Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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RUSSIA PUSH SOUTH OF MASYUTIVKA CAPTURING MORE FOREST; Fighting towards Dvorichna - Kupyansk Front​

 

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Betonhaus said:
I was assuming that the term "Glowie" would refer to certain groups that would certainly not be loyal to the Russian government and such, but I see what you mean.

Would that mean groups like the Pinkertons would be glowies?
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Wagner is clearly run by the Russian government with a talking head as its "leader".
They have some issues with part of the government because Russia isnt fully deep state so there still can be friction between different parts like the Army andother, more shadowy agencies.

for our american readers, its like a CIA militia "leader" bitching about the US Airforce not sending CAS to support a landing on cuba...

@Stasi done goofed quoting sry
Anyone who thinks Wagner isn't under the direct control of the MoD is extremely slow in the head. I'll leave others to speculate about the purpose of his antics but Prigozhin has zero influence militarily or politically.
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I dont think they are under controll of the MoD, I think they are controlled by some other agency. the MoD and Army normal dont have PMCs because that horrible for the chain of command, Wagner has a position that is clearly outside the chain of command of the MoD, Some other government agency having a private army is also nothing new.
 
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Feline Supremacist said:
Really? How long a time?
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Try 70 years ago in Korea, Lady. That's a long time. Ukraine and Korea hold a few similarities too is why I brought it up at all. A conflict on the other side of the world... became very unpopular among Americans... war had potential to turn nuclear. Obviously not the same but close enough to be worth noting. If you knew your history you wouldn't have needed me to clarify what I said. Then again you might not be an American in which case I apologize for mistaking you for one. Your ignorance of history resembles their's a bit.
kartofel said:
That is precisely why defending the Korean War as some kind of good thing doesn't make sense.
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The South Koreans don't seem to mind.
kartofel said:
It is like reminiscing about how nice it was when the serial killer only mugged people, but that behavior is what helped him on his path to become what he is today.
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A better analogy would be if say the Good Samaritan let his rescue of the man on the side of the road go to his head and went off trying to "save" everyone from harm only to end up creating endless problems for himself.
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Sure, it was probably the least bs of the "conflicts", but it is still fundamentally a violation of how our government is supposed to function, and directly contributed to the present problem we find ourselves in with Ukraine.
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I'd argue more but I sorta agree with the spirit of your sentiments so I'll leave it at this.
 
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Michael Wade said:
Also word is NATO is trying some aggressive random shit in Transnistria? Their aggressiveness is not encouraging Russia to back down, far from it. Im told that if things get much worse the Russians will have to use nukes to DEESCLATE the situation. Because the attitude that they cant or wont use nukes is going to embolden Nato into doing something absolutely retarded.
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I actually posted about this yesterday. There were numerous reports of the Moldovan president allegedly allowing Ukraine to use it's territory to attack Russia. Presumably to go for transnitria and on from there. If this is what you're referring to this has now been denied. I wouldn't say it was necessarily untrue when reported but the absolute retardation of the idea may have settled in.



Sorry if I missed someone posting about it but apparently Kadyrov and the boys (akhmat battalion I believe) were sent to support marinka. In a couple of days they have reportedly captured 70% of the city. It was not reported what percentage RF regulars held when they showed up but apparently huge progress there very quickly.
 
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Romeo said:
Sorry for being very late on this, but Mikhail Mizintsev was Deputy Minister of Defense in command of logistics in the timeframe where Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin kept talking about Wagner PMC having a "lack of ammunition." Since it was Mizintsev's responsibility to handle these issues, you can make a connection that Mizintsev is withholding ammunition to give to the Wagnerites because Prigozhin won't shut up about it, and hence, the Russian MoD sacked Mizintsev.

Here is where things get really weird. For such an opponent of Wagner, Mizintsev still got hired by Wagner Group PMC to be one of their commanders in the military company. Wagner PMC units also gave Mizintsev a tour around Bakhmut after they fully captured it. Maybe it wasn't Mizintsev's fault that the MoD withdrew ammunition and rather the fault of Minister of Defense Shoigu, but they needed a scapegoat and Mizintsev was thus let go, and hence to rub it on the MoD and Shoigu's faces, Prigozhin hired Mizintsev.
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I will post a substack blog that talks about the corruption of shoigu from russian perspective who has lived there before bailing out for usa for all places


Unfortunately is locked but basically shoigu let weapon producers to get away with shit and not rocking the boat unlike his predecessor and therefore there was a lot of fuckery at the beginning of the war.

On the other hand prigozin is a slavic boomer who is very successful and slavic boomers like to pull petty bs that will make your head hurt its essentially a message to shoigu i know what you did you piece of shit.

Also look at wagner group size now and 5-6 years ago on Wikipedia they went from 8k in 22 to 50k . And started in 2014 with 250 people. Now they own fucking gold mines in fucking sudan and running ops all over africa . Btw poke around that blog prigosin is serious threat to the retarded oligarch who just want their swiss summer house and their yachts in the Mediterranean. Right now prigosin has made his lifes mission to bury shoigu in every way he can . Hiring this guy and making him in charge of stuff that he used to do and proving himself not corrupt will make the obvious even more obvious that lack of munitions and weapons isn't some petty officer doing but top commanders and general and shoigu.

It's entertaining drama and prigosin might end up with suicided or shoigu retired. Depending who wins. Either way kiwi farms wins .
 
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Stoneheart said:
Go on to where? Transnistria is on the other side of Ukraine...
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On to attack Russian positions as I clearly stated.


And if it's still not clear. I mean they would launch attacks from a third party soil forcing Russia to either retaliate and bring a new front/country/military into the war or try their best to cope with AA or other means.
 
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What did South Korea ever make that is valuable besides phones that China can make too?

K-pop and dog burger isn't valuable.
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LCD panels and Memory/Flash storage modules I think and that's their lot. But it is a very in demand lot. Apparently a super majority of their exports are for heavy industry or just electronics components to a tune of like 30-40-ish percent?
if you own any portable device with a screen, odds are Samsung or a korean subsidy made the panel.
 
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Got Milk! said:
On to attack Russian positions as I clearly stated.
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YOu mean at those couple of hundred russians "peacekeepers" left in Transnistria?

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And if it's still not clear. I mean they would launch attacks from a third party soil forcing Russia to either retaliate and bring a new front/country/military into the war or try their best to cope with AA or other means.
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Moldova is on the other fucking side of ukraine, between Romania and Ukraine, Ukraine has nothing that can even come close to hit Russia from Moldova.
IT would also be insanely costly because the population of Transnistria is bunch of Boomer militia that will shot at everything they can hit the moment the Russian peacekeepers are gone.
 
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Stoneheart said:
Moldova is on the other fucking side of ukraine, between Romania and Ukraine, Ukraine has nothing that can even come close to hit Russia from Moldova.
IT would also be insanely costly because the population of Transnistria is bunch of Boomer militia that will shot at everything they can hit the moment the Russian peacekeepers are gone.
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When did I say it was a good idea or smart? Please show me.

You're arguing against a non existent stance. Also you clearly don't understand that Russian forces are on former Ukrainian territory that they could certainly hit from Moldova/Transnistria.

I'll break it down further. Tiraspol to Kherson is about 140 miles. Storm Shadow has an effective range closer to 160 miles. So, 160-140 is ~20 miles into Russian controlled territory. They could hit even further if they launched closer to the border. At this point, I'm assuming (for your benefit) that you aren't a mongoloid retard (although your post about Armenia says otherwise) and are just being willfully obtuse.
 
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Got Milk! said:
I'll break it down further. Tiraspol to Kherson is about 140 miles. Storm Shadow has an effective range closer to 160 miles. So, 160-140 is ~20 miles into Russian controlled territory. They could hit even further if they launched closer to the border. At this point, I'm assuming (for your benefit) that you aren't a mongoloid retard (although your post about Armenia says otherwise) and are just being willfully obtuse.
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is assuming airspace control part of that calculation?
 
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is assuming airspace control part of that calculation?
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The initial conversation was about Ukraine using Moldova to attack Russia, starting with transnistria. At the point of that post, it would be after taking full control of transnistria and then attacking Russian positions on former Ukrainian territory.

I'm assuming you're asking if Ukraine/Moldova would control the skies over the former transnistria at that point. I'd say yes*, if they were to "liberate" the territory, then that would be part of it. Otherwise, we wouldn't get past the initial hurdle (in this discussion) of them "taking control of transnistria then moving on from there". That statement was quoted as his point of contention. He asked where they'd move on to since the war is mostly occurring on the other side of the country.

*At least as well as they do in their own territory where they can currently safely launch them


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In all reality, the possibility of any of this occurring is about as high as pic related winning the war for either side. It's all theoretical speculation of something that COULD, but never would, happen.

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What am I even reading? What fucking Russian positions do people think Ukraine can attack from Moldova that they can't reach from the territory they currently hold anyway? Read a map nigga.

Poor geography comprehension aside, if anything comes flying in from Moldova on Russian positions they'll get a big boom in Kishinev in response.
 
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