Opinion Modern "Freedom" Means Being a Slave to Impulses

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Which of the following two people is more free:
  1. A drug addict.
  2. A average man who is only not a drug addict because he lives in a country where drugs are regulated or shamed in a way to make them hard to obtain.

Most modern people will have a kind of cognitive dissonance, a kind of glitch in their matrix here. In the modern view of freedom, freedom means the ability to do what you want without the government or society telling you what to do, so (1), the drug addict, should be more "free."


But at the same time, this feels wrong. (2) probably lives a better life. He is more suited to make more and better decisions. Someone addicted to drugs is highly constrained in the kind of life they have to live to fulfill their addiction.


Even extreme libertarians will probably say (2) is in a better place, but might chalk things up to (1) needing to have more discipline and they'll make up some just-so story as for why unambiguously bad drugs, or pornography, or dangerous things should be allowed anyway.


Classical freedom​

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In reality, since the Enlightenment, we have had a hobbled understanding of what "freedom" is. Enlightenment "freedom" is only the freedom to perfectly follow the whims of impulses and vices indiscriminately.


The Christian tradition​


Christians stated the classical view of freedom very clearly. Paul writes that all men are either "slaves to Christ" or "slaves to sin." The modern man wants to retort that he doesn't want to be a slave to anything, but wants to be his own master, but there is really no such thing.


One can be guided by Christ, or more generally, by consistent moral principles, restraint and forethought. Or one can abandon the pretense of morality and by definition follow his impulses to fornication, substance-abuse, and general reckless living.


These masters aren't equivalent either. Being a slave to one is nothing like being a slave to another. Slaves to sin are wrapped up into incoherent and uncontrollable behavior. Following one's sexual whims might be inconsistent and thoughtless behavior that one likes one second and is disgusted by the next. It might mean someone exploding in rage and emotion.


This "free" man, a slave to sin, is only bound by the practical consideration that he might get caught or shamed by "prudes" and that might dampen his ability to follow his inpulses more.




Impulses are not the man​

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If we look at the modern world as if it has desires and goals for us, it certainly seems like it is trying to induce as many people as possible into being slave to sin. People no long have identity in who they actually are, but in accidental preferences formed over years of impulse-seeking: their sexual fetishes, drugs of choice, their favorite TV show to consoom or their favorite music they constantly pump in their head to dampen the possibility that an original reflective thought might occur to them.


More than that, these people often can't even fathom of life without their master sins, and retort in rage when someone dares to direct them otherwise or "judge" them. They don't just have a kind of Stockholm Syndrome with sin, but they can't comprehend the fact the people are something deeper than their pleasure habits.


Control of Impulses Leads to Freedom​


However if one can constrain his impulses, he will be free to truly sit down and deliberate and make free decisions on what is best to do.


This is where true freedom begins. The concept is totally alien to the coomer, the slave to sin, because he can't even afford the mental space to think further than his constant service to sin.


To him, it is merely "me having fun," versus "some haters who are against fun."


Slaves to Vices are Slaves in General​

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If you indentify with your impulses, it's very easy to get you motivated to defend them with the same impulsivity if you are told that they are "under attack." While impulsive people might be hard to be around as individuals, they are easy to control as groups and can be herded around like unthinking sheep.


People who are reactive in politics are always the losers, and what is an impulsive life but one that is entirely reactive and therefore controllable?


The Kingly State​


With the classical understanding of freedom, the goal of social conventions, traditional morality and the good government is to increase true liberty by minimizing one's temptation to vice. People are born with some tendency to vice (original sin to Chrisitians) that can be easily made worse. The goal of normal society is to lead people away from lasciviousness and impulsive behavior. (That is clearly not the goal of the modern West, however.)


A drug addict is not free. A teenager who gets home from school everyday, closes his door and watches internet pornography is not free. A person who compulsively checks their social media feed when they wake up or are minorly bored is not free. A woman who sleeps around throughout her twenties and is left with nothing is not free. A boy who stays up late because he has to "grind" on a video game is not free.


No one can say that these people truly want what they do: no one fully consents to any impulsive behavior. This is actually why in the Catholic tradition, sins of incontinence are not as grave as deliberate sins. It's not a fair game.


Either way, the goal of the church, or a moral society and moral government generally, is to increase freedom by being a countervailing power to inborn vices.


The point of moral instruction is not to restrain man, but to make him more free by eliminating the true causes of his enslavement: his vices, his bad habits, his sexual paraphilias, his gluttony and greed.
 
1) Fuck society.
All the socialists and jokers who wanna unironically "live in a society" should shove a cactus up their ass and suck-start a shotgun.

2) Again, Darwinism.
Let the porn-addict coomers jerk themselves off into degenerate extinction.
Society A.) Buttsex is banned, but in return children go unmolested.

Society B.) Buttsex is legal, but a lot of children get molested.

Yeah its a real tough choice there pal.
 
Not sure if A makes sense, the Dar al-Islam is pretty legendary for its number of chomos.
Generally peer pressure of law leads to less victims, so it makes sense, but it doesn't guarantee children will go unmolested or victimized but it should lower the amount being victimized. There will always be individuals following a rule or law that will violate it behind the scenes but if they get caught it's their head.
 
Ok, but what about things that destroy society without killing the user after an OD? Pornography, deviant sexual lifestyles, junk food, etc.
Yes. Let's allow the government to ban eggs every other week. Who knows? Maybe those damn eggs will turn out to cause super cancer aids this study. Maybe they'll cure mental retardation the next.
 
Yes. Let's allow the government to ban eggs every other week. Who knows? Maybe those damn eggs will turn out to cause super cancer aids this study. Maybe they'll cure mental retardation the next.
Society A.) Buttsex is banned, but in return children go unmolested.


Society B.) Buttsex is legal, but a lot of children get molested.


Yeah its a real tough choice there pal.
 
Society A.) Buttsex is banned, but in return children go unmolested.


Society B.) Buttsex is legal, but a lot of children get molested.


Yeah its a real tough choice there pal.
It doesn't really work that way, though. People who molest children really don't care if buttsex is legal or not because raping children never is.
 
I'm surprised a Luke Smith post from two years ago managed to get on Articles and News. Slow news day perhaps?
 
lmao and people that think all drug use = drug abuse and addiction. It's a real boomer mentality to think all drugs are crack cocaine (or even cannabis, for that matter).
 
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Wow, it's almost as if there's a reason why throughout thousands of years of human history, virtually every group of humans have all decided that we need things like society, rulers, and laws instead of anarchy, maybe you freedom lovers should stop trying to go against human nature.

Virtually all leftists and liberals operate on the delusion that human beings in the past were primitive doo-doo heads, and that the modern man has outgrown the silly things they did in the past, or the things they knew based off of thousands of years of human experience and pattern-recognition.
 
Society A.) Buttsex is banned, but in return children go unmolested.

Society B.) Buttsex is legal, but a lot of children get molested.

Yeah its a real tough choice there pal.
If Prohibition has taught us anything, its that people will just brew up their own buttsex at home in the bathtub, anyways. Organized crime will take over the supply, and back alley buttsex speakeasy's will pop up everywhere, filled with Charlston'ing people who care more about getting one more hit of buttsex than they do the law.
 
If Prohibition has taught us anything, its that people will just brew up their own buttsex at home in the bathtub, anyways. Organized crime will take over the supply, and back alley buttsex speakeasy's will pop up everywhere, filled with Charlston'ing people who care more about getting one more hit of buttsex than they do the law.
Uh... you're aware of that bathtub troonshine keffals imports from their Brazilian friend, right?
 
Freedom in the US means you can be the biggest degenerate you can be. That's about all it means. Drugs of all kinds alcohol and any kind of perversion you can think of. No, men lusting after women and sex is not perversion. That's what they should be doing. Perversion is something that isn't normal. Like faggots trannies bestiality and pedophilia. Paying a prostitute for sex is not really perverted.
1) Fuck society.
All the socialists and jokers who wanna unironically "live in a society" should shove a cactus up their ass and suck-start a shotgun.

2) Again, Darwinism.
Let the porn-addict coomers jerk themselves off into degenerate extinction.
It really shouldn't matter to you what the "Coomers" are doing as long as they aren't bothering you. Last time I checked most people watching porn aren't really bothering anyone. They are usually at home and jerking off to porn they most likely got for free on the internet. Seeing as that anyone jerking off to porn would still be able to get an erection meaning they are young and they aren't Boomers so they know how to get porn for free. I don't see many people who watch porn being a general nuisance to society like drug addicts.

Just worry about your life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. No one likes busy body douche bags.
 
Not sure if A makes sense, the Dar al-Islam is pretty legendary for its number of chomos.

Mastery of self and struggle against passions is not a concept understood by degenerate goatfuckers or low iq retards like atheists

Generally peer pressure of law leads to less victims, so it makes sense, but it doesn't guarantee children will go unmolested or victimized but it should lower the amount being victimized. There will always be individuals following a rule or law that will violate it behind the scenes but if they get caught it's their head.
No such thing as a guarantee, but violent public execution of kid-fuckers is as close as you can get. What we have now is Cum Is Cum™ and Cum Has No Labels™ with both government, paragovernment and corporate support

If Prohibition has taught us anything, its that people will just brew up their own buttsex at home in the bathtub, anyways. Organized crime will take over the supply, and back alley buttsex speakeasy's will pop up everywhere, filled with Charlston'ing people who care more about getting one more hit of buttsex than they do the law.
Yeah, disagree. The Duterte solution takes care of all of this.


It really shouldn't matter to you what the "Coomers" are doing as long as they aren't bothering you. Last time I checked most people watching porn aren't really bothering anyone. They are usually at home and jerking off to porn they most likely got for free on the internet. Seeing as that anyone jerking off to porn would still be able to get an erection meaning they are young and they aren't Boomers so they know how to get porn for free. I don't see many people who watch porn being a general nuisance to society like drug addicts.

Just worry about your life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. No one likes busy body douche bags.
incredibly retarded take. i'm not going to bother effortposting but riddle me this: is use of pornography directly or inversely proportional to sexual abuse?
 
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The only think retarded here is all the incel faggots moral fags and fundies that have this obsession with what straight men are doing in the privacy of their own homes with free porn they got off their internet. It's retarded and cringey. Go watch some porn. You will have some fun. Alternatively go out and try to get laid. You will probably see why guys use porn. But stop sitting around worrying about what straight males are doing in the privacy of their own homes with free porn.

I have been looking at porn since I was teenager. I never abused anyone nor was I ever abused. So no, it isn't. Porn is a masturbation aid for men. Men like sex. Men are pretty much horny all the time. Women won't have sex with men whenever we want.

No one likes busy body douche bags.
 
It really shouldn't matter to you what the "Coomers" are doing as long as they aren't bothering you. Last time I checked most people watching porn aren't really bothering anyone. They are usually at home and jerking off to porn they most likely got for free on the internet. Seeing as that anyone jerking off to porn would still be able to get an erection meaning they are young and they aren't Boomers so they know how to get porn for free. I don't see many people who watch porn being a general nuisance to society like drug addicts.

Just worry about your life and stop worrying about what other people are doing. No one likes busy body douche bags.

I wonder sometimes though.

Why is it there are petabytes of porn available on the clearnet for free? Who's paying for all that bandwidth? While Youtube says it has to delete over 2 year old accounts?

Why was broadcasting porn used as a military tactic by the IDF against the Palestinians?
 
@CYKA RUSH B
The only think retarded here is all the incel faggots moral fags and fundies that have this obsession with what straight men are doing in the privacy of their own homes with free porn they got off their internet. It's retarded and cringey. Go watch some porn. You will have some fun. Alternatively go out and try to get laid. You will probably see why guys use porn. But stop sitting around worrying about what straight males are doing in the privacy of their own homes with free porn.

I have been looking at porn since I was teenager. I never abused anyone nor was I ever abused. So no, it isn't. Porn is a masturbation aid for men. Men like sex. Men are pretty much horny all the time. Women won't have sex with men whenever we want.

No one likes busy body douche bags.

fucking 80iq nigger-brained thought process.

I wonder sometimes though.

Why is it there are petabytes of porn available on the clearnet for free? Who's paying for all that bandwidth? While Youtube says it has to delete over 2 year old accounts?

Why was broadcasting porn used as a military tactic by the IDF against the Palestinians?
you're arguing with a non-white hedonist degenerate with too few braincase CCs to project thought into the future. You don't need to wonder, you are already on the right path.

edit: succinct but far from complete statement on the matter. Goes a lot deeper than this, but hopefully this helps crystallize your thought process.

 
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Is a drug addict someone who can't start a productive day without coffee in the morning?
 
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