite sex, despite there being zero scientific evidence of this. Truscum troons in particular have a colossal victim complex and see themselves as poor helpless sick people whose rights are literally being eroded by the evil tucute trenders. They still insist transition is the best cure for dysphoria and do all the suicide baiting shit.

Despite transmeds being hated by the trans community at large, they're really the same as regular trannies, except slightly more concerned with being palatable to normies. Sometimes troons will even borrow from transmed ideology when they're trying to push experimental medical treatments onto children, or if the self-ID angle becomes incovenient.

(Something of note relating to the truscum community is that it's made up of mostly TIFs, in stark constrast to other Twitter/Reddit trans spaces. I think this is because it's the only place that excludes the unabashed male fetishists.)
 
I like transmeds because they at least try to impose some goddamn gatekeeping. Even if it's being forcefully excommunicated or disowned by the church of true trans ™️ it's incredibly fucking funny to see a person of gender call another person of gender fake, and the transmed's commitment to actually transition is mildly more admirable than the ones who throw on their wig and do nothing.

I rather deal with them because more medical studies are coming out and halting their activities. They'll protest, but it's easier to say to normies "the science says they're wrong" and to eventually MAYBE make a few transmeds realize it too, I'm not holding out hope. Gendertrenders are a belief system you don't need to be born into and are more kin to a spreadable religion since it can apply to anyone.

In general, someone who's trans meeting someone who's crazier than them AND trans finally realizing there is some merrit to the claim that some people are faking/fetishists is the most hilarious shit befause then they have to tiptoe the fuck around it or keep hard denying it. It's just funny.
 
I like transmeds because they at least try to impose some goddamn gatekeeping. Even if it's being forcefully excommunicated or disowned by the church of true trans ™️ it's incredibly fucking funny to see a person of gender call another person of gender fake, and the transmed's commitment to actually transition is mildly more admirable than the ones who throw on their wig and do nothing.

Transmeds might still be delusional but at least they're ideologically consistent, and although they tend to be whiny and self-pitying, they have a mostly intact sense of shame which goes a long way. I honestly wish there were more high-profile transmeds, because there is no greater bitchfit than the one thrown by a terminally online troon who just got their infinite asspats license revoked by another trans person. That inspires a level of rage unmatched by even TERFs.

I rather deal with them because more medical studies are coming out and halting their activities. They'll protest, but it's easier to say to normies "the science says they're wrong" and to eventually MAYBE make a few transmeds realize it too, I'm not holding out hope.

They're easier to deal with for sure, but it's not like their ideology was really based on science to begin with, and they're very protective of their trans status because of their need to be more trans than everyone else. When confronted with evidence to the contrary, they often claim "well, the human brain is really complex and maybe we haven't found the actual cause yet". If there was a way to conclusively prove the origins of gender dysphoria they might change their minds.

For my money, the easiest troons to deprogram are the 4chan variety cause of their relatively high self-awareness and less hugboxy nature. A lot of them are severely mentally ill though and doomed to destroy themselves one way or another. Also, some of them are incels who know what they're doing and don't care.
 

Current Concerns About Gender-Affirming Therapy in Adolescents

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Purpose of Review​

Results of long-term studies of adult transgender populations failed to demonstrate convincing improvements in mental health, and some studies suggest that there are treatment-associated harms. The purpose of this review is to clarify concerns about the rapid proliferation of hormonal and surgical care for the record numbers of youth declaring transgender identities and seeking gender reassignment procedures.

Recent Findings​

Systematic reviews of evidence conducted by public health authorities in Finland, Sweden, and England concluded that the risk/benefit ratio of youth gender transition ranges from unknown to unfavorable. As a result, there has been a shift from “gender-affirmative care,” which prioritizes access to medical interventions, to a more conservative approach that addresses psychiatric comorbidities and psychotherapeutically explores the developmental etiology of the trans identity. Debate about the safety and efficacy of “gender-affirming care” in the USA is only recently emerging.

Summary​

The question, “Do the benefits of youth gender transitions outweigh the risks of harm?” remains unanswered because of a paucity of follow-up data. The conclusions of the systematic reviews of evidence for adolescents are consistent with long-term adult studies, which failed to show credible improvements in mental health and suggested a pattern of treatment-associated harms. Three recent papers examined the studies that underpin the practice of youth gender transition and found the research to be deeply flawed. Evidence does not support the notion that “affirmative care” of today’s adolescents is net beneficial. Questions about how to best care for the rapidly growing numbers of gender-dysphoric youth generated an intensity of divisiveness within and outside of medicine rarely seen with other clinical uncertainties. Because the future well-being of young patients and their families is at stake, the field must stop relying on social justice arguments and return to the time-honored principles of evidence-based medicine.


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